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Detroit wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 am
Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:40 am

Part of me likes the concept of a RTT, the other part of me thinks its ridiculous. My major issue with it is, and I've read a bit about this on forums and such, that if you stay in a regular campground with a RTT, and you take the truck somewhere during hte day, you're packing down your whole campsite to go and then coming back and setting it all back up again. Which maybe isn't a big problem with $4k worth of slide out drawer kitchen and 2 minute tent setup, until someone else has taken your campsite because nobody is home, lol.

So what's the solution? People recommend setting up a ground tent at a campsite to claim it. Not shitting you. And then not use the ground tent.

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That's :fullretard: but also why RTTs are :fullretard:

If you're going to pitch a tent on the ground, just stay in that.
I imagine if you’re carrying around a hard shell RTT that’s insulated and thick mattress it would be a lot more comfy than a tent. So I see the attraction to them. But the setup time advantage argument makes no sense if you have to set up a ground tent with it just to keep your spot lol.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:29 am
Detroit wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 am
That's :fullretard: but also why RTTs are :fullretard:

If you're going to pitch a tent on the ground, just stay in that.
I imagine if you’re carrying around a hard shell RTT that’s insulated and thick mattress it would be a lot more comfy than a tent. So I see the attraction to them. But the setup time advantage argument makes no sense if you have to set up a ground tent with it just to keep your spot lol.
Maybe? Still a lot of tent material. We use cots when we camp in the tent, they're 5/7. I highly recommend instead of a mattress. Easier to setup, more compact when stored, and way more comfortable getting yourself off the ground.

I still think your ideal solution is a large SUV or VAN with some sort of comfortable sleeping accommodation for quick rests, with a tent and cot that you can pitch for longer stays at places.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:35 am
Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:29 am

I imagine if you’re carrying around a hard shell RTT that’s insulated and thick mattress it would be a lot more comfy than a tent. So I see the attraction to them. But the setup time advantage argument makes no sense if you have to set up a ground tent with it just to keep your spot lol.
Maybe? Still a lot of tent material. We use cots when we camp in the tent, they're 5/7. I highly recommend instead of a mattress. Easier to setup, more compact when stored, and way more comfortable getting yourself off the ground.

I still think your ideal solution is a large SUV or VAN with some sort of comfortable sleeping accommodation for quick rests, with a tent and cot that you can pitch for longer stays at places.
I have never cot camped. Explain to me? Larger tent needed I guess, and then what, camp pad on top of the cot, then sleeping bag on top of that?

I have a tent already. It's a Big Agnes Jackrabbit SL3 that I bought years ago. Need a footprint for it. I don't think a standard height cot will happen in it though. I think this will be fine for the temperatures I'll be seeing. Anchorage and Jasper will be 30-40F at night, which is probably the coldest camping I'll see. Sequoia likely to be a lot colder, like 20s at night, but I think I'll lodge it for the time I'm in that park.
https://www.rei.com/product/865398/big- ... t-sl3-tent
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:32 am
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Maybe? Still a lot of tent material. We use cots when we camp in the tent, they're 5/7. I highly recommend instead of a mattress. Easier to setup, more compact when stored, and way more comfortable getting yourself off the ground.

I still think your ideal solution is a large SUV or VAN with some sort of comfortable sleeping accommodation for quick rests, with a tent and cot that you can pitch for longer stays at places.
I have never cot camped. Explain to me? Larger tent needed I guess, and then what, camp pad on top of the cot, then sleeping bag on top of that?

I have a tent already. It's a Big Agnes Jackrabbit SL3 that I bought years ago. Need a footprint for it. I don't think a standard height cot will happen in it though. I think this will be fine for the temperatures I'll be seeing. Anchorage and Jasper will be 30-40F at night, which is probably the coldest camping I'll see. Sequoia likely to be a lot colder, like 20s at night, but I think I'll lodge it for the time I'm in that park.
https://www.rei.com/product/865398/big- ... t-sl3-tent
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-765353-T ... oleman+cot

It's not very high, and should fit in the tent fine. I've used mine in our small 4 person Coleman tent without issues, it's fine if you're by yourself.

Wife always has to do cot, then sleeping pad, then sleeping bag. I usually just throw the sleeping bag on the cot ZFG, but sometimes the pad is nice for some extra cushion. What's nice about the cot is how easily in sets up and packs away. No blowing up anything, no pressing air out of anything, and it's way more compact than a foam mattress would be.

I spent years with sleeping on the ground with either a pad or a mattress, and it's amazing how cold/hard it can get, regardless of what you have underneath. Even in warm climates, the ground can get surprisingly cold. Getting off the ground in a cot is game changing for camping IMO.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:43 am
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I have never cot camped. Explain to me? Larger tent needed I guess, and then what, camp pad on top of the cot, then sleeping bag on top of that?

I have a tent already. It's a Big Agnes Jackrabbit SL3 that I bought years ago. Need a footprint for it. I don't think a standard height cot will happen in it though. I think this will be fine for the temperatures I'll be seeing. Anchorage and Jasper will be 30-40F at night, which is probably the coldest camping I'll see. Sequoia likely to be a lot colder, like 20s at night, but I think I'll lodge it for the time I'm in that park.
https://www.rei.com/product/865398/big- ... t-sl3-tent
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-765353-T ... oleman+cot

It's not very high, and should fit in the tent fine. I've used mine in our small 4 person Coleman tent without issues, it's fine if you're by yourself.

Wife always has to do cot, then sleeping pad, then sleeping bag. I usually just throw the sleeping bag on the cot ZFG, but sometimes the pad is nice for some extra cushion. What's nice about the cot is how easily in sets up and packs away. No blowing up anything, no pressing air out of anything, and it's way more compact than a foam mattress would be.

