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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:09 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:05 pm Bumping this since Griffballs thread turned into car chat.

Yep lowering is for suckers. Stock HEIGHT is BEST HEIGHT.
My STI was a perfect ride height. Cleared curbs and parking blocks. Looked rad.
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max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:20 pm
D Griff wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:08 pm

:dat:

And the fact that they won't even let the owner of this $250K machine easily access the engine bay goes to show you that it will always be a Ritsche. :dillerman: $27,000 targa replacements or :gtfo:

(I know it's not a targa, but just an example of what one may face at the Porsche rape cave)

Fled has pretty much scared me away from ever purchasing a P-car that isn't a Prius.
Yep. The “service” is just :fullretard: at that brand. Senseless ass rape, unless you have fuck you money (8+ Figure net worth )
This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
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And FWIW after Porsche at $650k it’s Tesla at $180, then Audi, Volvo, Benz, Jag, BMW and then Lexus in that order. Those six are all mid $150k HHI.

The gap from 1-2 is massive. And growing.
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fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:39 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:20 pm

Yep. The “service” is just :fullretard: at that brand. Senseless ass rape, unless you have fuck you money (8+ Figure net worth )
This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
Does the same service apply to a $1000 944?
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fledonfoot wrote: Expensive things are expensive.
:notwrong:

What gets me is how quickly they keep getting even more expensive. Not at Porsche, because I'll never be rich enough to care, but everywhere else. The idea of ever owning a Porsche is about as realistic as me being an astronaut.

Our income is now back up to the same as it was in about 2013... meanwhile many things are up 50+% in cost. How many fucking bootstraps do I need to pull? This is madness.
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Huckleberry wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:45 pm
fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:39 pm

This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
Does the same service apply to a $1000 944?
It’s a Porsche coming into a Porsche dealership. Why wouldn’t it be?

During my first stint, I had a customer trailer in a 928 that was imported from Germany in the early 2000s and just sat for 15 years without running. I told him up front he would be well into the teens of thousands... and he brought it in anyway for a $300ish inspection fee. We checked it out, drew up a significant list of what it needed to run and I came up with a near $20k estimate. He thought I was trying to scare him off with that comment on the phone and was shocked when I emailed over the report. I spent 2 hours with the guy and the tech going over the car explaining everything to him in person the next day. 15 years of neglect added up.

During that time with him I found out his dad was stationed in Germany for several years in the 90s and died unexpectedly in 2001. This was his dream car and he would drive it on base. They shipped the car over with some help from the military and it sat in their garage for 15+ years until the son decided to maybe get it running again. Everything rubber needed replacing. The engine was hard to crank... Fuel system shot... it was too far gone.

He made arrangements to trailer the car out the following week and told me the family was looking to sell the car. I had my detail shop do an exterior detail and give it the best shine we could. I towed the car to my “warehouse” location where we have our clear bra/ceramic/McLaren service location and our in house photo studio and had a couple of studio shots taken and printed.

I met him the following week when he came to meet the tow truck and gave him the prints. I basically spent the $300 the company made on the inspection on the detail, tow and pictures, but this guy shows up to all of our cars and coffee shows and signs up for our road rally and other events.

I’m not saying this happens with every customer, but we go into every relationship with one in such a way that this can happen. There’s also plenty of cunts we deal with, too.
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fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:16 pm
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:45 pm

Does the same service apply to a $1000 944?
It’s a Porsche coming into a Porsche dealership. Why wouldn’t it be?

During my first stint, I had a customer trailer in a 928 that was imported from Germany in the early 2000s and just sat for 15 years without running. I told him up front he would be well into the teens of thousands... and he brought it in anyway for a $300ish inspection fee. We checked it out, drew up a significant list of what it needed to run and I came up with a near $20k estimate. He thought I was trying to scare him off with that comment on the phone and was shocked when I emailed over the report. I spent 2 hours with the guy and the tech going over the car explaining everything to him in person the next day. 15 years of neglect added up.

During that time with him I found out his dad was stationed in Germany for several years in the 90s and died unexpectedly in 2001. This was his dream car and he would drive it on base. They shipped the car over with some help from the military and it sat in their garage for 15+ years until the son decided to maybe get it running again. Everything rubber needed replacing. The engine was hard to crank... Fuel system shot... it was too far gone.

He made arrangements to trailer the car out the following week and told me the family was looking to sell the car. I had my detail shop do an exterior detail and give it the best shine we could. I towed the car to my “warehouse” location where we have our clear bra/ceramic/McLaren service location and our in house photo studio and had a couple of studio shots taken and printed.

I met him the following week when he came to meet the tow truck and gave him the prints. I basically spent the $300 the company made on the inspection on the detail, tow and pictures, but this guy shows up to all of our cars and coffee shows and signs up for our road rally and other events.

