Car Talk 5: The Juice is Loose!

[Desertbreh]

Hmm.... I mean I am on board with everything but the price. What you're getting on the Beema is somewhat irrelevant to the purchase price of the MB. Near 30k for something that will be 10k in 2 years and 30k miles seems a bit to me. Might as well lease a new M3.

The man loves old Mercs for whatever reason. I agree with you, but it is a one-of-a-kind car and we all like what we like.

Owner 1
Purchased: 2009

Low mileage! This owner drove less than the industry average of 15,000 miles per year.
Corporate Vehicle
963 mi/yr
Date
Mileage
Source
Comments
07/26/2008
10
Mercedes-Benz of Valencia
Santa Clarita, CA
661-753-5555
mbzvalencia.com

4.6

/ 5.0
21 Verified Reviews


Vehicle serviced
Pre-delivery inspection completed
01/17/2009
36
Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills
Beverly Hills, CA
310-659-2980
bhbenz.com

4.5

/ 5.0
134 Verified Reviews

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Vehicle serviced
02/03/2009
41
California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Los Angeles, CA
Odometer reading reported
Titled or registered as corporate vehicle
02/18/2009
California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Los Angeles, CA
Title issued or updated
First owner reported
01/19/2010
2,503
Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills
Beverly Hills, CA
310-659-2980
bhbenz.com

4.5

/ 5.0
134 Verified Reviews

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08/03/2010
3,221
Mercedes Of Encino
Encino, CA
818-461-3623
mbencino.com

Vehicle serviced
Maintenance inspection completed
Battery replaced
Computer(s) checked
Fluids checked
Tire condition and pressure checked
Battery/charging system checked
Electrical system checked
Oil and filter changed
Sunroof serviced
08/02/2011
4,520
Mercedes Of Encino
Encino, CA
818-461-3623
mbencino.com

Vehicle serviced
Battery replaced
Battery/charging system checked
Tire condition and pressure checked
11/04/2011
4,795
Mercedes Of Encino
Encino, CA
818-461-3623
mbencino.com

Vehicle serviced
Recommended maintenance performed
Oil and filter changed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Brakes checked
Tire condition and pressure checked
06/02/2012
5,579
Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills
Beverly Hills, CA
310-659-2980
bhbenz.com

4.5

/ 5.0
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05/15/2013
6,612
Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills
Beverly Hills, CA
310-659-2980
bhbenz.com

4.5

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09/05/2014
7,824
Mercedes-Benz of Encino
Encino, CA
818-788-0234
mbencino.com

4.8

/ 5.0
60 Verified Reviews

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171
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One tire mounted
One tire balanced
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12/09/2014
7,899
California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection
09/24/2015
8,614
Mercedes-Benz of Encino
Encino, CA
818-788-0234
mbencino.com

4.8

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60 Verified Reviews

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04/25/2016
8,852
Mercedes-Benz of Encino
Encino, CA
818-788-0234
mbencino.com

4.8

/ 5.0
60 Verified Reviews

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Four wheel alignment performed
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09/02/2016
9,122
Mercedes-Benz of Encino
Encino, CA
818-788-0234
mbencino.com

4.8

/ 5.0
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12/01/2016
9,231
California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection
05/24/2017
9,405
Mercedes-Benz of Encino
Encino, CA
818-788-0234
mbencino.com

4.8

/ 5.0
60 Verified Reviews

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01/14/2019
9,633
California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection

Owner 2
Purchased: 2019
Personal Vehicle
Date
Mileage
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Comments
11/20/2019
North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Durham, NC
Title #773515193245170
Title or registration issued
New owner reported
11/25/2019
9,807
Road Scholars
Durham, NC
919-854-2277
roadscholars.com/

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Air filter replaced
Cabin air filter replaced/cleaned
Alignment performed
Oil and filter changed
Oil pan drain plug replaced
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Brake system bled

Owner 3
Purchased: 2020
Personal Vehicle
Date
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08/14/2020
North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Cary, NC
Title #771081202275170
Title or registration issued
New owner reported
09/24/2020
North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Cary, NC
Title #771081202275170
Registration issued or renewed
08/10/2021
12,289
LW Automotive
Pittsburgh, PA
Vehicle offered for sale

Carfox is strong

[max225]

The Tessie I WANT is 135k after tax. 119k before. A regular X is 85

I am sort of hoping you end up just to hear a close account first hand of the ownership experience. It would be something different to have on the forum.

