They'll easily do that. Due to the high compression they make good power with E85. Basically nothing but an E85 conversion on an otherwise stock motor minus the tumble valve and EGR deletes will push over 300whp. The stock turbo quarter mile record is in the low 11s.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:27 pm12.9 on a stock "turbo" WRX? That sounds wayyyy too fast. That felt like a mid 14 second car at best without an anus/clutch shattering lunch at 6000rpm.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:26 pm Trap speed is all that matters to me on a street car. My friend's WRX ran a 12.9s on stock turdbro. Sounds like a fast car right? Trap speed was 103mph. It front halfed hard but all that shows is even a stock C5 would show it's taillights from a roll on the highway or something. You'll have to get the TMOD 5% reduction shifter to get the ET and trap speed up.
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Low 11s on a car that was designed to be in mid 14s? Does the stock clutch even hold up to that ? Doesn't it just heat soak to shit after 1 ruN?coogles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:56 pmThey'll easily do that. Due to the high compression they make a TON of power with E85. Basically nothing but an E85 conversion on an otherwise stock motor minus the tumble valve and EGR deletes will push over 300whp. The stock turbo quarter mile record is in the low 11s.
Also E85... is not super easy to get.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a1 ... st-review/
So stock it is 14.2 @98 according to C&D which aligns with my anus meter.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/ ... st-review/ also in mid 14s...
I can't imagine shaving 3 seconds off that time... that's like adding 300hp
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No it does not. Neither is the stock 6 speed likely to hold up to that with repeated hard driving. STi 6 speed swap is not uncommon for those who build up the FA20.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:02 pmLow 11s on a car that was designed to be in mid 14s? Does the stock clutch even hold up to that ? Doesn't it just heat soak to shit after 1 ruN?coogles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:56 pm
They'll easily do that. Due to the high compression they make a TON of power with E85. Basically nothing but an E85 conversion on an otherwise stock motor minus the tumble valve and EGR deletes will push over 300whp. The stock turbo quarter mile record is in the low 11s.
Also E85... is not super easy to get.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a1 ... st-review/
So stock it is 14.2 @98 according to C&D which aligns with my anus meter.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/ ... st-review/ also in mid 14s...
I can't imagine shaving 3 seconds off that time... that's like adding 300hp
E85...depends on where you are. Plus, errybody does Flex Fuel so the tune adjusts on the fly. Fill with 91/93 whenever E85 isn't available and don't worry about it.
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That seems like a lot of modz and money to get to this placecoogles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:04 pmNo it does not. Neither is the stock 6 speed likely to hold up to that with repeated hard driving. STi 6 speed swap is not uncommon for those who build up the FA20.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:02 pm
Low 11s on a car that was designed to be in mid 14s? Does the stock clutch even hold up to that ? Doesn't it just heat soak to shit after 1 ruN?
Also E85... is not super easy to get.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a1 ... st-review/
So stock it is 14.2 @98 according to C&D which aligns with my anus meter.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/ ... st-review/ also in mid 14s...
I can't imagine shaving 3 seconds off that time... that's like adding 300hp
E85...depends on where you are. Plus, errybody does Flex Fuel so the tune adjusts on the fly. Fill with 91/93 whenever E85 isn't available and don't worry about it.
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WORLD RECORDmax225 wrote:That seems like a lot of modz and money to get to this placecoogles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:04 pm No it does not. Neither is the stock 6 speed likely to hold up to that with repeated hard driving. STi 6 speed swap is not uncommon for those who build up the FA20.
E85...depends on where you are. Plus, errybody does Flex Fuel so the tune adjusts on the fly. Fill with 91/93 whenever E85 isn't available and don't worry about it.
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Well sure, any platform is expensive if you mod it to the . But an FA20 making 320whp with basically nothing but an Accessport and a Flex Fuel kit is a pretty damn good bang for your buck, IMO.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:10 pmThat seems like a lot of modz and money to get to this placecoogles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:04 pm
No it does not. Neither is the stock 6 speed likely to hold up to that with repeated hard driving. STi 6 speed swap is not uncommon for those who build up the FA20.
E85...depends on where you are. Plus, errybody does Flex Fuel so the tune adjusts on the fly. Fill with 91/93 whenever E85 isn't available and don't worry about it.
