Car Talk 4: The Richard Hertz Rent-A-Car 500

[Johnny_P]

[max225]

Whatever the reasons, they've ensured that I won't buy one. I'm not paying almost 40% extra - all of which is instantly flushed down the toilet of depreciation because options add no resale value - for shit that I don't even want. That's not a minor expense.

Yep, totally get it. That's my concern with all of these initiatives. Forcing people to buy a bunch of shit they don't want to get the one feature they do will turn them off from the vehicle entirely. On a vehicle like the Mustang, with buyers who are highly passionate looking for the exact vehicle that fits what they want, you can't really mess with it too much.

Someone at Ford who has no idea what the car is and the target market decided that Recaros are a premium option and they're executing to that plan. Makes zero sense to us, but perfect sense to me as an industry douche considering how few people care about the things they're working on.

I've really grown to hate this industry.

mustang is the only product that seems to be outperforming everyone else in the Fraud lineup.

[troyguitar]

Easy to vote with your wallet when you make huge bank, get employee deals, and just want a truck like everyone else.

The best I can do is to not buy things that I can't afford in the hopes that maybe someone will make fun things that aren't $40k+ but that's not really helping. What else do I do, spend money I don't have on things that I don't really want?

The next time something comes out in your price range that's close enough to what you want, buy it.

Clearly the Mustang is off the list...and that's good. If sales drop, they'll need to get creative with product offering.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Easy to vote with your wallet when you make huge bank, get employee deals, and just want a truck like everyone else.

The best I can do is to not buy things that I can't afford in the hopes that maybe someone will make fun things that aren't $40k+ but that's not really helping. What else do I do, spend money I don't have on things that I don't really want?

The next time something comes out in your price range that's close enough to what you want, buy it.

Clearly the Mustang is off the list...and that's good. If sales drop, they'll need to get creative with product offering.

They already just got with their bullitt edition, what's next? a Gone in 60 seconds ed (first one with the yellow)

[troyguitar]

The rate at which prices are increasing, along with TRUCKMANIA, makes it such that there's likely to never be anything remotely close to what I want at a price that I can afford new. Never has been, probably never will be. I'm too poor and too skinny.

[fledonfoot]

Someone at Ford who has no idea what the car is and the target market decided that —

I’m going to stop you right there and remind you that someone at Ford decided that they didn’t need to sell CARS anymore.

[razr390]

Someone at Ford who has no idea what the car is and the target market decided that —

I’m going to stop you right there and remind you that someone at Ford decided that they didn’t need to sell CARS anymore.

Sir, please look at this Data!

[max225]

I’m going to stop you right there and remind you that someone at Ford decided that they didn’t need to sell CARS anymore.

Sir, please look at this Data!

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

[razr390]

Sir, please look at this Data!

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

talk about your clown car that way

[goIftdibrad]

Sir, please look at this Data!

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

That truth bomb

[D Griff]

Easy to vote with your wallet when you make huge bank, get employee deals, and just want a truck like everyone else.

The best I can do is to not buy things that I can't afford in the hopes that maybe someone will make fun things that aren't $40k+ but that's not really helping. What else do I do, spend money I don't have on things that I don't really want?

The next time something comes out in your price range that's close enough to what you want, buy it.

Clearly the Mustang is off the list...and that's good. If sales drop, they'll need to get creative with product offering.

I have serious thoughts about purchasing the next gen 86 because of this... but then it will launch and be compared to my and that will be that.

I should’ve bought the Si to at least #savethemanuals

[D Griff]

Sir, please look at this Data!

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

I've completely lost interest in sports cars. While I'd be sad if they go away, it's pretty much to me. The environment I live in is terrible for fun cars. I have zero desire for another one. I get more enjoyment out of the top off in a derping along

But for those bitching about their demise, look in the mirror if you haven't bought a new one recently.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Someone at Ford who has no idea what the car is and the target market decided that —

I’m going to stop you right there and remind you that someone at Ford decided that they didn’t need to sell CARS anymore.

Probably not the wrong decision considering how much vehicles cost to develop these days compared to the sales trends. Why invest billions into a declining segment? Objectively, it makes no sense.

[goIftdibrad]

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

I've completely lost interest in sports cars. While I'd be sad if they go away, it's pretty much to me. The environment I live in is terrible for fun cars. I have zero desire for another one. I get more enjoyment out of the top off in a derping along

But for those bitching about their demise, look in the mirror if you haven't bought a new one recently.

I'm sorry that most of our generation is squeezed financially in new and exciting ways that prevent most of us from buying a new car worth buying

[goIftdibrad]

I’m going to stop you right there and remind you that someone at Ford decided that they didn’t need to sell CARS anymore.

Probably not the wrong decision considering how much vehicles cost to develop these days compared to the sales trends. Why invest billions into a declining segment? Objectively, it makes no sense.

Globally cars still dominate.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Probably not the wrong decision considering how much vehicles cost to develop these days compared to the sales trends. Why invest billions into a declining segment? Objectively, it makes no sense.

Globally cars still dominate.

Look at the sales trends. Crossovers are gaining EVERYWHERE

[goIftdibrad]

Globally cars still dominate.

Look at the sales trends. Crossovers are gaining EVERYWHERE

Trends are just that.

Also a chicken and egg problem. Are people buying fewer cars because fewer cars are offered for sale?

[dubshow]

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

I nutted up and bought the on principles said here.

Also nearly everyone here has a cool car in garage. Very few have checked out of car world.

[4zilch]

They are not look at this forum and how a bunch of car guys driving the worst driving things since the horse drawn carriage

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

NVM - restated what was already said in the edit

[4zilch]

(Not directed at Max/Troy) but pot, meet kettle. Self proclaimed car bros who spend hours a week looking at cars on the web all drive

Basically synonymous with the other people’s should be euthanized hypocrisy.

Edit: I’m also no better buying used shit, not trying to point the finger at anyone really... but we have to understand and accept why things are the way they are. It’s honestly amazing there are so many fun options today.

I nutted up and bought the on principles said here.

Also nearly everyone here has a cool car in garage. Very few have checked out of car world.

but, nobody buys new (mostly), which is what manufacturers care about

[4zilch]

Probably not the wrong decision considering how much vehicles cost to develop these days compared to the sales trends. Why invest billions into a declining segment? Objectively, it makes no sense.

Globally cars still dominate.

dis. it's the only thing that keeps hope alive for the FiST in the US market...someday.

[CaleDeRoo]

We can all afford new cars when Trump makes them cheaper, safer, and run smoother.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I nutted up and bought the on principles said here.

Also nearly everyone here has a cool car in garage. Very few have checked out of car world.

but, nobody buys new (mostly), which is what manufacturers care about

[dubshow]

I nutted up and bought the on principles said here.

Also nearly everyone here has a cool car in garage. Very few have checked out of car world.

but, nobody buys new (mostly), which is what manufacturers care about

I guess? Mainly because its not affordable and the used market presents such a better

Being a "car guy" carries a lot of different meaning and crosses different segments. Rich/poor. DIY/pay for service. built/bought. etc.

Im pretty sure is literally the only person in here that meets that ideal target of buying a new "enthusiast" car ever 1-2 years. Let that sink in for his demographic. so 1 of 30ish people?