Yea believe me the finger is on the $100 deposit trigger. But I just don't want to delay my retirement by 2 years for a vehicle. Although a greatly entertaining one.

[D Griff]

I am sort of hoping you end up just to hear a close account first hand of the ownership experience. It would be something different to have on the forum.

Yea believe me the finger is on the $100 deposit trigger. But I just don't want to delay my retirement by 2 years for a vehicle. Although a greatly entertaining one.

'insert getting hit by a bus argument here'

[max225]

Yea believe me the finger is on the $100 deposit trigger. But I just don't want to delay my retirement by 2 years for a vehicle. Although a greatly entertaining one.

'insert getting hit by a bus argument here'

I did blow half a tessie on solar and a fence which are arguably useless.

[razr390]

Yea believe me the finger is on the $100 deposit trigger. But I just don't want to delay my retirement by 2 years for a vehicle. Although a greatly entertaining one.

'insert getting hit by a bus argument here'

The same argument max makes for other people when they look at boring cars instead of exciting ones?

I don’t hate Tesla and I think it would be cool to have an owner on the forum that’s not really a Elon koolaid drinker… dat being said I am of the camp that a 3 or Y + keeping the Taco is the route to take versus selling both taco and mini and adding $50k to get 1 car that might not rustle your jimmies after flooring it at every green light becomes old news

[Desertbreh]

You're talking the new Tahoe?

That's going be be a bro deal of epic proportions.

[D Griff]

How are Tessies on the depreciation front? Like has a three year old $119K Tessie depreciated like a three year old Samsung phone?

[razr390]

How are Tessies on the depreciation front? Like has a three year old $119K Tessie depreciated like a three year old Samsung phone?

I think it varies depending on the trim. One local non-Tessie dealer had a Model X from idk what year but it looked basic (small wheels, white, etc.) and they had $83k on the windshield for it.

[CaleDeRoo]

Emailed on this car.

Hnnng. So a coworker had one of these and the 5.5 has some plugs on the heads or something that can leak oil but he was an idiot and did it in his garage. If this car was dark green I'd probably die of jealousy.

[max225]

How are Tessies on the depreciation front? Like has a three year old $119K Tessie depreciated like a three year old Samsung phone?

Tessies depend.
Model 3 from 2019 is MORE expensive than a new one
Model Y from 2020 is MORE expensive than a new one

Model S from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)
Model X from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)

Model S from 2016 is about 60% of new
Model X from 2016 is about 60% of new

[Tar]

How are Tessies on the depreciation front? Like has a three year old $119K Tessie depreciated like a three year old Samsung phone?

Tessies depend.
Model 3 from 2019 is MORE expensive than a new one
Model Y from 2020 is MORE expensive than a new one

Model S from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)
Model X from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)

Model S from 2016 is about 60% of new
Model X from 2016 is about 60% of new

This article is over a year old, so I don't know what headway is made since, but I think a used Tesla buyer might be apprehensive about buying a high performance model if they could be faced with having to pay for the option to get it back if it were stripped out as per the example below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/tes ... used-cars/

I'd follow the situation to understand the used market if I were shopping any high performance versions. Maybe it was only the case for a few models accidentally equipped with features that weren't paid for,

In one case, a man bought a used 2018 Model X P100D with the $20,000 Ludicrous Mode from a Tesla dealership, only to have Tesla remove Ludicrous Mode after the sale, following another audit. A Tesla rep told the man that he didn't pay for the option.

Effectively, according to these stories, Tesla appears to be treating certain optional software as a non-transferrable. This wouldn't be unheard of — even automakers have spoken of a future where they'll upgrade or de-content vehicles after the sale to suit dealer or buyer preferences. The problem with what Tesla is supposedly doing is that the company hasn't made its software stance clear, and even Tesla reps at call centers and service centers don't know what's going on. Tesla hasn't responded to Jalopnik's questions, so we don't know the company's position. But the original article and the follow-up are worth a read, especially because what's happening could be "one of the less-considered side effects of car features moving from hardware to software."

