The Mudcave: Overlanding/offroad chat.

[max225]

They are already in MP?

[Huckleberry]

Also...if the 7 speed on the Bronco is a super low 1st granny (so in normal driving you start in 2nd)...that would be pretty epic. They could effectively get away with a normal 2.72 (or so) transfer case and use the granny first for crawling.

The 10 speed has so many gears, that would be easy to execute on the auto too.

I think the 4.1 tcase in the Rubicon JL/T is completely unnecessary with the 8-speed since it's geared so well. I could see eventually swapping the 4.1 in my Rubicon for a Sport or Sahara 2.72 eventually.

That would be dope if it was a dogleg first gear, start in 2nd on the street. No one would buy it, but I would to it.

Honestly, with 7 gears, there shouldn't be a need to have a dogleg first gear. You could have a rather uniform layout and even include a lockout gate for granny and reverse. A little MS Paint action of what I'm thinking:

[CaleDeRoo]

That would be dope if it was a dogleg first gear, start in 2nd on the street. No one would buy it, but I would to it.

Honestly, with 7 gears, there shouldn't be a need to have a dogleg first gear. You could have a rather uniform layout and even include a lockout gate for granny and reverse:

Dog leg makes more sense if it's a granny gear not intended for road use.

Edit: picture didn't load before I typed that response I see what you meant however I think dog leg would have a more natural movement for situations where you would shift from G->1 on the move. It's not impossible though as I do 5->3 in my car all the time.

[Huckleberry]

Honestly, with 7 gears, there shouldn't be a need to have a dogleg first gear. You could have a rather uniform layout and even include a lockout gate for granny and reverse:

Dog leg makes more sense if it's a granny gear not intended for road use.

Edit: picture didn't load before I typed that response I see what you meant

The more I think about it, you would probably want the granny gear and reverse on the same side.

[CaleDeRoo]

Dog leg makes more sense if it's a granny gear not intended for road use.

Edit: picture didn't load before I typed that response I see what you meant

The more I think about it, you would probably want the granny gear and reverse on the same side.

Agree but switch reverse and granny for me

[Huckleberry]

The more I think about it, you would probably want the granny gear and reverse on the same side.

Agree but switch reverse and granny for me

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Either way, this makes me excited for the Bronco as long as the price is reasonable.

[CaleDeRoo]

Agree but switch reverse and granny for me

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Either way, this makes me excited for the Bronco as long as the price is reasonable.

I'm guessing it'll be right on top the Wrongler so ~30k for that steel wheels model?

[D Griff]

The more I think about it, you would probably want the granny gear and reverse on the same side.

Agree but switch reverse and granny for me

was what I meant too

[Huckleberry]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Either way, this makes me excited for the Bronco as long as the price is reasonable.

I'm guessing it'll be right on top the Wrongler so ~30k for that steel wheels model?

I would hope not considering that the JL has required steep discounts to move.

[Huckleberry]

I'm curious what else this Getrag trans will find itself in. Perhaps the 6 speed iteration will make its way into the Mustang?

[CaleDeRoo]

I'm guessing it'll be right on top the Wrongler so ~30k for that steel wheels model?

I would hope not considering that the JL has required steep discounts to move.

Only after each dealer ordered 200 for inventory when demand only required 50

[Huckleberry]

I would hope not considering that the JL has required steep discounts to move.

Only after each dealer ordered 200 for inventory when demand only required 50

I recall Detroit stating that Jeep had internally admitted that they priced the JL a tad high.

Regardless, it will be the same clockwork. Dealers will order the highest trim levels, add their mark-ups, the idiots will pay those mark-ups just to have the first ones, and then the discounts will roll in once the fervor dies down.

[CaleDeRoo]

Only after each dealer ordered 200 for inventory when demand only required 50

I recall Detroit stating that Jeep had internally admitted that they priced the JL a tad high.

Regardless, it will be the same clockwork. Dealers will order the highest trim levels, add their mark-ups, the idiots will pay those mark-ups just to have the first ones, and then the discounts will roll in once the fervor dies down.

I'm interested in seeing if Ford's accessories plan works out. IIRC they said they want an extensive catalogue and federalized in some way so that the accessories can actually be used to determine used values of the vehicles by institutions such as kbb etc in hopes that people will be more likely to purchase accessories knowing they will hold value on the used market. I'm too lazy to search for the specific article though.

[Huckleberry]

I recall Detroit stating that Jeep had internally admitted that they priced the JL a tad high.

Regardless, it will be the same clockwork. Dealers will order the highest trim levels, add their mark-ups, the idiots will pay those mark-ups just to have the first ones, and then the discounts will roll in once the fervor dies down.

I'm interested in seeing if Ford's accessories plan works out. IIRC they said they want an extensive catalogue and federalized in some way so that the accessories can actually be used to determine used values of the vehicles by institutions such as kbb etc in hopes that people will be more likely to purchase accessories knowing they will hold value on the used market. I'm too lazy to search for the specific article though.

