Doesn't matter if the 10 years newer is more expensive, less reliable, more expensive to maintain and half-assed, and not necessarily better in any measurable way that matters in this category.
2020 Supra-Why I think it is half assed.
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I wish Nissan developed that instead of just letting it languish. It's really a car.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
It's pretty much suspension, aero, and tire changes. Base car now comes with Ford specific pilot sport cup 2's.
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20k interior in a 70k Fraud... I don't mind the chassis but the price point is insane for the quality that you get to "live with" daily. nice engine be damned, the interior is C5 status.
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I don't think the current gen Mustang interior is THAT bad.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote:I don't think the current gen Mustang interior is THAT bad.
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Looks no worse than any other Ferd interior these days.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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My point is that Ferd interiors suck at any price point. They're passable, but not much more.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Ford GT interior from the last gen was ford knows how to do it. I don't find shit interior excusable past 50k, nice engine be damned, you spend most of your time stroking the dash not lapping the Nurburgring.
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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this thing is a timeless classic. some of the 60/70s ford/lincolns had epic interiors too, just because they decided to shovel shit doesn't mean they should get someone's money. FCA does great interiors and plays in the same price bands. And it's not like you're missing out on some fancy engine options or what not.
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I was just for the sake ofmax225 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 3:59 pmthis thing is a timeless classic. some of the 60/70s ford/lincolns had epic interiors too, just because they decided to shovel shit doesn't mean they should get someone's money. FCA does great interiors and plays in the same price bands. And it's not like you're missing out on some fancy engine options or what not.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
It LOOKS cool but it's definitely not a dash stroker car. I know firsthand.max225 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 3:59 pmthis thing is a timeless classic. some of the 60/70s ford/lincolns had epic interiors too, just because they decided to shovel shit doesn't mean they should get someone's money. FCA does great interiors and plays in the same price bands. And it's not like you're missing out on some fancy engine options or what not.
And it was a $150k car when it came out.
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C&D did their performance testing already.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/The 2020 Toyota Supra achieved a 3.8-second zero-to-60-mph time in Car and Driver testing.
The fifth-gen Supra also impressed with a 12.3-second quarter-mile time at 113 mph.
The trimmer dimensions and lack of a rear seat cut weight by 108 pounds compared with the mid-1990s, fourth-generation Supra.
We're now able to quantify our recent positive tingles from our first time behind the wheel of a production 2020 Toyota Supra. We drove one back to our office from Toyota's launch event at Summit Point Motorsports Park in West Virginia and have now had the chance to run our full gamut of performance tests on it.
In short, the fifth-generation Supra is quick—even quicker than anticipated, hauling to 60 mph in just 3.8 seconds and steamrolling through the quarter-mile in 12.3 seconds at 113 mph. Our best runs involved a light dollop of brake torquing to get engine revs off idle and then carefully applying the gas pedal to avoid excessive wheelspin. The launch-control program, which was inconsistent in its engagement, was considerably slower.
These acceleration times stack up favorably against some bigger, pricier guns, nearly hanging with a Chevy Corvette or a Porsche Cayman GTS through the quarter-mile and slightly outaccelerating the BMW M2 Competition and the Ford Mustang Shelby GT350. This doesn't come as much of a surprise, given that it is based on BMW componentry, but the revived Supra follows in the BMW tradition of delivering far better performance than its claimed power, and thus power-to-weight ratio, would suggest. For example, at 10.1 pounds per horsepower, the Supra outaccelerates the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, which has 120 more horsepower, each of which is only taxed with 8.2 pounds. It's less a question of whether or not the Supra's 335-hp inline-six is underrated, and more about how much. Unfortunately, we have yet to test a BMW Z4 M40i to see how close the Supra is to the more powerful, "382-hp" six-cylinder Z4.
Although the horsepower rating is only 15 hp higher, the new Supra is quite a bit quicker than the revered Mark IV Supra Turbo from the mid-1990s, and—shockingly in today's world of almost always larger and heavier—108 pounds lighter, aided by its trimmer dimensions and lack of a rear seat. Our Renaissance Red test car weighed 3372 pounds, which is, impressively, a bit lighter than Toyota's claimed curb weight despite the fact that ours was a loaded Premium model, which pushed the as-tested price to $56,115.
However, Toyota hasn't divulged the coefficient of drag figure, and we'd guess by the way the Supra's high-speed acceleration tapers off that it isn't class-leading (all the fake vents probably don't help, but they would hurt more if they were real). By 100 mph, the Supra falls behind the Camaro SS 1LE and the M2, and, by 150 mph, the Supra is trailing those two by 1.5 and 3.2 seconds, respectively.
Despite wearing modestly sized Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires—that, yes, are branded with BMW's star (★) designation—the Supra averaged a heroic 1.07 g on the skidpad. That hangs with just about anything not wearing DOT-approved track tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli P Zero Corsas, and slightly better than the current top-dog Cayman GTS and BMW M2. Braking performance from 70 mph came in at a solidly impressive 148 feet, right in line with the front-engine competition, although the slightly front-biased Supra (51.5/48.5 percent front/rear) can't hang with the rear-biased Porsche Cayman or Boxster.
Welcome back, Supra. You've been missed.