[max225]

Tessies depend.
Model 3 from 2019 is MORE expensive than a new one
Model Y from 2020 is MORE expensive than a new one

Model S from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)
Model X from 2018 is about 90% of new. (lower end models)

Model S from 2016 is about 60% of new
Model X from 2016 is about 60% of new

This article is over a year old, so I don't know what headway is made since, but I think a used Tesla buyer might be apprehensive about buying a high performance model if they could be faced with having to pay for the option to get it back if it were stripped out as per the example below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/tes ... used-cars/

I'd follow the situation to understand the used market if I were shopping any high performance versions. Maybe it was only the case for a few models accidentally equipped with features that weren't paid for,

In one case, a man bought a used 2018 Model X P100D with the $20,000 Ludicrous Mode from a Tesla dealership, only to have Tesla remove Ludicrous Mode after the sale, following another audit. A Tesla rep told the man that he didn't pay for the option.

Effectively, according to these stories, Tesla appears to be treating certain optional software as a non-transferrable. This wouldn't be unheard of — even automakers have spoken of a future where they'll upgrade or de-content vehicles after the sale to suit dealer or buyer preferences. The problem with what Tesla is supposedly doing is that the company hasn't made its software stance clear, and even Tesla reps at call centers and service centers don't know what's going on. Tesla hasn't responded to Jalopnik's questions, so we don't know the company's position. But the original article and the follow-up are worth a read, especially because what's happening could be "one of the less-considered side effects of car features moving from hardware to software."

Yea this goes along with some of the annoying ass side effects of having a software heavy vehicle. There have been teething issues as such that were reported frequently.

It seems to be fairly minimal in the newer models, but now everyone is bitching about FSD... Full self driving was supposedly "included" in all teslas post 2018. And since then Tesla backtracked and now charges 10k or $300 a month. I wouldn't purchase FSD.

[Tar]

This article is over a year old, so I don't know what headway is made since, but I think a used Tesla buyer might be apprehensive about buying a high performance model if they could be faced with having to pay for the option to get it back if it were stripped out as per the example below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/tes ... used-cars/

I'd follow the situation to understand the used market if I were shopping any high performance versions. Maybe it was only the case for a few models accidentally equipped with features that weren't paid for,

Yea this goes along with some of the annoying ass side effects of having a software heavy vehicle. There have been teething issues as such that were reported frequently.

It seems to be fairly minimal in the newer models, but now everyone is bitching about FSD... Full self driving was supposedly "included" in all teslas post 2018. And since then Tesla backtracked and now charges 10k or $300 a month. I wouldn't purchase FSD.

That sounds pretty cut and dry, and they are better then everyone else when it comes to the software piece so it's a non-issue.

[max225]

Yea this goes along with some of the annoying ass side effects of having a software heavy vehicle. There have been teething issues as such that were reported frequently.

It seems to be fairly minimal in the newer models, but now everyone is bitching about FSD... Full self driving was supposedly "included" in all teslas post 2018. And since then Tesla backtracked and now charges 10k or $300 a month. I wouldn't purchase FSD.

That sounds pretty cut and dry, and they are better then everyone else when it comes to the software piece so it's a non-issue.

Yea I take Tesla claims with so much salt it isn’t even funny. Some end up being true others are pure Marketing bullshit but at the end of the day there is still a lot of stuff here and there.

[Huckleberry]

This article is over a year old, so I don't know what headway is made since, but I think a used Tesla buyer might be apprehensive about buying a high performance model if they could be faced with having to pay for the option to get it back if it were stripped out as per the example below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/tes ... used-cars/

I'd follow the situation to understand the used market if I were shopping any high performance versions. Maybe it was only the case for a few models accidentally equipped with features that weren't paid for,

In one case, a man bought a used 2018 Model X P100D with the $20,000 Ludicrous Mode from a Tesla dealership, only to have Tesla remove Ludicrous Mode after the sale, following another audit. A Tesla rep told the man that he didn't pay for the option.