It's an interesting concept. The only reason I would be moved towards purchasing Ford's accessories would be for retaining warranty, but I'm sure that would also require me paying a Ford dealer to install those accessories, and F that noise.

[CaleDeRoo]

I'm interested in seeing if Ford's accessories plan works out. IIRC they said they want an extensive catalogue and federalized in some way so that the accessories can actually be used to determine used values of the vehicles by institutions such as kbb etc in hopes that people will be more likely to purchase accessories knowing they will hold value on the used market. I'm too lazy to search for the specific article though.

It's an interesting concept. The only reason I would be moved towards purchasing Ford's accessories would be for retaining warranty, but I'm sure that would also require me paying a Ford dealer to install those accessories, and F that noise.

I've never bought a car from a dealer let alone a new car but if you order a car with accessories or buy from the lot but add dealer installed accessories do you pay the labor for installation?

[Apex]

It's an interesting concept. The only reason I would be moved towards purchasing Ford's accessories would be for retaining warranty, but I'm sure that would also require me paying a Ford dealer to install those accessories, and F that noise.

I've never bought a car from a dealer let alone a new car but if you order a car with accessories or buy from the lot but add dealer installed accessories do you pay the labor for installation?

Yes, you pay labor. But you could also roll that into the loan too; if you were so inclined.

[CaleDeRoo]

Exiting names for some reserved colors

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I recall Detroit stating that Jeep had internally admitted that they priced the JL a tad high.

Regardless, it will be the same clockwork. Dealers will order the highest trim levels, add their mark-ups, the idiots will pay those mark-ups just to have the first ones, and then the discounts will roll in once the fervor dies down.

I'm interested in seeing if Ford's accessories plan works out. IIRC they said they want an extensive catalogue and federalized in some way so that the accessories can actually be used to determine used values of the vehicles by institutions such as kbb etc in hopes that people will be more likely to purchase accessories knowing they will hold value on the used market. I'm too lazy to search for the specific article though.

It's more for residualizing in leases. If you add accessories to a lease vehicle, and roll it into the lease payment, you have to pay for 100% of that accessory over the life of the lease. Some accessories, ALG recognizes residual...it all comes down to if a vehicle rolls across the auction block with an accessory...does it sell for more than a vehicle that doesn't have it.

Things like truck tonneau covers can sometimes be residualized. If Ford puts in the work to somehow prove residual value of parts (no idea how they'd do that), that would be pretty awesome. Indeed, it would be a boon for their accessories business. And would be neat as a customer to be able to personalize the truck and either a.) not pay for it all in the lease or b.) know that the accessories should be worth something later. As we all know, right now, 100% of "modz" is throwing money away.

[max225]

Can’t afford the toy and now the toy bedazzlers can be rolled into the loan as well to fuck the bank.

[CaleDeRoo]

I'm interested in seeing if Ford's accessories plan works out. IIRC they said they want an extensive catalogue and federalized in some way so that the accessories can actually be used to determine used values of the vehicles by institutions such as kbb etc in hopes that people will be more likely to purchase accessories knowing they will hold value on the used market. I'm too lazy to search for the specific article though.

It's more for residualizing in leases. If you add accessories to a lease vehicle, and roll it into the lease payment, you have to pay for 100% of that accessory over the life of the lease. Some accessories, ALG recognizes residual...it all comes down to if a vehicle rolls across the auction block with an accessory...does it sell for more than a vehicle that doesn't have it.

Things like truck tonneau covers can sometimes be residualized. If Ford puts in the work to somehow prove residual value of parts (no idea how they'd do that), that would be pretty awesome. Indeed, it would be a boon for their accessories business. And would be neat as a customer to be able to personalize the truck and either a.) not pay for it all in the lease or b.) know that the accessories should be worth something later. As we all know, right now, 100% of "modz" is throwing money away.

Gotcha thanks for the deetz

[max225]

Generally speaking, if an accessory is a hard add (i.e., bolted on, wired in), it can be residualized.

Floor mats can not be, for example, but a factory remote start can be.

There is little behind the fact that they are "worth anything" . So I wouldn't underwrite it into any sort of loan.

[fledonfoot]

Generally speaking, if an accessory is a hard add (i.e., bolted on, wired in), it can be residualized.

Floor mats can not be, for example, but a factory remote start can be.

Residualizing is near impossible with TFS. Watch out when they take over, unless they’re going to do something different for you guys.

[max225]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-land-rove ... 1842476442

Base defender is super IMO a great alternative to the RUBICUNT at a very similar price point.

[D Griff]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-land-rove ... 1842476442

The article misspells 'nomadic'

Pictures are amazing Kind of sad to see a auto maker taking a bunch of rich whites to destroy an unspoiled country.

Car looks pretty cool

[max225]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-land-rove ... 1842476442

The article misspells 'nomadic'

Pictures are amazing Kind of sad to see a auto maker taking a bunch of rich whites to destroy an unspoiled country.

Car looks pretty cool

Dat actual grand tour !