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[Johnny_P]

Part of me is really really curious how the STI would be with a tune for the throttle and different dampers that could soak up bullshit better. All my research leads me to not believe the hype, that all the suspension kits lower the car and would therefore increase spring rates and ultimately make it worse over bad roads...

Sigh. I won't do anything to it. I would entertain owning a next gen if it comes with an automatic that's any good.

Doesn't someone make a more rally-focused suspension setup? That would be

Rally means super stiff dampers and springs. So you can slam shit at high speed off road.

[4zilch]

Bilstein damping philosophy generally involves softish high-speed damping to "round off the corners" of a pothole strike. Low speed damping is pretty stiff - keeping the car pretty flat on braking and corner entry/exit.

Also, I think, generally speaking their coilover kits have progressive spring rates which adds to the plushness for the street.

edit: I should add that I have Bilstein shocks on the Fiesta - it was definitely a noticeable improvement in ride quality while improving handling characteristics

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Doesn't someone make a more rally-focused suspension setup? That would be

Rally means super stiff dampers and springs. So you can slam shit at high speed off road.

Huh? Usually off road suspension is soft to keep contact with varying roads.

[4zilch]

Rally means super stiff dampers and springs. So you can slam shit at high speed off road.

Huh? Usually off road suspension is soft to keep contact with varying roads.

It's both. Soft-ish highspeed damping, but stiff in the mid-stroke. It's like dirt bike suspension.

[dubshow]

Huh? Usually off road suspension is soft to keep contact with varying roads.

It's both. Soft-ish highspeed damping, but stiff in the mid-stroke. It's like dirt bike suspension.

[4zilch]

It's both. Soft-ish highspeed damping, but stiff in the mid-stroke. It's like dirt bike suspension.

[dubshow]

Doesn't someone make a more rally-focused suspension setup? That would be

Rally means super stiff dampers and springs. So you can slam shit at high speed off road.

get back in your Wrongler son. You're done here.

Classic rally isnt just "stiff". They have massive extended TRAVEL over typical OEM. The dampening also must be progressive and matched to travel. If the car is too stiff over tons of uneven/differing bumps it would get upset real fast. rally tuning suspension is very different than a stiff "street" or "race" setup.



Look at that massive travel!

What "rally" lite kits are avail for the WRX that increase your travel without hacking the car up?

[CaleDeRoo]

Bilstein damping philosophy generally involves softish high-speed damping to "round off the corners" of a pothole strike. Low speed damping is pretty stiff - keeping the car pretty flat on braking and corner entry/exit.

Also, I think, generally speaking their coilover kits have progressive spring rates which adds to the plushness for the street.

edit: I should add that I have Bilstein shocks on the Fiesta - it was definitely a noticeable improvement in ride quality while improving handling characteristics

MrH on here has Bilstein coilovers on his s2k and had them on his BRZ. Had nothing but good things to say about ride quality.

JP do you have 17's on your car?

[max225]

Yea pro suspensions are almost never stiff especially of the rally type. They usually start soft and get firm, also when the wheels are full droop (jump) usually the shocks are damped in a way to then go full stiff, to absorb the fall. Quite cool shit

[max225]

Bilstein damping philosophy generally involves softish high-speed damping to "round off the corners" of a pothole strike. Low speed damping is pretty stiff - keeping the car pretty flat on braking and corner entry/exit.

Also, I think, generally speaking their coilover kits have progressive spring rates which adds to the plushness for the street.

edit: I should add that I have Bilstein shocks on the Fiesta - it was definitely a noticeable improvement in ride quality while improving handling characteristics

MrH on here has Bilstein coilovers on his s2k and had them on his BRZ. Had nothing but good things to say about ride quality.

JP do you have 17's on your car?

At least 18s

[CaleDeRoo]

MrH on here has Bilstein coilovers on his s2k and had them on his BRZ. Had nothing but good things to say about ride quality.

JP do you have 17's on your car?

At least 18s

The 17" forged BBS wheels from '05-07 will fit on his car and allow more sidewall. Combine with Bilstein dampers and it should be at least 50% better probably. Subaru factory damping just isn't good.

[Johnny_P]

Bilstein damping philosophy generally involves softish high-speed damping to "round off the corners" of a pothole strike. Low speed damping is pretty stiff - keeping the car pretty flat on braking and corner entry/exit.

Also, I think, generally speaking their coilover kits have progressive spring rates which adds to the plushness for the street.

edit: I should add that I have Bilstein shocks on the Fiesta - it was definitely a noticeable improvement in ride quality while improving handling characteristics

MrH on here has Bilstein coilovers on his s2k and had them on his BRZ. Had nothing but good things to say about ride quality.

JP do you have 17's on your car?

18" stock wheels with summer rubber
17" winter wheels with horrific snow tires

[Johnny_P]

At least 18s

The 17" forged BBS wheels from '05-07 will fit on his car and allow more sidewall. Combine with Bilstein dampers and it should be at least 50% better probably. Subaru factory damping just isn't good.

