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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:12 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:04 pm

Some of that is "recouped" at the end... Anyways. That's neither here nor there. I don't have a vehicle so plans are not set in stone for anything.
Yea, no. $0 recouped at the end, let's be real here.
Possibly. not saying every $ ever, but at the "poverty" market they add some value like maintenance/upkeep. I am willing to pay extra for something like that, as are others, indicated by the higher prices for well-kept models.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:17 pm
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Poverty means 150k+ miles, holes in the seats and faded paint. I think that is unacceptable at 10k.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/d/ ... 52980.html

Here is a bulletproof 5.0 powered Mercedes with acceptable miles. No it won't be terribly unreliable that powertrain is ok. And it doesn't have much in electronics. I think it is bizzare that a taco is worth double with the same year/criteria.
No turned over portapottys, no black carpets, or torn up seats or faded paint. An excellent stereo, good performance etc.

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That said I am not interested in a mall cruiser, hence the "hate" for "cuvs" I am interested in something a bit more durable, that I can cheap myself on the cheap and won't give me too much of a headache.

I need the vehicle to have strong resale in the future however, I know myself, I get bored and I :plac: I don't want some old SUV to cost me 5-10k in depreciation in 12-18 months.
The price is based on the potential for expensive repairs. The engine and transmission will likely be fine, its all the rest of it. Same reason all I could get for the the 2008 CLS550 for $16.5K. Rich people want new ones, poor people can't afford the risk. You can afford the risk. I dunno, that looks like a decent option to me. But you wouldn't be a rugged individualist like all the Jeep and Colorado owners on the forum, and for that reason, you would need to kill yourself.
This isn't the big daddy CLS, just an ML. Doesn't have much in terms of fancy suspensions/electronics etc. It'll be fine my issue is it'll be very difficult to sell as no one wants one as you pointed out. I'd be dealing with 3-4k offers 12-18 months from now. And yes, I am assuming I'll be selling it or any other vehicle rather quickly. I am not going to kid myself otherwise.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:12 pm
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Some of that is "recouped" at the end... Anyways. That's neither here nor there. I don't have a vehicle so plans are not set in stone for anything.
Yea, no. $0 recouped at the end, let's be real here.
Lift will be $0.00... unless he sells stock parts to a junkyard in which case resale will be $10.
Wheels and tars he'd lose half on.

Ok so $1500 on fire not $2k :wasteful:
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:22 pm
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The price is based on the potential for expensive repairs. The engine and transmission will likely be fine, its all the rest of it. Same reason all I could get for the the 2008 CLS550 for $16.5K. Rich people want new ones, poor people can't afford the risk. You can afford the risk. I dunno, that looks like a decent option to me. But you wouldn't be a rugged individualist like all the Jeep and Colorado owners on the forum, and for that reason, you would need to kill yourself.
This isn't the big daddy CLS, just an ML. Doesn't have much in terms of fancy suspensions/electronics etc. It'll be fine my issue is it'll be very difficult to sell as no one wants one as you pointed out. I'd be dealing with 3-4k offers 12-18 months from now. And yes, I am assuming I'll be selling it or any other vehicle rather quickly. I am not going to kid myself otherwise.
Buying an ML to off road it is very likely a horrible idea. :doit: They're rather capable IIRC but break anything and it's :waxer: to repair. Also the aforementioned crangslist fuckery with :mahtroy: offering you $4k in a year.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:30 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:12 pm
Yea, no. $0 recouped at the end, let's be real here.
Lift will be $0.00... unless he sells stock parts to a junkyard in which case resale will be $10.
Wheels and tars he'd lose half on.

Ok so $1500 on fire not $2k :wasteful:
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Max, you basically have to be OK with spending "too much" on a used 4Runner, Wrangler, whatever and then reselling it for "too much" later on.

You know it'll sell. Used 4R's are only around on crangslist for a day or two in your hood price be damned.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:22 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:17 pm

The price is based on the potential for expensive repairs. The engine and transmission will likely be fine, its all the rest of it. Same reason all I could get for the the 2008 CLS550 for $16.5K. Rich people want new ones, poor people can't afford the risk. You can afford the risk. I dunno, that looks like a decent option to me. But you wouldn't be a rugged individualist like all the Jeep and Colorado owners on the forum, and for that reason, you would need to kill yourself.
This isn't the big daddy CLS, just an ML. Doesn't have much in terms of fancy suspensions/electronics etc. It'll be fine my issue is it'll be very difficult to sell as no one wants one as you pointed out. I'd be dealing with 3-4k offers 12-18 months from now. And yes, I am assuming I'll be selling it or any other vehicle rather quickly. I am not going to kid myself otherwise.
Eh, I'd just keep it for awhile and keep trading dick swinger cars. That's a good price for what you get....run it to 150K miles and sell it.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:31 pm
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This isn't the big daddy CLS, just an ML. Doesn't have much in terms of fancy suspensions/electronics etc. It'll be fine my issue is it'll be very difficult to sell as no one wants one as you pointed out. I'd be dealing with 3-4k offers 12-18 months from now. And yes, I am assuming I'll be selling it or any other vehicle rather quickly. I am not going to kid myself otherwise.
Buying an ML to off road it is very likely a horrible idea. :doit: They're rather capable IIRC but break anything and it's :waxer: to repair. Also the aforementioned crangslist fuckery with :mahtroy: offering you $4k in a year.
Yep.

check this one out guys... Basically almost "modded" the same way I'd do it... minus the fucking front bumper... and various recovery gear. I'd be concerned it was rode too hard... then again... at least the seller used quality parts and can write a detailed ad.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/ ... 38771.html

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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:34 pm Max, you basically have to be OK with spending "too much" on a used 4Runner, Wrangler, whatever and then reselling it for "too much" later on.

