Car Talk 5: The Juice is Loose!

[D Griff]

This is awesome... I am a broken record... but why no

I would consider stretching for one if it had the manual, that would deliver just about everything.

I don't think the old IS-Fs even came with a manual.

but a man can dream, no?

[Desertbreh]

They made some early IS250s con Manuel.

Yep, and that was it.

In terms of a high performance sedan, the introduction of that Lexus pretty much puts the Germans on the trailer. Screaming NA 470 horse V8 with Toyota reliability? That's an E90 M3 engine with more power and MADE OF ALUMINUM, not glass. I'm going to go check it out.

[Desertbreh]

Yeah that thing is basically a brand new ISF. It's classy looking, the RCF is too much.

I'm liking the evolution of the spindle design era - they've toned things down a bit. The reunification of the headlight elements looks great.

Fully Agreed.

[CaleDeRoo]

Gas prices schmas prices. Gimme dis!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3554 ... -revealed/

This is awesome... I am a broken record... but why no

I would consider stretching for one if it had the manual, that would deliver just about everything.

New M3 will get a on the rwd model

[D Griff]

This is awesome... I am a broken record... but why no

I would consider stretching for one if it had the manual, that would deliver just about everything.

New M3 will get a on the rwd model

Although why I said that, I cannot stretch to $70K

Stretching is like... $40K.

[max225]

New M3 will get a on the rwd model

Although why I said that, I cannot stretch to $70K

Stretching is like... $40K.

New M cars are pricy buggers for sure

[D Griff]

Although why I said that, I cannot stretch to $70K

Stretching is like... $40K.

New M cars are pricy buggers for sure

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

[Desertbreh]

New M cars are pricy buggers for sure

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

ATS-V is a hot car once get past the 3 dollar gauge cluster.

[Desertbreh]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Cadillac- ... Sw7axgF0sx



Automatic doe.

And Salvage! I'll see myself out.

[max225]

New M cars are pricy buggers for sure

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

How is that M engine holding up over time ? I read about a bearing failing on some even when I had my F80, it has been quite a bit of time and these things were ragged on for a few more years. I am curious if the S55 has gotten some flaws or if it is still pretty good.

The maintenance is pretty atrocious for the M cars... that's not something I would take to the dealer for sure.
$730 air filter charges have me quite annoyed to be honest. The parts/service costs are just out of this world.

[Irish]

Dat Acura is but too for me ..... If ima spend that much I'm gonna badgewhoor .... Beama, poorsche ...... Truth is, I really dont think I will ever shell out that much for a car...

[max225]

Only way to make money on cars for me... bought a model Y long range this morning in Tesla stock... now I have an extra 5k before 8am...

[D Griff]

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

How is that M engine holding up over time ? I read about a bearing failing on some even when I had my F80, it has been quite a bit of time and these things were ragged on for a few more years. I am curious if the S55 has gotten some flaws or if it is still pretty good.

The maintenance is pretty atrocious for the M cars... that's not something I would take to the dealer for sure.
$730 air filter charges have me quite annoyed to be honest. The parts/service costs are just out of this world.

I haven't really looked into them, TBH. I would really prefer the E90 if the F80 has similar maintenance "issues". ATS-V is likely a much more reliable/low maintenance car than any of them because it's a GM.

I have already owned a BMW and never once set foot in the , I would never. I think servicing a vehicle at a dealer post warranty is fucking insane, I question anyone who does it.

[max225]

How is that M engine holding up over time ? I read about a bearing failing on some even when I had my F80, it has been quite a bit of time and these things were ragged on for a few more years. I am curious if the S55 has gotten some flaws or if it is still pretty good.

The maintenance is pretty atrocious for the M cars... that's not something I would take to the dealer for sure.
$730 air filter charges have me quite annoyed to be honest. The parts/service costs are just out of this world.

I haven't really looked into them, TBH. I would really prefer the E90 if the F80 has similar maintenance "issues". ATS-V is likely a much more reliable/low maintenance car than any of them because it's a GM.

I have already owned a BMW and never once set foot in the , I would never. I think servicing a vehicle at a dealer post warranty is fucking insane, I question anyone who does it.