The 17s ride like complete dog shit on the stock suspension. Way way way too many undamped oscillations from the sidewalls, the ride never relaxes. Might be better with stiffer sidewall tires.

Factory damping does leave something to be desired for low speed driving. High speed driving they're f'ing perfect.

[Johnny_P]

Rally means super stiff dampers and springs. So you can slam shit at high speed off road.

get back in your Wrongler son. You're done here.

Classic rally isnt just "stiff". They have massive extended TRAVEL over typical OEM. The dampening also must be progressive and matched to travel. If the car is too stiff over tons of uneven/differing bumps it would get upset real fast. rally tuning suspension is very different than a stiff "street" or "race" setup.



Look at that massive travel!

What "rally" lite kits are avail for the WRX that increase your travel without hacking the car up?

I have no idea what's available. That Reiger suspension is probably $10k though.
We've been down this road before though. All the coilover kits available lower the car with significantly stiffer springs, there is no way that will ride better than my car currently does. I'd be fine with the stock springs I just want more body control during low speed driving.
The dampers themselves are awesome at high speed though, they smooth out and hardly ever bottom out harshly. Unfortunately I don't do much high speed driving.

[4zilch]

get back in your Wrongler son. You're done here.

Classic rally isnt just "stiff". They have massive extended TRAVEL over typical OEM. The dampening also must be progressive and matched to travel. If the car is too stiff over tons of uneven/differing bumps it would get upset real fast. rally tuning suspension is very different than a stiff "street" or "race" setup.



Look at that massive travel!

What "rally" lite kits are avail for the WRX that increase your travel without hacking the car up?

I have no idea what's available. That Reiger suspension is probably $10k though.
We've been down this road before though. All the coilover kits available lower the car with significantly stiffer springs, there is no way that will ride better than my car currently does. I'd be fine with the stock springs I just want more body control during low speed driving.
The dampers themselves are awesome at high speed though, they smooth out and hardly ever bottom out harshly. Unfortunately I don't do much high speed driving.

Bilstein B6 w/ stock springs

[Johnny_P]

I have no idea what's available. That Reiger suspension is probably $10k though.
We've been down this road before though. All the coilover kits available lower the car with significantly stiffer springs, there is no way that will ride better than my car currently does. I'd be fine with the stock springs I just want more body control during low speed driving.
The dampers themselves are awesome at high speed though, they smooth out and hardly ever bottom out harshly. Unfortunately I don't do much high speed driving.

Bilstein B6 w/ stock springs

I might look at an S4. Want an automatic.

[troyguitar]

http://fealsuspension.com/feal-coilovers/#feal-4

441+ Max Travel w/ whatever spring rate your heart desires for $1700... We have indeed been over this before.

[max225]

http://fealsuspension.com/feal-coilovers/#feal-4

441+ Max Travel w/ whatever spring rate your heart desires for $1700... We have indeed been over this before.

Is there a NOFEAL option?

[4zilch]

Bilstein B6 w/ stock springs

I might look at an S4. Want an automatic.

[Johnny_P]

http://fealsuspension.com/feal-coilovers/#feal-4

441+ Max Travel w/ whatever spring rate your heart desires for $1700... We have indeed been over this before.

Yep we have. And my same exact response happened last time as is happening this time. I don't care because it's not happening. I'm not dropping $1700 + install (because city) on a science experiment based on forumbro vape reviews that likely ride worse and will lower the value of my car.

[4zilch]

http://fealsuspension.com/feal-coilovers/#feal-4

441+ Max Travel w/ whatever spring rate your heart desires for $1700... We have indeed been over this before.

Yep we have. And my same exact response happened last time as is happening this time. I don't care because it's not happening. I'm not dropping $1700 + install (because city) on a science experiment based on forumbro vape reviews that likely ride worse and will lower the value of my car.

So, do nothing and continue to moan about STi ride quality on Philly streets?

[Johnny_P]

Yep we have. And my same exact response happened last time as is happening this time. I don't care because it's not happening. I'm not dropping $1700 + install (because city) on a science experiment based on forumbro vape reviews that likely ride worse and will lower the value of my car.

So, do nothing and continue to moan about STi ride quality on Philly streets?

Get a different car. One with an automatic like I want.

[Apex]

So, do nothing and continue to moan about STi ride quality on Philly streets?

Get a different car in 2021

[dubshow]

Yep we have. And my same exact response happened last time as is happening this time. I don't care because it's not happening. I'm not dropping $1700 + install (because city) on a science experiment based on forumbro vape reviews that likely ride worse and will lower the value of my car.

So, do nothing and continue to moan about STi ride quality on Philly streets?

[Johnny_P]

Clearly nobody has been following my actual thoughts on the car but it's cool. I'm only here for entertainment purposes anyway.