You know it'll sell. Used 4R's are only around on crangslist for a day or two in your hood price be damned.
Agreed. Which is why I am ok with spending 10-12k on it vs 4-6k on a WJ even though it'll do the same for me... the crazy part is... there is nearly nothing in that price range...
I am ruling out TJ's, They are tough to find and I don't trust the i6, yes I know "it will run a million" miles Bs but half the ones I see either pop a head or are rebuilt by 150k. So I am :notsure: about all that.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:39 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:34 pm Max, you basically have to be OK with spending "too much" on a used 4Runner, Wrangler, whatever and then reselling it for "too much" later on.

You know it'll sell. Used 4R's are only around on crangslist for a day or two in your hood price be damned.
Agreed. Which is why I am ok with spending 10-12k on it vs 4-6k on a WJ even though it'll do the same for me... the crazy part is... there is nearly nothing in that price range...
I am ruling out TJ's, They are tough to find and I don't trust the i6, yes I know "it will run a million" miles Bs but half the ones I see either pop a head or are rebuilt by 150k. So I am :notsure: about all that.
Because by now approximately 82% of them have been used to redline through mud pits repeatedly
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:42 pm
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Agreed. Which is why I am ok with spending 10-12k on it vs 4-6k on a WJ even though it'll do the same for me... the crazy part is... there is nearly nothing in that price range...
I am ruling out TJ's, They are tough to find and I don't trust the i6, yes I know "it will run a million" miles Bs but half the ones I see either pop a head or are rebuilt by 150k. So I am :notsure: about all that.
Because by now approximately 82% of them have been used to redline through mud pits repeatedly
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:36 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:31 pm

Buying an ML to off road it is very likely a horrible idea. :doit: They're rather capable IIRC but break anything and it's :waxer: to repair. Also the aforementioned crangslist fuckery with :mahtroy: offering you $4k in a year.
Yep.

check this one out guys... Basically almost "modded" the same way I'd do it... minus the fucking front bumper... and various recovery gear. I'd be concerned it was rode too hard... then again... at least the seller used quality parts and can write a detailed ad.
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Nah I'm sure he took care of it.
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Apex wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:44 pm
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Because by now approximately 82% of them have been used to redline through mud pits repeatedly
:fuckyeah:
See that's the thing. That's exactly the point of a cheap af off roader. High school kids buy them to beat the ever living shit out of them and it's truly a :fuckyeah: experience until you put it in a lake or whatever.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:45 pm
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:fuckyeah:
See that's the thing. That's exactly the point of a cheap af off roader. High school kids buy them to beat the ever living shit out of them and it's truly a :fuckyeah: experience until you put it in a lake or whatever.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:36 pm
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Buying an ML to off road it is very likely a horrible idea. :doit: They're rather capable IIRC but break anything and it's :waxer: to repair. Also the aforementioned crangslist fuckery with :mahtroy: offering you $4k in a year.
Yep.

check this one out guys... Basically almost "modded" the same way I'd do it... minus the fucking front bumper... and various recovery gear. I'd be concerned it was rode too hard... then again... at least the seller used quality parts and can write a detailed ad.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/ ... 38771.html

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:jesus: :disgust: and those seat covers :doe:
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I bet that truck is a barrel of fun though :popcorn: :doit:
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:48 pm I bet that truck is a barrel of fun though :popcorn: :doit:
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
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Also, Hummer H3's were legit offroaders. Can probably be had in the price range.
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Inb4 :triggered:
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:58 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:48 pm I bet that truck is a barrel of fun though :popcorn: :doit:
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:19 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:58 pm
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
Taco, :bruh: Ultimate offroad vehicle ever created. Will run 500,000 miles with oil changes only EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Worth unborn children and platinum regardless of mileage and condition.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:58 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:48 pm I bet that truck is a barrel of fun though :popcorn: :doit:
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
I don't have a :boner: for Tacos, (no pun). I like the size, reliability, cost of maintenance, aftermarket and resale, and I don't mind the way they look.
It is tough to pick something utilitarian that isn't absolutely :disgust: to look at. I am not huge on TJs, mainly because of the I6, it is a fking boatanchor of an engine, JKs are obviously out of my price range.
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max225 wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:22 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:58 pm
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
I don't have a :boner: for Tacos, (no pun). I like the size, reliability, cost of maintenance, aftermarket and resale, and I don't mind the way they look.
It is tough to pick something utilitarian that isn't absolutely :disgust: to look at. I am not huge on TJs, mainly because of the I6, it is a fking boatanchor of an engine, JKs are obviously out of my price range.
I've owned a few I6's and liked them just fine. I'd be looking at a LJ, WJ, H3, or Xterra, personally. Toyota stuff is just ridiculously overvalued.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:20 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:19 pm

Taco, :bruh: Ultimate offroad vehicle ever created. Will run 500,000 miles with oil changes only EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Worth unborn children and platinum regardless of mileage and condition.
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Basically the "Chuck Norris Stories" vehicle.
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max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:58 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:48 pm I bet that truck is a barrel of fun though :popcorn: :doit:
I just don't get the :boner: for Tacomas. It's probably decent, but I'd enjoy a Jeep more, personally.
This one has a lot of off road fun parts and has a pic of getting mad air on a dune. That sounds pretty fun to me Taco or whatever it may be.
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