Car Talk 5: The Juice is Loose!

[D Griff]

I really don't find that car unattractive at all

I would probably drive one if it drove well and is otherwise

[wap]

I really don't find that car unattractive at all

I would probably drive one if it drove well and is otherwise

Agreed. I'd love to see a wagon version of it.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I really don't find that car unattractive at all

I would probably drive one if it drove well and is otherwise

I think it looks pretty good.

[troyguitar]

Arr rook same to me. I don't see a universe in which anyone should buy that thing over a or Civic Si.

[D Griff]

Arr rook same to me. I don't see a universe in which anyone should buy that thing over a or Civic Si.

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

[Huckleberry]

Arr rook same to me. I don't see a universe in which anyone should buy that thing over a or Civic Si.

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

[Desertbreh]

Arr rook same to me. I don't see a universe in which anyone should buy that thing over a or Civic Si.

Warranty

[MexicanYarisTK]

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

I think so, I would say at least 40 percent of the people whose gonna buy are clearly Audi/vw fan boys. Although most of all the ones I know really hate the mk7 as it is cheaply made, he’s

[RLWake]

Arr rook same to me. I don't see a universe in which anyone should buy that thing over a or Civic Si.

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

It's a Veloster N underneath with some "gen 2" components that the Veloster probably won't get. New adaptive dampers, tweaked turbo, etc. Much better interior, too. Dem SEATS... plus they're heated, unlike the new Veloster N seats.

[Huckleberry]

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

I think so, I would say at least 40 percent of the people whose gonna buy are clearly Audi/vw fan boys. Although most of all the ones I know really hate the mk7 as it is cheaply made, he’s

Mine seems fine.

[MexicanYarisTK]

I think so, I would say at least 40 percent of the people whose gonna buy are clearly Audi/vw fan boys. Although most of all the ones I know really hate the mk7 as it is cheaply made, he’s

Mine seems fine.

I didn’t have much complaints about mine either, mine held up pretty well for 94k miles. Had people come in and go and told me still feels like a new car. Nit picky things I guess.

[wap]

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

Yeah, the Mk8 has something like 241 hp or thereabouts, which is a nice bump over the 228 hp of the 7.5, but still off the 276 (I think) of these H "N" cars.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

Yeah, the Mk8 has something like 241 hp or thereabouts, which is a nice bump over the 228 hp of the 7.5, but still off the 276 (I think) of these H "N" cars.

280 and yes, Hyundai has definitely upped the power for the N cars as well. However, long ago there has been evidence where the GTI actually packs more power stock than advertised, and I know our engines have room to make more power in stock form too.

That said evidence
https://www.focusst.org/threads/mk7-vw- ... ill.34049/

[D Griff]

I admittedly haven't cared enough to look into it that much... but if it is a Veloster N underneath, people would buy it because it is a better drivers car? Veloster N has LSD, more power, and is reportedly way better to drive than either of those two.

I personally do really like the Si

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

Good point. The MK8 looks like a Korea-fied GTI too, so basically they have just merged

[Desertbreh]

Doesn't the MK8 GTI come standard with LSD and a decent bump in power?

The Hyundai does have that 10/100 powertrain warranty, though.

Yeah, the Mk8 has something like 241 hp or thereabouts, which is a nice bump over the 228 hp of the 7.5, but still off the 276 (I think) of these H "N" cars.

These are basically going to be the same IRL number, IMHO, unless Hyundai has changed their ways or VW has changed theirs. Hyundai power ratings are always optimistic and almost all German manufacturers underrate their engines. Curb weight and quarter mile times will tell the most truth other than side by side dyno comparisons.

For instance the B 58 in our 440i is rated at 320hp but there are numerous dyno tests showing that number AT THE WHEELS. That's 370 Hyundai HP.

[wap]

Yeah, the Mk8 has something like 241 hp or thereabouts, which is a nice bump over the 228 hp of the 7.5, but still off the 276 (I think) of these H "N" cars.

These are basically going to be the same IRL number, IMHO, unless Hyundai has changed their ways or VW has changed theirs. Hyundai power ratings are always optimistic and almost all German manufacturers underrate their engines. Curb weight and quarter mile times will tell the most truth other than side by side dyno comparisons.

Yep, as TK noted above, VW has a history of under-rating the powah of the GTI. I know the Mk6 made more than 200 hp stock and judging by how much faster my 7.5 is, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes more than 228. No idea on H ,

Could it just be a case of VW reporting crank hp vs wheel, as others do (if that's what others do)?

[Desertbreh]

These are basically going to be the same IRL number, IMHO, unless Hyundai has changed their ways or VW has changed theirs. Hyundai power ratings are always optimistic and almost all German manufacturers underrate their engines. Curb weight and quarter mile times will tell the most truth other than side by side dyno comparisons.