I’m not saying this happens with every customer, but we go into every relationship with one in such a way that this can happen. There’s also plenty of cunts we deal with, too.
Really enjoying your insights here.
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fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:39 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:20 pm

Yep. The “service” is just :fullretard: at that brand. Senseless ass rape, unless you have fuck you money (8+ Figure net worth )
This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
:bravo:

Much like the wife’s place of work. It’s eye-watering expensive for 98% of us, but literally everything is thought out. The staff knows what you want before you even think about it.
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I fully believe and would expect that the Porsche service experience is amazing, I think what makes people like Max and I make snide remarks is the fact that times have changed and it’s now pretty much unobtainable for any middle/upper middle class person to own something like a decent Porsche ever.

10 or 20 or 30 years ago, a regular guy could buy a 15 year old 911, service it at home like a regular car more or less, and enjoy. Not so much the case now as 90s and earlier ones are six figures, 00s seemed to suffer with major reliability/quality issues, and newer requires the $450 oil changes.

:ohwell: I will stay in my lane with Corvettes and souped up Civics, certainly plenty of fun out there to be had for regular guys as well.
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max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:05 pm Bumping this since Griffballs thread turned into car chat.

Yep lowering is for suckers. Stock HEIGHT is BEST HEIGHT.
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4zilch wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:24 am Back in my day a gallon of milk cost a nickel :wap:
They don't make em like they used to
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D Griff wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:38 am I fully believe and would expect that the Porsche service experience is amazing, I think what makes people like Max and I make snide remarks is the fact that times have changed and it’s now pretty much unobtainable for any middle/upper middle class person to own something like a decent Porsche ever.

10 or 20 or 30 years ago, a regular guy could buy a 15 year old 911, service it at home like a regular car more or less, and enjoy. Not so much the case now as 90s and earlier ones are six figures, 00s seemed to suffer with major reliability/quality issues, and newer requires the $450 oil changes.

:ohwell: I will stay in my lane with Corvettes and souped up Civics, certainly plenty of fun out there to be had for regular guys as well.
Not to mention, even appliances have gotten better dynamically. There's basically no such thing as "shitty" cars anymore other than mitsubishi.

Whenever I talk to my parents about Skoda, they'll go :hellno: because when they grew up it used to be cars for the poverty and shitty busses, now that they're owned by VW, they're rather a little more upscale cars. I am like that in Hyundai's, because I've been in those hyundai accent cabs growing up and I know how the dash is more like fisher price, plus one of my friends dad had the Hyundai Excel (first one made) when I was a kid and it was a complete pile. The new line-up are completely opposite, I rented one overseas and it drives on par as my mk6, i've been in santa fe, elanta, and ioniq as ubers, also decent quality too. But i'd still won't get one and GDI engines have flaws that causes :hibachi: :hibatchi: situations.

Not too long ago, phones weren't that expensive either, I remember when I bought my iphone 3g, it was only $200, now? forget it! I remember reading an article saying "my parents had a $100,000 salary and now that I make that much, I don't think I am rich" or somewhere along those lines.
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HerrBerlin wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:44 pm Just sold the car to shift! 5/7 experience and would absolutely recommend.

Appointment was booked for them to show up between 2 - 4pm and some dude showed up in an uber at 3:20 (he called 15 minutes beforehand to let me know he was on his way). The offer they give is if your car is in perfect condition and they deduct $$$ if they need to fix anything. I only had $65 deducted from the offer for a badly curbed wheel after he walked around the car for ~5 minutes, which I expected and thought was pretty reasonable given what it looked like.

After agreeing to the final offer, we signed the paperwork and he drove off in the car. Should have the money deposited in the next few days.

Bought it in December 2019 for $23.2k and just sold it 1.5ish years and 5k miles later for $24,535. :impressive:
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:09 pm

My STI was a perfect ride height. Cleared curbs and parking blocks. Looked rad.
10-4. yet.

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Huge :hellno: for me dawg. That car would get destroyed in where I'm at right now, especially in an area with lot of hills. I also don't want to imagine driving my "slightly" lowered GTI here either.
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fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:39 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:20 pm

Yep. The “service” is just :fullretard: at that brand. Senseless ass rape, unless you have fuck you money (8+ Figure net worth )
This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
I know this about Porsche, and I’m still considering buying one. Used, as I am nowhere near that average new Macan owners income.... the regular maintenance costs I can handle, it’s the unexpected repairs that scare me. Do you have any advice or words of wisdom as I start shopping for my next car?
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fledonfoot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:39 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:20 pm

Yep. The “service” is just :fullretard: at that brand. Senseless ass rape, unless you have fuck you money (8+ Figure net worth )
This touches a nerve.

The average household income of a Porsche owner is $650k as of the end of 2020. The average household income of a 911 owner is $940k. Panamera $880k, Cayenne $720k and Macan $510k (the base Macan has brought that number down). The average 911 owner owns multiple Porsches.

The average new Porsche owner absolutely has fuck you money. Most of my customers at my store are above average.

We are trained to cater to the fuck you money. Porsche’s goal is to be the world’s most aspirational brand by 2025. If someone brings me a beat up 2012 Panamera with 100k miles, a 918, or a brand new 911 Turbo S, you get the same level of service. You may have acquired a $20k beat up Panamera from used car lot somewhere, but that was still a $100k new car. You inherit a broken busted up Rolex and take it to a Rolex dealer, do you think you’re expecting to get anything less than stellar service and the pricing that comes along with that?