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Stock turbo but tunezzz new trans and clutch ....troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:12 pmWORLD RECORDmax225 wrote:
That seems like a lot of modz and money to get to this place
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Yea, very good point.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:26 pm Trap speed is all that matters to me on a street car. My friend's WRX ran a 12.9s on stock turdbro. Sounds like a fast car right? Trap speed was 103mph. It front halfed hard but all that shows is even a stock C5 would show it's taillights from a roll on the highway or something. You'll have to get the TMOD 5% reduction shifter to get the ET and trap speed up.
My car's shifter is a freak...it might be the nicest mostly stock C5 shifter in existence. I can bang shift it no problem pretty fast. Stock everything but the TMod box. I'm not going to touch it.
Car was built to take it too...I really don't drive it anywhere near it's potential.
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It made 280 to the wheels on stock turbo with full bolt ons and a pro tune. His car is 2011. The new FA20 as stated makes power easier, and I'd get an accessport and tune anyways, even without a tune it's a great way to monitor what the car is doing.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:27 pm12.9 on a stock "turbo" WRX? That sounds wayyyy too fast. That felt like a mid 14 second car at best without an anus/clutch shattering lunch at 6000rpm.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:26 pm Trap speed is all that matters to me on a street car. My friend's WRX ran a 12.9s on stock turdbro. Sounds like a fast car right? Trap speed was 103mph. It front halfed hard but all that shows is even a stock C5 would show it's taillights from a roll on the highway or something. You'll have to get the TMOD 5% reduction shifter to get the ET and trap speed up.
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12.9 with 280 wheel... ? Does he have a fully stripped interior?
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If you’re willing to tune, the FA20 is the better motor. It will take to mods better than the EJ despite the monstrous aftermarket for the EJ.
If I was willing to tune I would have bought the WRX as the only reason I went STI was the better engine.
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Looks like MAP claims their 91 octane tune makes 252whp. They don't give a comparison to a stock car, but the Cobb 91 octane tune made 227whp on their dyno.
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Depends on how far you want to go, IMO, and whether or not you have access to E85. If you only have access to 91 and just want a tune or a tune with a few bolt-ons, the EJ is going to make more power. With E85 it's a whole different ball game and the FA responds much better. 400whp or more is possible on a stock turbo FA20, whereas a stock turbo EJ257 will max out around 350whp on E85.
I know this isn't Max, but if you're doing a out 500whp+ build, the EJ again is better not only because of the gearbox, but because no one has really pushed the FA past that yet. It's stupid money, but at least people have been there and done that with the EJ.
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I think companies like Out Front Motorsports has closed deck FA blocks now so really it shouldn't be much different than an EJ build at this point.coogles wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 amDepends on how far you want to go, IMO, and whether or not you have access to E85. If you only have access to 91 and just want a tune or a tune with a few bolt-ons, the EJ is going to make more power. With E85 it's a whole different ball game and the FA responds much better. 400whp or more is possible on a stock turbo FA20, whereas a stock turbo EJ257 will max out around 350whp on E85.
I know this isn't Max, but if you're doing a out 500whp+ build, the EJ again is better not only because of the gearbox, but because no one has really pushed the FA past that yet. It's stupid money, but at least people have been there and done that with the EJ.
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Is there any side effect to the tune ? Can anyone flash back to stock ? Can the tell ?coogles wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 amDepends on how far you want to go, IMO, and whether or not you have access to E85. If you only have access to 91 and just want a tune or a tune with a few bolt-ons, the EJ is going to make more power. With E85 it's a whole different ball game and the FA responds much better. 400whp or more is possible on a stock turbo FA20, whereas a stock turbo EJ257 will max out around 350whp on E85.
I know this isn't Max, but if you're doing a out 500whp+ build, the EJ again is better not only because of the gearbox, but because no one has really pushed the FA past that yet. It's stupid money, but at least people have been there and done that with the EJ.
I can’t find many well documented 91 octane tunes... as everyone keeps quoting useless 93/E85 and other various tunes ....
also not looking to do intakes or dps etc ...
Is the stock ej motor around 230wheel? I’m assuming with a tune it’ll climb to 250/260? Cobb still best?
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Cobb makes the accessport tuning platformmax225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:15 pmIs there any side effect to the tune ? Can anyone flash back to stock ? Can the tell ?coogles wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 am
Depends on how far you want to go, IMO, and whether or not you have access to E85. If you only have access to 91 and just want a tune or a tune with a few bolt-ons, the EJ is going to make more power. With E85 it's a whole different ball game and the FA responds much better. 400whp or more is possible on a stock turbo FA20, whereas a stock turbo EJ257 will max out around 350whp on E85.