Yep, as TK noted above, VW has a history of under-rating the powah of the GTI. I know the Mk6 made more than 200 hp stock and judging by how much faster my 7.5 is, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes more than 228. No idea on H ,

Could it just be a case of VW reporting crank hp vs wheel, as others do (if that's what others do)?

Everybody reports crank hp AFAIK. Hyundai quarter mile times never quite back up their numbers.

[MexicanYarisTK]

These are basically going to be the same IRL number, IMHO, unless Hyundai has changed their ways or VW has changed theirs. Hyundai power ratings are always optimistic and almost all German manufacturers underrate their engines. Curb weight and quarter mile times will tell the most truth other than side by side dyno comparisons.

Yep, as TK noted above, VW has a history of under-rating the powah of the GTI. I know the Mk6 made more than 200 hp stock and judging by how much faster my 7.5 is, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes more than 228. No idea on H ,

Could it just be a case of VW reporting crank hp vs wheel, as others do (if that's what others do)?

I would definitely assume the same for BMW as well. For instance, the previous gen pre-facelift 3 series had the following as advertised. 320i: 180 hp, 328i: 240 hp and 335i n55: 300hp. Almost seems like most of their rating ends with either 0 or 5, until recently.

Also before my mk6, I came from a 200 hp car (04 TSX) and my mk6 being 200 stock, they’re both completely different animals. It doesn’t weigh that different either.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Yep, as TK noted above, VW has a history of under-rating the powah of the GTI. I know the Mk6 made more than 200 hp stock and judging by how much faster my 7.5 is, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes more than 228. No idea on H ,

Could it just be a case of VW reporting crank hp vs wheel, as others do (if that's what others do)?

Everybody reports crank hp AFAIK. Hyundai quarter mile times never quite back up their numbers.

[CaleDeRoo]

Yep, as TK noted above, VW has a history of under-rating the powah of the GTI. I know the Mk6 made more than 200 hp stock and judging by how much faster my 7.5 is, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes more than 228. No idea on H ,

Could it just be a case of VW reporting crank hp vs wheel, as others do (if that's what others do)?

Everybody reports crank hp AFAIK. Hyundai quarter mile times never quite back up their numbers.

The current gen is different. The Dual clutch Veloster N (276hp) did the 1/4 mi in 13.4s at 105mph with car and driver. The H/K cars seem to perform exactly as advertised, but the Germans still over perform

[wap]

This looks legit
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022 ... C22DFED2FA

500 miles range, legit great interior, interesting looks. This should put Elon on notice, but will it?

Some quotes I found particularly interesting:

The rear motor of the Model S Long Range weighs 295 pounds and produces 430 horsepower, for a power density of 1.46 hp per pound. The Air uses the same motor front and rear; each weighs 163 pounds yet makes 670 horsepower (and spins at 20,000 rpm) for a power density of 4.11 hp per pound. That's nearly three times better. Also, unlike Tesla, Lucid bothered to put a proper interior in its car.

The interior is another matter entirely. Wow. Whereas every Tesla since day one has seemingly shipped without a finished interior, Lucid not only crafted a perfectly wonderful luxury-car cabin, but it also smartly avoided the screens über alles aesthetic that plagues cars like the Mercedes EQS.

This isn't just a great interior for an electric vehicle—it's one of the nicest interiors in the car world. Also, there are physical controls for fan speed, temperature, volume, and the dome light.

But what a fantastic machine Lucid has created. Once we arrived, my limo still had 30 miles of range on the clock, and Rawlinson's car amazingly had 72. This meant my 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition R had the potential to go 475 miles, whereas Rawlinson's could have traveled 517 miles on a single charge. That's a gauntlet dropped at the feet of you know who.

$170k

[D Griff]

That thing is fuckin' sweet looking. Don't want for $170K

[MrH42]

The Lucid Air is legit. They have a solid team of real car dudes. I was just concerned they'd run out of cash before getting to production, but sounds like they got there. This is honestly the direction Tesla should have gone: luxury, performance EVs. The Model 3/Y will ultimately play out as a bad decision. New generations of the Model S and X would have been a better bet.

[CaleDeRoo]

I drove my friend's slightly modified E46 325 while in Chicago and now I really want a E46 330. I could absolutely feel the 500lbs that were missing from the S4.

[D Griff]

I drove my friend's slightly modified E46 325 while in Chicago and now I really want a E46 330. I could absolutely feel the 500lbs that were missing from the S4.

There is a 330 ZHP in red with the same wheels I have in my neighborhood, That thing is