Effectively, according to these stories, Tesla appears to be treating certain optional software as a non-transferrable. This wouldn't be unheard of — even automakers have spoken of a future where they'll upgrade or de-content vehicles after the sale to suit dealer or buyer preferences. The problem with what Tesla is supposedly doing is that the company hasn't made its software stance clear, and even Tesla reps at call centers and service centers don't know what's going on. Tesla hasn't responded to Jalopnik's questions, so we don't know the company's position. But the original article and the follow-up are worth a read, especially because what's happening could be "one of the less-considered side effects of car features moving from hardware to software."

Good ol' Tesla reinventing the way used cars work. So revolutionary.


Fuck that company.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

This article is over a year old, so I don't know what headway is made since, but I think a used Tesla buyer might be apprehensive about buying a high performance model if they could be faced with having to pay for the option to get it back if it were stripped out as per the example below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/23/tes ... used-cars/

I'd follow the situation to understand the used market if I were shopping any high performance versions. Maybe it was only the case for a few models accidentally equipped with features that weren't paid for,

Good ol' Tesla reinventing the way used cars work. So revolutionary.


Fuck that company.

saving the planet isn't cheap! If you're too poor to buy a new one, you're too poor to have one at all!

[MrH42]

Yea this goes along with some of the annoying ass side effects of having a software heavy vehicle. There have been teething issues as such that were reported frequently.

It seems to be fairly minimal in the newer models, but now everyone is bitching about FSD... Full self driving was supposedly "included" in all teslas post 2018. And since then Tesla backtracked and now charges 10k or $300 a month. I wouldn't purchase FSD.

That sounds pretty cut and dry, and they are better then everyone else when it comes to the software piece so it's a non-issue.

It's a non-issue??? It's literally fraud.

[Tar]

That sounds pretty cut and dry, and they are better then everyone else when it comes to the software piece so it's a non-issue.

It's a non-issue??? It's literally fraud.

I don't know what the legal wording in the agreements is between buyers and sellers, but I assume that they will have it written in a way that notifies customers that this service is NOT included. So calling it fraud might be an over-reach without more info.

[MrH42]

No. Why would you assume that about Tesla, of all companies? It doesn't state that at all. There are countless lawsuits on going.

[Tar]

No. Why would you assume that about Tesla, of all companies? It doesn't state that at all. There are countless lawsuits on going.

Okay sure, I can't argue this stance. I assume that Tesla will have legal wording in place because they are being sued left, right and center. They likely have a legal team working on every document publicly issued, like all multi-nationals.

[Huckleberry]

Good ol' Tesla reinventing the way used cars work. So revolutionary.


Fuck that company.

saving the planet isn't cheap! If you're too poor to buy a new one, you're too poor to have one at all!

My only hope is that once all of the other manufacturers get their EV line-ups rolling out, Tesla gets a serious reality check.

[MrH42]

No, they really don't. I think they had 4 different people in the role of General Council in 1 year. They brought a big name in to run and he left in a month.

I know it's typical these giant corporations have this stuff under control. Tesla is as far from typical as you can get in a lot of areas.

[Tar]

No, they really don't. I think they had 4 different people in the role of General Council in 1 year. They brought a big name in to run and he left in a month.

I know it's typical these giant corporations have this stuff under control. Tesla is as far from typical as you can get in a lot of areas.

That's hilarious! Okay, I guess that they suck.

[D Griff]

No, they really don't. I think they had 4 different people in the role of General Council in 1 year. They brought a big name in to run and he left in a month.

I know it's typical these giant corporations have this stuff under control. Tesla is as far from typical as you can get in a lot of areas.

That's hilarious! Okay, I guess that they suck.

Pretty much. The cars do not suck. The company and CEO do.

It 100% is fraud, they are promising and charging a huge price premium for a feature set that literally doesn't exist and has no hope to exist for at least 10 years.

[Tar]

That's hilarious! Okay, I guess that they suck.

Pretty much. The cars do not suck. The company and CEO do.

It 100% is fraud, they are promising and charging a huge price premium for a feature set that literally doesn't exist and has no hope to exist for at least 10 years.

Well that's not very smart. How are they able to break so many rules.... investor funds seem to keep propelling them to new heights. It is a very interesting case scenario, would love to see who the top twenty share holders are.