2020 Supra-Why I think it is half assed.

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Is the 2020 half assed ?

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Detroit wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Gberg2119 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:05 pm

It's certainly possible. Weren't sleazy dealers asking close to $100k on early GT 350's?

Toyota hasn't had a legitimate performance car in what? 2 decades? These :dillerman: will have no idea what to do, just like Honda and the Hype R. Can't wait for the first video of them beating the shit out of the car fresh off the truck.
Ohhhh, there will be great material coming in I am sure.

I have no idea why people are so hellbent on buying the first car or whatever. Between brand new car issues, games, markup, and high likelihood of being beaten on, there's zero reason to really want one of the first.
Just like waiting in line for Yeezies with the finest of Urbanites.
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max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:37 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Ohhhh, there will be great material coming in I am sure.

I have no idea why people are so hellbent on buying the first car or whatever. Between brand new car issues, games, markup, and high likelihood of being beaten on, there's zero reason to really want one of the first.
Just like waiting in line for Yeezies with the finest of Urbanites.
I don't know what that is...and I'm glad for that.
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Detroit wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Just like waiting in line for Yeezies with the finest of Urbanites.
I don't know what that is...and I'm glad for that.
https://stockx.com/adidas-yeezy-boost-3 ... s4QAvD_BwE

Hotter than the "earth's core" :bruh:
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max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:40 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
I don't know what that is...and I'm glad for that.
https://stockx.com/adidas-yeezy-boost-3 ... s4QAvD_BwE

Hotter than the "earth's core" :bruh:
Wow.
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max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:40 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
I don't know what that is...and I'm glad for that.
https://stockx.com/adidas-yeezy-boost-3 ... s4QAvD_BwE

Hotter than the "earth's core" :bruh:
A grand for a pair of sneakers is :fullretard:
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Apex wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:44 pm
max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:40 pm

https://stockx.com/adidas-yeezy-boost-3 ... s4QAvD_BwE

Hotter than the "earth's core" :bruh:
A grand for a pair of sneakers is :fullretard:
Holy shit..... these things better do something real nice for my :dong: for that kinda scratch.....
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Irish wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:50 pm
Apex wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:44 pm

A grand for a pair of sneakers is :fullretard:
Holy shit..... these things better do something real nice for my :dong: for that kinda scratch.....
Wear a pair of these and walk through the hood at night. It'll be the best exercise you'll ever get.
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max225 wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:52 pm
Irish wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 2:50 pm

Holy shit..... these things better do something real nice for my :dong: for that kinda scratch.....
Wear a pair of these and walk through the hood at night. It'll be the best exercise you'll ever get.
Probably get shot for the shoes.
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Just speechless... wait for the door panels ...
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My big takeaway from Demuro was the huge divide in reliability between Toyota designs and that of BMW. Putting aside them not living up to the legacy and all that, it seems to me to be a cheaper route to get into a BMW sportscar with cool throwback badging. Yes, some power is lost, but not $15000 worth.
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Irish wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 1:24 am My big takeaway from Demuro was the huge divide in reliability between Toyota designs and that of BMW. Putting aside them not living up to the legacy and all that, it seems to me to be a cheaper route to get into a BMW sportscar with cool throwback badging. Yes, some power is lost, but not $15000 worth.
There is no 15,000 delta a comparably equipped 240i is 4K cheaper, a better and faster m2 cs is 5-7 k more.
Z4 is a hard top convertible, different type of vehicle
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Irish wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 1:24 am My big takeaway from Demuro was the huge divide in reliability between Toyota designs and that of BMW. Putting aside them not living up to the legacy and all that, it seems to me to be a cheaper route to get into a BMW sportscar with cool throwback badging. Yes, some power is lost, but not $15000 worth.
There is no 15,000 delta a comparably equipped 240i is 4K cheaper, a better and faster m2 cs is 5-7 k more.
Z4 is a hard top convertible, different type of vehicle
What is this mythical m2 CS you speak of? The Competition package is the only thing out with actual pricing And the base base is likely a special order only PRICE AS TESTED
$64,545 (base price: $59,895).

A CS/CSL model is a few months away and will likely be extremely expensive in 2020/21.
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dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:54 am
max225 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:28 am

There is no 15,000 delta a comparably equipped 240i is 4K cheaper, a better and faster m2 cs is 5-7 k more.
Z4 is a hard top convertible, different type of vehicle
What is this mythical m2 CS you speak of? The Competition package is the only thing out with actual pricing And the base base is likely a special order only PRICE AS TESTED
$64,545 (base price: $59,895).

A CS/CSL model is a few months away and will likely be extremely expensive in 2020/21.
I thought cs stands for competition ? Mah bad.
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If supras are $50k, the next M equivalent is nearly $10k more.

Supra is a budget bmw, just like all the reviews say.
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dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:55 am If supras are $50k, the next M equivalent is nearly $10k more.

Supra is a budget bmw, just like all the reviews say.
Supra premium is 54k not 50. Supra is not a budget bmw because a m240i costs the same or less than a comparable Supra a m2 is a far better vehicle
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max225 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:55 am
dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:54 am

What is this mythical m2 CS you speak of? The Competition package is the only thing out with actual pricing And the base base is likely a special order only PRICE AS TESTED
$64,545 (base price: $59,895).

