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max225 wrote:
MexicanYarisTK wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:54 am :dat: and a Camry v6 doe
Camry doesn't come supercharged BRO.
The newer Evoras (400 and GT) sound awesome too.
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troyguitar wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:59 am
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Camry doesn't come supercharged BRO.
The newer Evoras (400 and GT) sound awesome too.
I really like them. Nothing really wrong with them in my book outside of servicability from a :dillerman: perspective.
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Yeah I would love an Evora, they are amazing. :wub: Lotii.
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That’s a lot of money for something powered by a Camry engine.
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Johnny_P wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:25 pm
That’s a lot of money for something powered by a Camry engine.
:iono: it's a pretty good engine, I think the parts sharing is a great thing that actually adds value. Camry engine > bespoke :bs: that requires a three week wait to get a spark plug in this country.
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D Griff wrote:
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:25 pm That’s a lot of money for something powered by a Camry engine.
:iono: it's a pretty good engine, I think the parts sharing is a great thing that actually adds value. Camry engine > bespoke :bs: that requires a three week wait to get a spark plug in this country.
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I also love that they use a regular "aftermarket" double DIN stereo. Proprietary :bs: is stupid.
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D Griff wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:24 pm Yeah I would love an Evora, they are amazing. :wub: Lotii.
I looked at them before :gorf:

they are hitting a sweet spot and def depreciated much harder than the elise. Elises are STILL $35-45k and MSRP was much less than the Evora.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-lotus-evora-5/

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dubshow wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:49 am
D Griff wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:24 pm Yeah I would love an Evora, they are amazing. :wub: Lotii.
I looked at them before :gorf:

they are hitting a sweet spot and def depreciated much harder than the elise. Elises are STILL $35-45k and MSRP was much less than the Evora.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-lotus-evora-5/

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They could also be reasonably daily driven/street driven, I loved the Elise when I drove it but man, they're not something you'd just hop in and take to work.
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Toyota uses a BMW engine in Supra
“It’s a piece of shit Toyota are idiots for not developing a motor”

Lotus uses a Camry engine in their super car
“It’s a great engine and I love the car”
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:06 pm Toyota uses a BMW engine in Supra
“It’s a piece of shit Toyota are idiots for not developing a motor”

Lotus uses a Camry engine in their super car
“It’s a great engine and I love the car”
Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
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max225 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:06 pm Toyota uses a BMW engine in Supra
“It’s a piece of shit Toyota are idiots for not developing a motor”

Lotus uses a Camry engine in their super car
“It’s a great engine and I love the car”
Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:06 pm Toyota uses a BMW engine in Supra
“It’s a piece of shit Toyota are idiots for not developing a motor”

Lotus uses a Camry engine in their super car
“It’s a great engine and I love the car”
Also... Toyota engines are touted for their reliability... BMWs are not. I don't really give any fucks who made the engine in the particular car, I care about sound, efficiency, power, reliability out of an engine. I also love the Supra.
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max225 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:06 pm Toyota uses a BMW engine in Supra
“It’s a piece of shit Toyota are idiots for not developing a motor”

Lotus uses a Camry engine in their super car
“It’s a great engine and I love the car”
Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
Sheet metal, steering (for the worse... the BMW steering feels more direct), suspension (the Supra is a super neutrally balanced car), diff and trans tuning, and several hundred million dollars to fund the development. BMW can thank Toyota for the Z4.

I’ve driven both. They may be the same chassis but they have two different personalities and are two distinctly different cars... The difference between Z4 and Supra is far greater than the difference between BRZ and 86.

Is the 86 pathetic because it’s a Toyota tuned Subaru? The differences between those cars are much harder to spot than the Z4/Supra.

This is what I hate about armchair car enthusiasts. Toyota were damned either way with this thing... at Least they’ve brought a niche car to the market for the people that could afford it. It may not be fantastic but it’s a really, very good car for $50k. I hate to break it to you... the Mk4 Supra isn’t anything to write home about either.
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fledonfoot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 pm

Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
Sheet metal, steering (for the worse... the BMW steering feels more direct), suspension (the Supra is a super neutrally balanced car), diff and trans tuning, and several hundred million dollars to fund the development. BMW can thank Toyota for the Z4.

I’ve driven both. They may be the same chassis but they have two different personalities and are two distinctly different cars... The difference between Z4 and Supra is far greater than the difference between BRZ and 86.

Is the 86 pathetic because it’s a Toyota tuned Subaru? The differences between those cars are much harder to spot than the Z4/Supra.

This is what I hate about armchair car enthusiasts. Toyota were damned either way with this thing... at Least they’ve brought a niche car to the market for the people that could afford it. It may not be fantastic but it’s a really, very good car for $50k. I hate to break it to you... the Mk4 Supra isn’t anything to write home about either.
This. And you’re likely the only one with any seat time in either a Supra or a new Z4.
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Also, not calling max an armchair enthusiast. Maybe just an accountant :lol:
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fledonfoot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 pm

Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
Sheet metal, steering (for the worse... the BMW steering feels more direct), suspension (the Supra is a super neutrally balanced car), diff and trans tuning, and several hundred million dollars to fund the development. BMW can thank Toyota for the Z4.

I’ve driven both. They may be the same chassis but they have two different personalities and are two distinctly different cars... The difference between Z4 and Supra is far greater than the difference between BRZ and 86.

Is the 86 pathetic because it’s a Toyota tuned Subaru? The differences between those cars are much harder to spot than the Z4/Supra.

This is what I hate about armchair car enthusiasts. Toyota were damned either way with this thing... at Least they’ve brought a niche car to the market for the people that could afford it. It may not be fantastic but it’s a really, very good car for $50k. I hate to break it to you... the Mk4 Supra isn’t anything to write home about either.
You’re actually saying the 86 and brz are different cars. :mindblown:
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fledonfoot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:43 pm Also, not calling max an armchair enthusiast. Maybe just an accountant :lol:
An accountant's opinion is just as important as yours so we agree to disagree.
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fledonfoot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 pm

Toyota doesn’t use just the engine the entire fucking car is bmw. It’s pathetic. What’s Toyota about it?
Sheet metal, steering (for the worse... the BMW steering feels more direct), suspension (the Supra is a super neutrally balanced car), diff and trans tuning, and several hundred million dollars to fund the development. BMW can thank Toyota for the Z4.

I’ve driven both. They may be the same chassis but they have two different personalities and are two distinctly different cars... The difference between Z4 and Supra is far greater than the difference between BRZ and 86.

Is the 86 pathetic because it’s a Toyota tuned Subaru? The differences between those cars are much harder to spot than the Z4/Supra.

This is what I hate about armchair car enthusiasts. Toyota were damned either way with this thing... at Least they’ve brought a niche car to the market for the people that could afford it. It may not be fantastic but it’s a really, very good car for $50k. I hate to break it to you... the Mk4 Supra isn’t anything to write home about either.
Please also provide backup for this...

Here is an article

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos ... are-bmw-z4

Everything is BMW. There is perhaps only one unique part and that's it . :fax:
Overall, the front suspension on the Supra appears to be a mix of Z4 3.0i and M40i components with the lower control arm being the only unique part that impacts the chassis configuration.
Even the wheels have the same offsets and the Z4 and supra have the same track. I am :notsure: what point you're trying to make other than Arm chair quarterbacking yourself.

I have made one statement ... Supra=Z4. And that's why it sucks, this has nothing to do with the fact that it is fun to drive or whatever. I hate badge engineering, if this isn't it I don't know what it is. I am firmly standing by that statement.
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