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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:00 am
Huckleberry wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:57 am

He won't get anywhere near that. Last summer, there was a 280Z that was from Nevada, completely redone with 240Z bumpers, and an LT4/T5 on Craigslist for $15K. That car sat for months on end and it looked absolutely pristine with full documentation of the restoration and build.

That guy wanting $11K for a beat car with a non-running SBC bolted in is retarded.
Pretty much..

This was in my inbox today: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-41/

1970 240Z.
Accident way back.
Repainted red from a kind of rare yellow.
Yea... similar exterior condition :doe: but those cars are complete turds from the factory.
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D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:02 am
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Cross country would be wild ... it’s currently getting some minor work done at a shop and I can refresh my memory of it once I’m breaking it in.
Definitely in4more info. I am sort of seriously thinking about this... kinda the only thing that would be a real, worthwhile upgrade from the C5 to me, without spending a bunch of money. That said, the extra $10K I'd likely have to throw on top is kind of :disgust: .
Will keep you posted, dude just found out wife is pregs, and the car has been in storage at this shop for 2 years almost, he called em up to finish up some work and get stuff settled.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:55 am https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2010-bmw-335d-2/

Holy fuck someone blew a ton of cash building this thing. 454 hp 732 torx diesel wagon with M3 suspension. :mindblown:
Dang - I kinda want this.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:34 pm
Huckleberry wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:57 pm

Sigh...

Gen IV 5.3: $800-$1000
Gen III 5.3: $500
If you pay any more than $1500 for an LS1 longblock nowadays, you're a fool.

AR5 trans: $700
Bellhousing adapter: $400
4l60E bellhousing: $80
LS7 clutch kit: $400

Holley Terminator X standalone ECU and harness: $1000
OR convert the factory LS harness to standalone and disable VATS on the existing computer.

Radiator: $250
16" Spal Fan: $100

C5 fuel filter/regulator: $50
-6AN pushlock line and fittings: $150
Fuel pump: $100

Swap brackets and mounts: $400
Exhaust: $500
Driveshaft: $500

So, I'm at around $5900 to do the swap, and that's allocating a grand for the engine and not searching for deals. For example, I have the swap brackets and mounts already that I scored for $100, and I have a line on a Gen III 5.3 that is wrapped up on an engine stand and looking for a new home.

In order to replicate your friend's car? I have no idea because I don't know what is in it, but to just do an LS swap? It won't be anywhere near $25-$30K.
Also, hardly anyone ever recoups their modification money selling the car as a whole.
Right so .... what’s your all in cost to make an ls1 one, not a 5.3 with a 5 speed. We’re talking ls1/t56 + shell etc. you’re missing tons of parts like brakes/gauges/wheels and tires etc.

I am not saying mods need to be recouped just looking for fair market value. I have 0 skin in the game so I :aintcare:

The going rate for decent ls swapped cars here was 20-40k depending on body condition and swap quality.
So, based off this quick search Craigslist listing: https://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/d/ ... 17943.html

I can either subtract $2580 from the $5900 and add $3000 (if I paid full asking price), or I can subtract the Holley standalone since that ad includes the harness and computer for a total of $3580 before adding back in the $3000 for the LS1/T56 combo. So, let's just call it a break-even ordeal. The LS1 is old news at this point, and I would prefer to do an all-aluminum 5.3 instead because I forego a small amount of displacement in exchange for better flowing heads and a much better intake.

Brakes, suspension, etc. are outside of a swap. They aren't necessary to get the motor in and running. I think the break in communication is I read your statement as "$25-$30K just to do an LS swap," which isn't the case. It may cost $25-$30K just to build the car your friend has, but again, swaps generally don't command the same price as an original car just because no one knows if any fuckery went on during the swap. If the person who did the work was a total hack, then you're potentially buying a nightmare.
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4zilch wrote:
troyguitar wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:55 am https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2010-bmw-335d-2/

Holy fuck someone blew a ton of cash building this thing. 454 hp 732 torx diesel wagon with M3 suspension. :mindblown:
Dang - I kinda want this.
:dat:

It's the kind of thing that people think about building but never really do when they see the costs.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:17 am
4zilch wrote:
Dang - I kinda want this.
:dat:

It's the kind of thing that people think about building but never really do when they see the costs.
Exactly.

I just wish I didn't have strong feelings about buying other people's projects.

Although this looks like it was quite well done.
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4zilch wrote:
troyguitar wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:17 am :dat:

It's the kind of thing that people think about building but never really do when they see the costs.
Exactly.

I just wish I didn't have strong feelings about buying other people's projects.

Although this looks like it was quite well done.
:word:

Luckily I don't want a diesel or an auto plus it'll be more than I can afford anyway. If it had the M3 engine (or, better yet, the M5 V10) con :manuel: or at least DCT that might be different. Probably not :doe:

Dreams are so much more fun than reality.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:05 am
D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:02 am

Definitely in4more info. I am sort of seriously thinking about this... kinda the only thing that would be a real, worthwhile upgrade from the C5 to me, without spending a bunch of money. That said, the extra $10K I'd likely have to throw on top is kind of :disgust: .
Will keep you posted, dude just found out wife is pregs, and the car has been in storage at this shop for 2 years almost, he called em up to finish up some work and get stuff settled.
Thanks man. Would be quite stupid but epic to just buy this thing, fly over, drive cross country, then have a really cool car for a few years I hopefully won't lose my ass on. Likely a pipe dream but :iono:
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:00 am
Huckleberry wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:57 am

He won't get anywhere near that. Last summer, there was a 280Z that was from Nevada, completely redone with 240Z bumpers, and an LT4/T5 on Craigslist for $15K. That car sat for months on end and it looked absolutely pristine with full documentation of the restoration and build.