A CS/CSL model is a few months away and will likely be extremely expensive in 2020/21.
I thought cs stands for competition ? Mah bad.
nah, you good. Was just getting really confusing because the CS is a real thing in pipeline. And it will be very expensive as a limited edition to retire the chassis.

Glad we confirmed just what you are talking about. :like:
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max225 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:56 am
dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:55 am If supras are $50k, the next M equivalent is nearly $10k more.

Supra is a budget bmw, just like all the reviews say.
Supra premium is 54k not 50. Supra is not a budget bmw because a m240i costs the same or less than a comparable Supra a m2 is a far better vehicle
All supras will be equipped very similiarly other than sound systems. Thats what the jalop review said. There is very little difference in trims. We are talking base budgets man. If you want to save $10k you can. It will still be a very well equipped car.

They wont even make you maintain the monthly idrive subscription.
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dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:59 am
max225 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:56 am

Supra premium is 54k not 50. Supra is not a budget bmw because a m240i costs the same or less than a comparable Supra a m2 is a far better vehicle
All supras will be equipped very similiarly other than sound systems. Thats what the jalop review said. There is very little difference in trims. We are talking base budgets man. If you want to save $10k you can. It will still be a very well equipped car.

They wont even make you maintain the monthly idrive subscription.
Ok just to be 100% clear.
M240i starts at 45,500 4500 less than Supra
M240i with most options is 49,500-50,100
Supra starts at 49,500
Supra with most options 54,500
M2 comp starts st 59,500
M2 comp with most options 64,400
Z4 convertible is 63,xxx but it is a completely different type of vehicle as it is a hard top convertible

Supra has the engine/trans from the inferior in every way(to m2) 240i. So I don’t agree that it is anything “budget” if anything the 240i is cheaper which directly competes with it and offers free maintenance.

I’d also love to know how Toyota will service a vehicle built in Austria 100-% German parts.
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max225 wrote:
dubshow wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 10:59 am All supras will be equipped very similiarly other than sound systems. Thats what the jalop review said. There is very little difference in trims. We are talking base budgets man. If you want to save $10k you can. It will still be a very well equipped car.

They wont even make you maintain the monthly idrive subscription.
Ok just to be 100% clear.
M240i starts at 45,500 4500 less than Supra
M240i with most options is 49,500-50,100
Supra starts at 49,500
Supra with most options 54,500
M2 comp starts st 59,500
M2 comp with most options 64,400
Z4 convertible is 63,xxx but it is a completely different type of vehicle as it is a hard top convertible

Supra has the engine/trans from the inferior in every way(to m2) 240i. So I don’t agree that it is anything “budget” if anything the 240i is cheaper which directly competes with it and offers free maintenance.

I’d also love to know how Toyota will service a vehicle built in Austria 100-% German parts.
In the savage geese livestream he talked about how Toyota is going to service the cars. IIRC they said they're going to build an inventory of parts. Who knows doe.

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As with my original post now almost 6 months ago... it is a good car but it is a shitty Supra
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[user not found] wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 am
Gberg2119 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 11:16 am In the savage geese livestream he talked about how Toyota is going to service the cars. IIRC they said they're going to build an inventory of parts. Who knows doe.

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The service thing doesn't make any sense.

So you're going to need to have Toyota certified techs that are "Supra" qualified, which basically means you're BMW certified.

They're going to need new tools to even work on these. E-torx, and torque wrenches that utilize Newton Meters instead of inch and foot lbs. :lol:

Let's ask Toyota how having technicians work on Subaru engines is going for them. :doomed:

But I do like the Supra overall. Shame it doesn't come with :manuel:
All :dat:

I've been more and more accepting of the demise of the :manuel:

But on this car that's supposed purpose is driver focus, it seems like a pretty glaring omission. There's a :manuel: Z4 in Europe, so it shouldn't be a big deal, and I bet the take rate would be rather decent.

THOUGH, how many people would buy one because it had the :manuel: that have currently written it off because of it? Probably few. If you're going to buy one, you're going to buy one regardless of the transmission. There's just fewer and fewer :manuel: options out there anymore.
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[user not found] wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 am
Gberg2119 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 11:16 am In the savage geese livestream he talked about how Toyota is going to service the cars. IIRC they said they're going to build an inventory of parts. Who knows doe.

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The service thing doesn't make any sense.

So you're going to need to have Toyota certified techs that are "Supra" qualified, which basically means you're BMW certified.

They're going to need new tools to even work on these. E-torx, and torque wrenches that utilize Newton Meters instead of inch and foot lbs. :lol:

Let's ask Toyota how having technicians work on Subaru engines is going for them. :doomed:

But I do like the Supra overall. Shame it doesn't come with :manuel:
Exactly. You'll probably have to end up taking your Supra to a BMW diller.

His review video isn't out yet but I like his stuff. Better than most other youtubers and goes more in depth with stuff.

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I mean the other car you can get that is nearly identical in specs and still available with a :manuel: is a 370z.... :micdrop:
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max225 wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 12:56 pm I mean the other car you can get that is nearly identical in specs and still available with a :manuel: is a 370z.... :dropmic:
It's like 10 years old :doe:
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