The weird part is .. it makes sense for some brands.
My mini maintenance costs at the stealer are reasonable. Same goes for Toyota. But M cars... Jesus fuckballs

[D Griff]

I haven't really looked into them, TBH. I would really prefer the E90 if the F80 has similar maintenance "issues". ATS-V is likely a much more reliable/low maintenance car than any of them because it's a GM.

I have already owned a BMW and never once set foot in the , I would never. I think servicing a vehicle at a dealer post warranty is fucking insane, I question anyone who does it.

The weird part is .. it makes sense for some brands.
My mini maintenance costs at the stealer are reasonable. Same goes for Toyota. But M cars... Jesus fuckballs

Cost is only one part of the equation for me. I find that it is extremely inconvenient - you have to schedule a time around your work schedule, drive there, either wait/arrange a ride/get a Lyft. I also don't appreciate the upsell attempts for stuff like "injector cleaning" (recent one when took the Beep Beep for a free oil change). I can simply work on cars myself for less money, often times less headache, and not a ton more time. I am not a pro but still likely better than most of the "pros". If it's not something I can tackle, there are several indies I can take my car to and just walk home, it's far easier and generally cheaper. They also just do what you ask them to typically without a bunch of stupid red tape.

[max225]

The weird part is .. it makes sense for some brands.
My mini maintenance costs at the stealer are reasonable. Same goes for Toyota. But M cars... Jesus fuckballs

Cost is only one part of the equation for me. I find that it is extremely inconvenient - you have to schedule a time around your work schedule, drive there, either wait/arrange a ride/get a Lyft. I also don't appreciate the upsell attempts for stuff like "injector cleaning" (recent one when took the Beep Beep for a free oil change). I can simply work on cars myself for less money, often times less headache, and not a ton more time. I am not a pro but still likely better than most of the "pros". If it's not something I can tackle, there are several indies I can take my car to and just walk home, it's far easier and generally cheaper. They also just do what you ask them to typically without a bunch of stupid red tape.

[Huckleberry]

New M cars are pricy buggers for sure

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

Gotta love that Caddy depreciation.

I would absolutely daily an ATS-V sedan.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I am kind of into the F80 right now actually, they seem to be sub $40K which is

ATS-V can also be had for $35K

It seems no one wants pretty new super sedans.

Gotta love that Caddy depreciation.

I would absolutely daily an ATS-V sedan.

I'd prefer a coupe, but agreed 100%.

[CaleDeRoo]

I wouldn't get an ats-v unless it was 10k+ cheaper than a m3

[Desertbreh]

I wouldn't get an ats-v unless it was 10k+ cheaper than a m3

There are a grand total of nine ATS-Vs con on Autotrader.

2018 with 504 miles for $52.7K, the most esspensive

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... pe=listing

2016 with 33K for $32K the cheapest by a large margin, next one up is $38K.

The 2016 looks pretty nice, $20,000 off vs. "new" It is also a "hot car" :flames:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =spotlight

Dunno about these but they are fast, look good on the outside, come with awesome seats and you can clean boogers and dead skin off the dash with windex. And probably cost very little to maintain vs. M.

[CaleDeRoo]

I wouldn't get an ats-v unless it was 10k+ cheaper than a m3

There are a grand total of nine ATS-Vs con on Autotrader.

2018 with 504 miles for $52.7K, the most esspensive

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... pe=listing

2016 with 33K for $32K the cheapest by a large margin, next one up is $38K.

The 2016 looks pretty nice, $20,000 off vs. "new" It is also a "hot car" :flames:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =spotlight

Dunno about these but they are fast, look good on the outside, come with awesome seats and you can clean boogers and dead skin off the dash with windex. And probably cost very little to maintain vs. M.

I like how the ATS-V sedan looks, but IMO the M3 looks even better, has a more usable, and nicer looking interior, more trunk space, is a whole adult male lighter, iDrive > that gen of CUE, and much more aftermarket support. Not necessarily for mods but also maintenance and repairs. To me all of that is worth the money over an ATS-V

[CaleDeRoo]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022 ... but-range/



This car is legit cool.

[wap]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022 ... but-range/



This car is legit cool.

Oh wow.
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[max225]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022 ... but-range/



This car is legit cool.

I do really like it as well. But it seems to look a lot like an Audi A3.

[wap]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2022 ... but-range/



This car is legit cool.

I do really like it as well. But it seems to look a lot like an Audi A3.

I thought of the A2