I spent years with sleeping on the ground with either a pad or a mattress, and it's amazing how cold/hard it can get, regardless of what you have underneath. Even in warm climates, the ground can get surprisingly cold. Getting off the ground in a cot is game changing for camping IMO.
:notbad: nice tips thanks brah. I'll look into it, maybe pick one up. Cheap as shit...

The mattress I was thinking would be a 3-piece foldy foam jawn. So fold up to the size of a suitcase or something. Rolling up a pad every night is for the birds.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:51 am
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https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-765353-T ... oleman+cot

It's not very high, and should fit in the tent fine. I've used mine in our small 4 person Coleman tent without issues, it's fine if you're by yourself.

Wife always has to do cot, then sleeping pad, then sleeping bag. I usually just throw the sleeping bag on the cot ZFG, but sometimes the pad is nice for some extra cushion. What's nice about the cot is how easily in sets up and packs away. No blowing up anything, no pressing air out of anything, and it's way more compact than a foam mattress would be.

I spent years with sleeping on the ground with either a pad or a mattress, and it's amazing how cold/hard it can get, regardless of what you have underneath. Even in warm climates, the ground can get surprisingly cold. Getting off the ground in a cot is game changing for camping IMO.
:notbad: nice tips thanks brah. I'll look into it, maybe pick one up. Cheap as shit...

The mattress I was thinking would be a 3-piece foldy foam jawn. So fold up to the size of a suitcase or something. Rolling up a pad every night is for the birds.
The foldy mattresses are still a PITA to me, but you might not find it as much. The biggest thing IMO is getting off the ground :doe:

I would not roll up a pad every night. That would get old. But a cot is super easy. I can set both of ours up and pack them away in under a minute. stupid easy, and they're the size of a folded camping chair when packed.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:57 am
Johnny_P wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:51 am

:notbad: nice tips thanks brah. I'll look into it, maybe pick one up. Cheap as shit...

The mattress I was thinking would be a 3-piece foldy foam jawn. So fold up to the size of a suitcase or something. Rolling up a pad every night is for the birds.
The foldy mattresses are still a PITA to me, but you might not find it as much. The biggest thing IMO is getting off the ground :doe:

I would not roll up a pad every night. That would get old. But a cot is super easy. I can set both of ours up and pack them away in under a minute. stupid easy, and they're the size of a folded camping chair when packed.
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max225 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:57 am

"survive" :yeahok: Over-landing turned into some lavish display of excess, similar to having a 6 bed 6 bath house while having 1 crotchfruit.

Over-landing is synonymous for essentially extreme luxury of buying $1000 off road fridges for $5 worth of soda, $2000 rooftop tents etc. Just sad. Concept is novel execution meh.

I prefer the litebrite crazies tackling insane shit and somehow not totaling their brand new wrangler and the chick is :woodplow:
So what? It can be as lavish as you want or as cheap as you want.

What's the big deal?
Dem beans.
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:yikes:
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If you have to sleep on the ground, An inexpensive closed cell foam sleeping pad will keep you warmer than one of those expensive blown up pads. Those blow up cell pads are only good for softening where you lie down. Using both is best.

https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/ ... hYQAvD_BwE
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Apex wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:36 pm
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:yikes:
:dat:

NEVER use tow ball for recovery. That's why hitch mounted shackle mounts are great...even then you want to have a solid one.
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What about something like this?

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They come in double size as well

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Just saw you already had a tent
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:42 pm What about something like this?

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They come in double size as well

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:howdareyou:
Why is it not on top of a roof?
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No roof mount? No spice rack? No solar power? No slide out drawers under the sleeping pad for camp kitchen utensils?

WTF is this poverty shit? :gtfo:
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Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:51 am No roof mount? No spice rack? No solar power? No slide out drawers under the sleeping pad for camp kitchen utensils?

WTF is this poverty shit? :gtfo:
:lolol: :dat:
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Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:51 am No roof mount? No spice rack? No solar power? No slide out drawers under the sleeping pad for camp kitchen utensils?

WTF is this poverty shit? :gtfo:
:disappoint:

All that stuff goes in your support car.

Don't you know anything about luxury overlanding?
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:09 am
Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:51 am No roof mount? No spice rack? No solar power? No slide out drawers under the sleeping pad for camp kitchen utensils?

WTF is this poverty shit? :gtfo:
:disappoint:

All that stuff goes in your support car.

Don't you know anything about luxury overlanding?
Yeah but if you're DIR you have a $4k roof top tent not this $300 Cabelas special.
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Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:11 am
CaleDeRoo wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:09 am

:disappoint:

All that stuff goes in your support car.

Don't you know anything about luxury overlanding?
Yeah but if you're DIR you have a $4k roof top tent not this $300 Cabelas special.
What's DIR?
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max225 wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:16 am
Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:11 am

Yeah but if you're DIR you have a $4k roof top tent not this $300 Cabelas special.
What's DIR?
Doing it right
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Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:17 am
max225 wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:16 am

What's DIR?
Doing it right
I can't even get that right :(
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:09 am
Johnny_P wrote: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:51 am No roof mount? No spice rack? No solar power? No slide out drawers under the sleeping pad for camp kitchen utensils?

WTF is this poverty shit? :gtfo:
:disappoint:

All that stuff goes in your support car.

Don't you know anything about luxury overlanding?
I mean I guess but we are talking survival here and these are necessary items.
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My hero. Thanks to Calederoo for finding this while getting loaded at the bar.
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God that’s stupid
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#surviving
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max225 wrote: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:19 pm God that’s stupid
Not really. You could put a combo washer/dryer in the frunk with a tackle box style spice rack and kitchen on top of it that would fold out. Nobody likes the 996 interior so it’s ripe for CB radios, GPS systems, and volt meters. House battery in the back seat. It’s rather ideal.
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