Car Talk 5: The Juice is Loose!

[troyguitar]

Why wouldn't they? They took a gas sample when I had my issues.

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We’re looking for separation/contamination, not octane.

So it's safe to run 87 on the 86?

[fledonfoot]

We’re looking for separation/contamination, not octane.

So it's safe to run 87 on the 86?

It’ll pull timing to save itself and rob you of power. And fuel economy. It’ll run, but I wouldn’t do it... I never did.

Fun fact: the FJ Cruiser requires 91.

[Johnny_P]

We’re looking for separation/contamination, not octane.

So it's safe to run 87 on the 86?

Nah. Not on a subaru. Er well the EJ at least is a flat out nope. The FA series maybe they have better knock sensors. But I know a lot of FA20 WRX owners were reporting knock issues stock...

That was a while ago though.

I wonder if the Civic Si runs on 87. I bet it does, that motor is in everything in their lineup. Shame about the lack of automatic in that car. I really think I'd just go buy one if it had like an acceptable 8 speed or something. I could deal with a crappy black interior again if it had a red exterior. I think.

[Gberg2119]

Why wouldn't they? They took a gas sample when I had my issues.

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We’re looking for separation/contamination, not octane.

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[Johnny_P]

I should probably go for a drive today. Getting stir crazy.

[wap]

Next-Gen Mazda 6 Switching to RWD Layout, Inline-Six Power

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3210 ... nl19902935

[goIftdibrad]

Next-Gen Mazda 6 Switching to RWD Layout, Inline-Six Power

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3210 ... nl19902935

[max225]

Next-Gen Mazda 6 Switching to RWD Layout, Inline-Six Power

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3210 ... nl19902935

Wow how on earth is the development cost justified in this.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3210 ... nl19902935

Wow how on earth is the development cost justified in this.

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

[max225]

Wow how on earth is the development cost justified in this.

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

RWD family sedans don't sell, which other OEM has that? Other than Hyundai.
Also brand new I6 ICE at a time when ICE's have peaked and are dying off like flies.

If I was their beancounter I would never green light this.

[Johnny_P]

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

RWD family sedans don't sell, which other OEM has that? Other than Hyundai.
Also brand new I6 ICE at a time when ICE's have peaked and are dying off like flies.

If I was their beancounter I would never green light this.

Mazda has made some truly calls lately. That diesel CX5 being the top of the heap.

[max225]

RWD family sedans don't sell, which other OEM has that? Other than Hyundai.
Also brand new I6 ICE at a time when ICE's have peaked and are dying off like flies.

If I was their beancounter I would never green light this.

Mazda has made some truly calls lately. That diesel CX5 being the top of the heap.

Those calls will not be kind to them on the gen after this... and realizing you all your money on senseless projects.

[wap]

Wow how on earth is the development cost justified in this.

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

Possibly.

From the article, which apparently didn't read:

Mazda has lately been deepening its ties with Toyota, which may adopt the six-cylinder Skyactiv-X for the next-generation Lexus IS and RC. With Toyota's budget, Mazda engineers could probably welcome Elon Musk to Mars with a locally sourced shrimp buffet.

[troyguitar]

Don't forget the skyactive X compression-ignition gas motor that was supposed to be the next big thing which was never even released. Mazda is apparently trying to go out of business.

[max225]

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

Possibly.

From the article, which apparently didn't read:

Mazda has lately been deepening its ties with Toyota, which may adopt the six-cylinder Skyactiv-X for the next-generation Lexus IS and RC. With Toyota's budget, Mazda engineers could probably welcome Elon Musk to Mars with a locally sourced shrimp buffet.

[Johnny_P]

Don't forget the skyactive X compression-ignition gas motor that was supposed to be the next big thing which was never even released. Mazda is apparently trying to go out of business.

They really could use an 8 speed version of their automatic if they refuse to update anything on the motor itself. The 1-2 shift in the CX5 is really pathetic. Everyone I know that has one of those complains about how slow it is. Which is too bad because I think it's a good car overall.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

Possibly.

From the article, which apparently didn't read:

Mazda has lately been deepening its ties with Toyota, which may adopt the six-cylinder Skyactiv-X for the next-generation Lexus IS and RC. With Toyota's budget, Mazda engineers could probably welcome Elon Musk to Mars with a locally sourced shrimp buffet.

This could make a lot of sense.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Don't forget the skyactive X compression-ignition gas motor that was supposed to be the next big thing which was never even released. Mazda is apparently trying to go out of business.

Was probably an attempt to get other OEMs interested in buying engines from them...same with that rando diesel.

It's too soon to tell if that's happening or not. Toyota's ICE engines are rather :meh: and old, so maybe they'll use Mazda tech?

[Huckleberry]

Platform sharing with another OEM perhaps?

RWD family sedans don't sell, which other OEM has that? Other than Hyundai.
Also brand new I6 ICE at a time when ICE's have peaked and are dying off like flies.

If I was their beancounter I would never green light this.

FCA
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Porsche
Cadillac

[Huckleberry]

Don't forget the skyactive X compression-ignition gas motor that was supposed to be the next big thing which was never even released. Mazda is apparently trying to go out of business.

Was probably an attempt to get other OEMs interested in buying engines from them...same with that rando diesel.

It's too soon to tell if that's happening or not. Toyota's ICE engines are rather :meh: and old, so maybe they'll use Mazda tech?

Seems to be Toyota's mantra these day with their interesting vehicles getting farmed out to other OEs.

Probably won't be long before a Hemi shows up in something.

[max225]

RWD family sedans don't sell, which other OEM has that? Other than Hyundai.
Also brand new I6 ICE at a time when ICE's have peaked and are dying off like flies.

If I was their beancounter I would never green light this.

FCA
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Porsche
Cadillac

FCA= Charger and 300 which are legacy products that are dying and are down 20-50% YoY and are probably getting cancelled next year
Audi has RWD?
MB down on sedans like crazy
P cars are down on sedans, ain't nobody buying panameras
Cadillac... No one is buying that brand let alone their sedans which they are actively canning

[Huckleberry]

FCA
BMW
Mercedes
Audi
Porsche
Cadillac

FCA= Charger and 300 which are legacy products that are dying and are down 20-50% YoY and are probably getting cancelled next year
Audi has RWD?
MB down on sedans like crazy
P cars are down on sedans, ain't nobody buying panameras
Cadillac... No one is buying that brand let alone their sedans which they are actively canning

The Charger had one of its best sales years in 2019.

[max225]

FCA= Charger and 300 which are legacy products that are dying and are down 20-50% YoY and are probably getting cancelled next year
Audi has RWD?
MB down on sedans like crazy
P cars are down on sedans, ain't nobody buying panameras
Cadillac... No one is buying that brand let alone their sedans which they are actively canning

The Charger had one of its best sales years in 2019.

V6 0/96 and $200 a month on eternity.

[Huckleberry]

The Charger had one of its best sales years in 2019.

V6 0/96 and $200 a month on eternity.

I don't have any metrics on how the sales were finalized, but the V6 is still a RWD family sedan and sales were up 20% from 2018.

[max225]

V6 0/96 and $200 a month on eternity.

I don't have any metrics on how the sales were finalized, but the V6 is still a RWD family sedan and sales were up 20% from 2018.

Yep the sole model left standing.