For $480 I pick up your vehicle wherever you want me to, whenever you want me to, drop a new Cayenne in your driveway or office parking lot, perform the required service, hand wash, vac, sanitize and spray wax your car, deliver it back to you with a full tank of gas and pick up your loaner, whenever and wherever you want me to. You literally pick up the phone and pick a date and I handle the rest.

These people can afford it, we’re open and up front about pricing and our customers know we provide a premium service at a premium price. I’d you don’t like the price, that’s fine. The car needs what the car needs. I’ll still clean and sanitize your car, deliver it and pick up my loaner.

We are a Porsche Premier dealer... top 10 in the US for 10 of the last 11 years under this owner’s control. I currently have a 3.5 week wait for appointments, and pick up clients cars as far away as Ohio, Virginia, Upstate NY and CT on a regular basis.

There’s no raping going on. Expensive things are expensive.
You’re literally confirming what were saying. We’re all too poor to have one.

Just like Bugatti owners don’t give a F that tire changes cost 42k because the car gets flown to France. Ridiculous to us fine to them.
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D Griff wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:38 am I fully believe and would expect that the Porsche service experience is amazing, I think what makes people like Max and I make snide remarks is the fact that times have changed and it’s now pretty much unobtainable for any middle/upper middle class person to own something like a decent Porsche ever.

10 or 20 or 30 years ago, a regular guy could buy a 15 year old 911, service it at home like a regular car more or less, and enjoy. Not so much the case now as 90s and earlier ones are six figures, 00s seemed to suffer with major reliability/quality issues, and newer requires the $450 oil changes.

:ohwell: I will stay in my lane with Corvettes and souped up Civics, certainly plenty of fun out there to be had for regular guys as well.
Not to mention, even appliances have gotten better dynamically. There's basically no such thing as "shitty" cars anymore other than mitsubishi.

Whenever I talk to my parents about Skoda, they'll go :hellno: because when they grew up it used to be cars for the poverty and shitty busses, now that they're owned by VW, they're rather a little more upscale cars. I am like that in Hyundai's, because I've been in those hyundai accent cabs growing up and I know how the dash is more like fisher price, plus one of my friends dad had the Hyundai Excel (first one made) when I was a kid and it was a complete pile. The new line-up are completely opposite, I rented one overseas and it drives on par as my mk6, i've been in santa fe, elanta, and ioniq as ubers, also decent quality too. But i'd still won't get one and GDI engines have flaws that causes :hibachi: :hibatchi: situations.

Not too long ago, phones weren't that expensive either, I remember when I bought my iphone 3g, it was only $200, now? forget it! I remember reading an article saying "my parents had a $100,000 salary and now that I make that much, I don't think I am rich" or somewhere along those lines.
Skoda is a rebadged VW, with all the same internals built in the same plants (i.e. engines/etc), and the Czechs can run weld shops as well as the next guy. Heck the T-reg/Q7/Q8/Cayenne are built in Bratislava, and I can't imagine that the Czechs are any better or worse at building cars then the Slovaks, or Germans for that matter. Both my T-reg and R are holding up exceptionally well for 4+ yr old cars. I'd buy a Skoda Octavia to save a few bucks over a VW sportwagen or whatever the equivalents are in the EU.
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Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:55 am How are Macans for maintenance and reliability? Any major issues? The would be a :neat: second vehicle for us...
They are wonderful for those with a 500k + household income.
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max225 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 am
Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:55 am How are Macans for maintenance and reliability? Any major issues? The would be a :neat: second vehicle for us...
They are wonderful for those with a 500k + household income.
Back to shopping crosstreks then.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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D Griff wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:38 am I fully believe and would expect that the Porsche service experience is amazing, I think what makes people like Max and I make snide remarks is the fact that times have changed and it’s now pretty much unobtainable for any middle/upper middle class person to own something like a decent Porsche ever.

10 or 20 or 30 years ago, a regular guy could buy a 15 year old 911, service it at home like a regular car more or less, and enjoy. Not so much the case now as 90s and earlier ones are six figures, 00s seemed to suffer with major reliability/quality issues, and newer requires the $450 oil changes.

:ohwell: I will stay in my lane with Corvettes and souped up Civics, certainly plenty of fun out there to be had for regular guys as well.
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max225 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 am

They are wonderful for those with a 500k + household income.
Back to shopping crosstreks then.
Stay in your lane or pay $500 for an oil change I mean the answer is pretty clear
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Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:28 am
max225 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:26 am

They are wonderful for those with a 500k + household income.
Back to shopping crosstreks then.
How :waxer: are you?? Just :wasteful: spending on a :fancy: cross trek. Stick to your bicycle.

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Apex wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:30 am
Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:28 am
Back to shopping crosstreks then.
How :waxer: are you?? Just :wasteful: spending on a :fancy: cross trek. Stick to your bicycle.

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Right? Fucking Rockafeller.
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