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max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:43 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:14 pm
They only buy Rubicons because they have to. Sport isnt available with enough hardware. Bronco is changing that, which will be major :popcorn:
Broncos are pretty pricy also... but yea IMO Bronco is the better overall rig at this point in time. I am curious how FCA will address this. Obviously there is a lot of brand loyalty within Jeep so that will be an uphill battle.

But man... FRAUD went 5/7 on this. I'll give them the credit where it is due. Pending no doom once they launch, which is very possible.
I'm :mindblown: that Ferd got so much right on this thing.

The production launch is a different question, but after the Explorer/Aviator was so publically bad, I doubt there will be many issues...high level jobs are likely on the line.
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razr390 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:53 pm I have friends who would’ve never shopped for a Wrangler or even understand it be :amazing: at the Bronco. They (car guys) believe Ford knocked it out of the park by making “Bronco” the class/segment name and then offering a slice of whatever the consumer wants for their budget/needs.

They think Bronco will sell more due to this. Especially in the “Sport” crossover/like version to the average mall crawler
The Sport is being mostly overshadowed by the "big" Bronco, but I think is equally interesting. I bet they'll sell a ton of those, I dig it a lot.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:02 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:43 pm

Broncos are pretty pricy also... but yea IMO Bronco is the better overall rig at this point in time. I am curious how FCA will address this. Obviously there is a lot of brand loyalty within Jeep so that will be an uphill battle.

But man... FRAUD went 5/7 on this. I'll give them the credit where it is due. Pending no doom once they launch, which is very possible.
I'm :mindblown: that Ferd got so much right on this thing.

The production launch is a different question, but after the Explorer/Aviator was so publically bad, I doubt there will be many issues...high level jobs are likely on the line.
Their launch was 2/7 compared to the JL launch. A lame ass 10 min video and that's it... but then again "these trying times"
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max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:14 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:02 pm
I'm :mindblown: that Ferd got so much right on this thing.

The production launch is a different question, but after the Explorer/Aviator was so publically bad, I doubt there will be many issues...high level jobs are likely on the line.
Their launch was 2/7 compared to the JL launch. A lame ass 10 min video and that's it... but then again "these trying times"
I'm sure they had a :mindblown: plan that was nuked by "trying times".

Production is going to be a whole different ballgame. There's insane amounts of build complexity here, and with suppliers and plants running half-assed because of the virus, it's going to be an epic challenge getting these things on the road with minimal issues.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:23 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:14 pm

Their launch was 2/7 compared to the JL launch. A lame ass 10 min video and that's it... but then again "these trying times"
I'm sure they had a :mindblown: plan that was nuked by "trying times".

Production is going to be a whole different ballgame. There's insane amounts of build complexity here, and with suppliers and plants running half-assed because of the virus, it's going to be an epic challenge getting these things on the road with minimal issues.
Yea... Where are they building it? And what's that plant capacity... curious about that.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:29 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:23 pm
I'm sure they had a :mindblown: plan that was nuked by "trying times".

Production is going to be a whole different ballgame. There's insane amounts of build complexity here, and with suppliers and plants running half-assed because of the virus, it's going to be an epic challenge getting these things on the road with minimal issues.
Yea... Where are they building it? And what's that plant capacity... curious about that.
Michigan Assembly, where they currently build the Ranger. It's in the metro Detroit area. I don't know what the total plant capacity is, but they're expanding it greatly right now. I camped with a buddy this weekend who's a project manager for one of the main IT suppliers at the plant, and he said it's been going better than he expected so far with all the virus stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Assembly_Plant
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:02 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:43 pm

Broncos are pretty pricy also... but yea IMO Bronco is the better overall rig at this point in time. I am curious how FCA will address this. Obviously there is a lot of brand loyalty within Jeep so that will be an uphill battle.

But man... FRAUD went 5/7 on this. I'll give them the credit where it is due. Pending no doom once they launch, which is very possible.
I'm :mindblown: that Ferd got so much right on this thing.

The production launch is a different question, but after the Explorer/Aviator was so publically bad, I doubt there will be many issues...high level jobs are likely on the line.
Honestly it's no different than the JL launch which was crazy :mindblown: as well. I feel like JKs were awesome if you love :jeep: but kind of shitty cars, the JL really addressed so much of that with a nice interior, tops that are easy to operate, better ride, better handling, better automatic transmission, passable fuel economy, etc. I always liked Jeeps but never particularly wanted to daily one pre-JL.

Bronco is just the next evolution of that.
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They basically copied the Wrangler and addressed it's shortcomings.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:34 pm They basically copied the Wrangler and addressed it's shortcomings.
Yea...but it's just not that easy for Ford. The new Explorer is embarrassing...and it's in the most crowded segment in the industry, so there's plenty of others to copy.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 pm
Same!

I wonder where the speakers are?
Yeah the overhead speaker bar is one thing that's nice on the Wrangler that it seems Fraud isn't copying / one-upping.

I like the lack of a b-pillar horizontal support. Legit open top. And easy remove panels on the front and rear seats is superior to the Wrangler top that can only easily remove at the fronts. I dunno, tradeoffs.

One really cool thing is the accessory mount bar on the dashboard. WAP's dash mount compass wouldn't look out of place on it :wub:
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wap wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:12 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm

Yeah the overhead speaker bar is one thing that's nice on the Wrangler that it seems Fraud isn't copying / one-upping.