That guy wanting $11K for a beat car with a non-running SBC bolted in is retarded.
Pretty much..

This was in my inbox today: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-41/

1970 240Z.
Accident way back.
Repainted red from a kind of rare yellow.
Comments go :fullretard: in BAT auctions.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:51 am
max225 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:05 am

Will keep you posted, dude just found out wife is pregs, and the car has been in storage at this shop for 2 years almost, he called em up to finish up some work and get stuff settled.
Thanks man. Would be quite stupid but epic to just buy this thing, fly over, drive cross country, then have a really cool car for a few years I hopefully won't lose my ass on. Likely a pipe dream but :iono:
:doit: before :baby: and whatnot ruins your chance at it for the next 30 years.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:02 am
D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:51 am

Thanks man. Would be quite stupid but epic to just buy this thing, fly over, drive cross country, then have a really cool car for a few years I hopefully won't lose my ass on. Likely a pipe dream but :iono:
:doit: before :baby: and whatnot ruins your chance at it for the next 30 years.
:rolleyes:

:baby: is only :baby: for a few years. The disadvantage is that realistically if I have :baby: the C5 would be a lot easier to keep around than something like this Datsun.

If I Datsun'd it would likely have to go with a :baby: and then I'd probably just one car it with a Hype R for a few years.
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D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:51 am
max225 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:05 am

Will keep you posted, dude just found out wife is pregs, and the car has been in storage at this shop for 2 years almost, he called em up to finish up some work and get stuff settled.
Thanks man. Would be quite stupid but epic to just buy this thing, fly over, drive cross country, then have a really cool car for a few years I hopefully won't lose my ass on. Likely a pipe dream but :iono:
You would probably end up appreciating the fake sport way more as a DD and not want to :plac: the thing anymore. Consider it an even trade then.
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D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:21 am
Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:02 am
:doit: before :baby: and whatnot ruins your chance at it for the next 30 years.
:rolleyes:

:baby: is only :baby: for a few years. The disadvantage is that realistically if I have :baby: the C5 would be a lot easier to keep around than something like this Datsun.

If I Datsun'd it would likely have to go with a :baby: and then I'd probably just one car it with a Hype R for a few years.
That's my point...have the fun car while you can until you're forced into a one car scenario.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:25 am
D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:51 am

Thanks man. Would be quite stupid but epic to just buy this thing, fly over, drive cross country, then have a really cool car for a few years I hopefully won't lose my ass on. Likely a pipe dream but :iono:
You would probably end up appreciating the fake sport way more as a DD and not want to :plac: the thing anymore. Consider it an even trade then.
Probably. It's more of a road trip car at this point, I drive the C5 to work like 50% of the time at least. It'll be less in winter and stuff :doe:
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D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 am
CaleDeRoo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:25 am

You would probably end up appreciating the fake sport way more as a DD and not want to :plac: the thing anymore. Consider it an even trade then.
Probably. It's more of a road trip car at this point, I drive the C5 to work like 50% of the time at least. It'll be less in winter and stuff :doe:
The C5 is too good of a daily to appreciate the BMW as such. The Z? Absolutely not.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:44 am
D Griff wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 am

Probably. It's more of a road trip car at this point, I drive the C5 to work like 50% of the time at least. It'll be less in winter and stuff :doe:
The C5 is too good of a daily to appreciate the BMW as such. The Z? Absolutely not.
The C5 is a surprisingly good daily if the roads you drive on aren't horrible.
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I don't think I'd go as far as "good" but with the suspension raised up and a BT head unit, it's certainly passable. Honestly, the BMW was kind of a stupid purchase, but when I got it my commute was over 2X as far and then :tits: pulled the surprise :haus: :plac:
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:01 am
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:00 am

Pretty much..

This was in my inbox today: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-datsun-240z-41/

1970 240Z.
Accident way back.
Repainted red from a kind of rare yellow.
Comments go :fullretard: in BAT auctions.
Car collectors are so petty its amazing.
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Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:35 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:01 am
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Car collectors are so petty its amazing.
Takes the fun out of it IMO.
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Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:35 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:01 am
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Car collectors are so petty its amazing.
You should see some of the reactions I've received from putting BMW seats in my dad's 64 Impala.
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Huckleberry wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:43 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:35 pm

Car collectors are so petty its amazing.
You should see some of the reactions I've received from putting BMW seats in my dad's 64 Impala.
You ruined it :howdareu: seats don’t have the yellowed GM quality control inspector #8 sticker underneath the left side rail clearly not worth asking price.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:30 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:35 pm

Car collectors are so petty its amazing.
Takes the fun out of it IMO.
It’s not original paint it’s not worth buying. I dunno to me on an old ass car that’s a good thing.
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Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:15 pm
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Takes the fun out of it IMO.
It’s not original paint it’s not worth buying. I dunno to me on an old ass car that’s a good thing.
Totally agree.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:18 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:15 pm

It’s not original paint it’s not worth buying. I dunno to me on an old ass car that’s a good thing.
Totally agree.
Yet I was catching shit about the ls swapped 240z and “mod pricing” has anyone driven a stock 6 cylinder z? It’s fucking terrible
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max225 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:26 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:18 pm
Totally agree.
Yet I was catching shit about the ls swapped 240z and “mod pricing” has anyone driven a stock 6 cylinder z? It’s fucking terrible
Of course...but pretty much all cars from that era are terrible.

The problem is, "collectors" are :fullretard: and want these things to be as terrible as they were when they rolled out of the plant. Improving it objectively makes it worse subjectively. It's ridiculous.
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