I know this isn't Max, but if you're doing a out 500whp+ build, the EJ again is better not only because of the gearbox, but because no one has really pushed the FA past that yet. It's stupid money, but at least people have been there and done that with the EJ.
I can’t find many well documented 91 octane tunes... as everyone keeps quoting useless 93/E85 and other various tunes ....
also not looking to do intakes or dps etc ...
Is the stock ej motor around 230wheel? I’m assuming with a tune it’ll climb to 250/260? Cobb still best?
They have canned tunes but they’re probably not very good.
Look into MAPerformance for a mail order solution on the FA20. Stock is like 225 I think LOL. Should be about 250 wheel on a stage 1 91 oct.
Stock STI EJ257 will read about 250-260 wheel
Yes dealer can tell yes it’ll void power train warranty. FA20 Seems to be a more reliable motor so YMMV.
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Doing some research, STIs are no where near 250/260 wheel. They are 225-235 tops based on what I can tell on some videos. Looks like 2018+ makes stage 1 pointless... stock tune is “aggressive”Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 pmCobb makes the accessport tuning platformmax225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:15 pm
Is there any side effect to the tune ? Can anyone flash back to stock ? Can the tell ?
I can’t find many well documented 91 octane tunes... as everyone keeps quoting useless 93/E85 and other various tunes ....
also not looking to do intakes or dps etc ...
Is the stock ej motor around 230wheel? I’m assuming with a tune it’ll climb to 250/260? Cobb still best?
They have canned tunes but they’re probably not very good.
Look into MAPerformance for a mail order solution on the FA20. Stock is like 225 I think LOL. Should be about 250 wheel on a stage 1 91 oct.
Stock STI EJ257 will read about 250-260 wheel
Yes dealer can tell yes it’ll void power train warranty. FA20 Seems to be a more reliable motor so YMMV.
Not sure I’d go fa20 yet, sti seems same price @1 year old as a wrx. I think that’s the right move for me...
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... rx-vs-sti/max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:33 pmDoing some research, STIs are no where near 250/260 wheel. They are 225-235 tops based on what I can tell on some videos. Looks like 2018+ makes stage 1 pointless... stock tune is “aggressive”Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 pm
Cobb makes the accessport tuning platform
They have canned tunes but they’re probably not very good.
Look into MAPerformance for a mail order solution on the FA20. Stock is like 225 I think LOL. Should be about 250 wheel on a stage 1 91 oct.
Stock STI EJ257 will read about 250-260 wheel
Yes dealer can tell yes it’ll void power train warranty. FA20 Seems to be a more reliable motor so YMMV.
Not sure I’d go fa20 yet, sti seems same price @1 year old as a wrx. I think that’s the right move for me...
R&T got 247 wheel on an STI and 223 wheel on a WRX
That’s pretty in line with other stuff I’m finding.
This comparo is nice because it was done on same dyno same day. So you can really see the difference in the two motors.
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Johnny_P wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:39 amhttps://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... rx-vs-sti/max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:33 pm
Doing some research, STIs are no where near 250/260 wheel. They are 225-235 tops based on what I can tell on some videos. Looks like 2018+ makes stage 1 pointless... stock tune is “aggressive”
Not sure I’d go fa20 yet, sti seems same price @1 year old as a wrx. I think that’s the right move for me...
R&T got 247 wheel on an STI and 223 wheel on a WRX
That’s pretty in line with other stuff I’m finding.
This comparo is nice because it was done on same dyno same day. So you can really see the difference in the two motors.
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Odd... I haven’t seen this from the forum.... most areJohnny_P wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:39 amhttps://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... rx-vs-sti/max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:33 pm
Doing some research, STIs are no where near 250/260 wheel. They are 225-235 tops based on what I can tell on some videos. Looks like 2018+ makes stage 1 pointless... stock tune is “aggressive”
Not sure I’d go fa20 yet, sti seems same price @1 year old as a wrx. I think that’s the right move for me...
R&T got 247 wheel on an STI and 223 wheel on a WRX
That’s pretty in line with other stuff I’m finding.
This comparo is nice because it was done on same dyno same day. So you can really see the difference in the two motors.
Much lower