I like the lack of a b-pillar horizontal support. Legit open top. And easy remove panels on the front and rear seats is superior to the Wrangler top that can only easily remove at the fronts. I dunno, tradeoffs.

One really cool thing is the accessory mount bar on the dashboard. WAP's dash mount compass wouldn't look out of place on it :wub:
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:lol:
You should really consider that as a possible avatar.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:14 pm
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You should really consider that as a possible avatar.
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You should really consider that as a possible avatar.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 pm
Same!

I wonder where the speakers are?
Yeah the overhead speaker bar is one thing that's nice on the Wrangler that it seems Fraud isn't copying / one-upping.

I like the lack of a b-pillar horizontal support. Legit open top. And easy remove panels on the front and rear seats is superior to the Wrangler top that can only easily remove at the fronts. I dunno, tradeoffs.

One really cool thing is the accessory mount bar on the dashboard. WAP's dash mount compass wouldn't look out of place on it :wub:
It's awesome when the top's off...which lets be real, most people will only do once or twice and never again.

I attribute a lot of the audio sound quality in my truck with the sound bar, will be interesting to see how Ford solved for that.
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:16 pm Can you truck nuts make a new thread for truck shit? :disgust:
Guess not.
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But there are :truk: , :jeep: , and offroading threads, :doe:
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:30 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm

Yeah the overhead speaker bar is one thing that's nice on the Wrangler that it seems Fraud isn't copying / one-upping.

I like the lack of a b-pillar horizontal support. Legit open top. And easy remove panels on the front and rear seats is superior to the Wrangler top that can only easily remove at the fronts. I dunno, tradeoffs.

One really cool thing is the accessory mount bar on the dashboard. WAP's dash mount compass wouldn't look out of place on it :wub:
It's awesome when the top's off...which lets be real, most people will only do once or twice and never again.

I attribute a lot of the audio sound quality in my truck with the sound bar, will be interesting to see how Ford solved for that.
I wanna know if they fixed their seat collapsing problems. I.e. typical ford shit. Weird thing is I trust FCA a lot more than Ford despite every initial quality study saying FCA is basically the worst.
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:16 pm Can you truck nuts make a new thread for truck shit? :disgust:
This is the closest you’re going to get to a manual turbo RWD station wagon :mahman:

Or. RWD, turbo, 7 speed manual, 2 door, and double wishbone front suspension.

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Johnny_P wrote:
troyguitar wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:16 pm Can you truck nuts make a new thread for truck shit? :disgust:
This is the closest you’re going to get to a manual turbo RWD station wagon :mahman:

Or. RWD, turbo, 7 speed manual, 2 door, and double wishbone front suspension.

:notbad:
I guess I just don't care about cars anymore.
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One area I don't like the Bronco is the dash....

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I think looks like complete ass compared to the JL, but Ford doesn't really win awards for their interior. Sync system? YUK. I hope this one is more than just a bigger screen with the shit OS.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:43 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:30 pm
It's awesome when the top's off...which lets be real, most people will only do once or twice and never again.

I attribute a lot of the audio sound quality in my truck with the sound bar, will be interesting to see how Ford solved for that.
I wanna know if they fixed their seat collapsing problems. I.e. typical ford shit. Weird thing is I trust FCA a lot more than Ford despite every initial quality study saying FCA is basically the worst.
Yeah, isn't that weird? I feel the same way for some reason. But nothing broke on the interior of my JK or JL, and they have one of the best infotainment systems you can buy that isn't some wild $9k option on a high end car. The Uconnect 8.4 and 12 systems are really, really good.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:56 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:43 pm

I wanna know if they fixed their seat collapsing problems. I.e. typical ford shit. Weird thing is I trust FCA a lot more than Ford despite every initial quality study saying FCA is basically the worst.
Yeah, isn't that weird? I feel the same way for some reason. But nothing broke on the interior of my JK or JL, and they have one of the best infotainment systems you can buy that isn't some wild $9k option on a high end car. The Uconnect 8.4 and 12 systems are really, really good.
All the fords we have owned were fine for a few years then at like year 2 or 3 they had something major go wrong. I have no FCA ownership experience but they seem to have a few issues early on then stay decently solid.

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troyguitar wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:58 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
This is the closest you’re going to get to a manual turbo RWD station wagon :mahman:

Or. RWD, turbo, 7 speed manual, 2 door, and double wishbone front suspension.

:notbad:
I guess I just don't care about cars anymore.
You should put a hitch and bike rack on the 86
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:05 pm
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:56 pm

Yeah, isn't that weird? I feel the same way for some reason. But nothing broke on the interior of my JK or JL, and they have one of the best infotainment systems you can buy that isn't some wild $9k option on a high end car. The Uconnect 8.4 and 12 systems are really, really good.
All the fords we have owned were fine for a few years then at like year 2 or 3 they had something major go wrong. I have no FCA ownership experience but they seem to have a few issues early on then stay decently solid.

:iono:
I have a ford with 408k miles and a non collapsed seat... I had 2 lincolns with over 100k miles, and I had T bird and a Mercury cougar... all were fine. I haven't had a fraud since 2000 :doe: so who knows...
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