So many layoffs, this sucksBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 am http://www.thedrive.com/news/26306/gene ... 9ki0EMUqUE
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I hope the restructuring brings a strong growth in all the right places.
So many layoffs, this sucksBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 am http://www.thedrive.com/news/26306/gene ... 9ki0EMUqUE
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and notTarspin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:11 amSo many layoffs, this sucksBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 am http://www.thedrive.com/news/26306/gene ... 9ki0EMUqUE
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I hope the restructuring brings a strong growth in all the right places.
I'd actually welcome it. I have multiple irons in the fire right now, I could use a few months paid to dedicate to making one become reality.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
I'm not optimistic, personally.Tarspin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:11 amSo many layoffs, this sucksBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 am http://www.thedrive.com/news/26306/gene ... 9ki0EMUqUE
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I hope the restructuring brings a strong growth in all the right places.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Good for you, man.
Fortunately, as soon as they said they were going to do "involuntary separations" a few months ago, I started applying to jobs that same day. I'm in various stages with a few companies, and I'm pretty confident I'll land something with better pay that I may or may not enjoy more (all big companies blow). So to get a few months paid to relax and see what the next steps are would be great.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:22 amGood for you, man.
Yeah, a couple paid months to consider the options can be a great thing. Jumping ship into another not so good situation because you're under pressure sucks.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Fingers crossed, for their own long term success I'd hope they split evenly between new tech and improving existing products. I know that they are making a push into electric but people are still buying ICE and likely will be for a while. Quality products today sell cars tomorrow, they owe it to themselves and their employees.
From my personal experience on the program I work on, there's zero investment in future ICE vehicles. The mantra is to squeeze as much from the rock as possible to fund the #evfutureTarspin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:37 amFingers crossed, for their own long term success I'd hope they split evenly between new tech and improving existing products. I know that they are making a push into electric but people are still buying ICE and likely will be for a while. Quality products today sell cars tomorrow, they owe it to themselves and their employees.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
I don't get this movement, in theory its nice to not be harvesting oil and burning it but we've taken it way too far without even doing simpleDetroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 amFrom my personal experience on the program I work on, there's zero investment in future ICE vehicles. The mantra is to squeeze as much from the rock as possible to fund the #evfutureTarspin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:37 am
Fingers crossed, for their own long term success I'd hope they split evenly between new tech and improving existing products. I know that they are making a push into electric but people are still buying ICE and likely will be for a while. Quality products today sell cars tomorrow, they owe it to themselves and their employees.
Wall street will love it for the vision, but I don't see how it'll be financially viable in 5-10 years.
I would assume the management of a yuge company as such is not that stupid. ICE is not the future for sure and GM needs to be a world leader in the transportation field. You snooze you lose the Chinese are coming ...Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 amFrom my personal experience on the program I work on, there's zero investment in future ICE vehicles. The mantra is to squeeze as much from the rock as possible to fund the #evfutureTarspin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:37 am
Fingers crossed, for their own long term success I'd hope they split evenly between new tech and improving existing products. I know that they are making a push into electric but people are still buying ICE and likely will be for a while. Quality products today sell cars tomorrow, they owe it to themselves and their employees.
Wall street will love it for the vision, but I don't see how it'll be financially viable in 5-10 years.
It's all a balance, sure. Need to invest in the future, but when the future actually arrives ismax225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:56 amI would assume the management of a yuge company as such is not that stupid. ICE is not the future for sure and GM needs to be a world leader in the transportation field. You snooze you lose the Chinese are coming ...Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 am
From my personal experience on the program I work on, there's zero investment in future ICE vehicles. The mantra is to squeeze as much from the rock as possible to fund the #evfuture
Wall street will love it for the vision, but I don't see how it'll be financially viable in 5-10 years.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Well sure, ICE powertrain development seems worthless, but not investing in ICE powered vehicles at all? That just seems way too risky.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Yeah, ICE is going to be around for a while more. Switching cold turkey to an all-electric line-up doesn't mean the consumer base is ready for the change. For some reason, I can see the truck crowd giving the most pushback to the this change.
Trucks are the hardest to predict. Also happen to be the most profitable vehicles for the company, so don't want to screw it up.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:39 pmYeah, ICE is going to be around for a while more. Switching cold turkey to an all-electric line-up doesn't mean the consumer base is ready for the change. For some reason, I can see the truck crowd giving the most pushback to the this change.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:03 pmTrucks are the hardest to predict. Also happen to be the most profitable vehicles for the company, so don't want to screw it up.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:39 pm
Yeah, ICE is going to be around for a while more. Switching cold turkey to an all-electric line-up doesn't mean the consumer base is ready for the change. For some reason, I can see the truck crowd giving the most pushback to the this change.
So far...
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
January wasn't a great month for the industry, it never is because of the hangover from giant Decembers. SAAR was around 16M IIRC, which is off from where we ended last year around 17M. The fact that the Wrangler was up at all is Can't use January as an indicator of future performance, especially sales volume.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:10 pm https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fca-us-r ... 00507.html
So this is interesting... the epic sales months for the new wrangler last year?
They "only" moved 13k wranglers in Jan. They are going to have to "lap" 25k units in march... and 30k units in April which likely won't happen. Or they'll have epic s they normally sell around 17-19k in those months...
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Right, its a "hangover" every year though. The point was however that the last 3 years, they were well under 20k units in march april, and well over 25, and even 30k due to having both the JK/JL so unless they blow out the JL in the next two months they are going to be "down". So hence theDetroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:17 pmJanuary wasn't a great month for the industry, it never is because of the hangover from giant Decembers. SAAR was around 16M IIRC, which is off from where we ended last year around 17M. The fact that the Wrangler was up at all is Can't use January as an indicator of future performance, especially sales volume.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:10 pm https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fca-us-r ... 00507.html
So this is interesting... the epic sales months for the new wrangler last year?
They "only" moved 13k wranglers in Jan. They are going to have to "lap" 25k units in march... and 30k units in April which likely won't happen. Or they'll have epic s they normally sell around 17-19k in those months...
It's really hard to say. I suspect they'll have some solid s on JLs to keep the volume up. They'll have to since they have so much capacity. They still beat last January by a few thousand units, and this January was arguable tougher. It'll be interesting for sure.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:20 pmRight, its a "hangover" every year though. The point was however that the last 3 years, they were well under 20k units in march april, and well over 25, and even 30k due to having both the JK/JL so unless they blow out the JL in the next two months they are going to be "down". So hence theDetroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:17 pm
January wasn't a great month for the industry, it never is because of the hangover from giant Decembers. SAAR was around 16M IIRC, which is off from where we ended last year around 17M. The fact that the Wrangler was up at all is Can't use January as an indicator of future performance, especially sales volume.
FCA is UP yoy thanks to ramming their rams into 84 months stretch pay I am sure.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Well they also have a much better product than LY. Their current line up is great. The HD truks and regular 1500s are just great. JL we covered off in detail.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:22 pmIt's really hard to say. I suspect they'll have some solid s on JLs to keep the volume up. They'll have to since they have so much capacity. They still beat last January by a few thousand units, and this January was arguable tougher. It'll be interesting for sure.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:20 pm
Right, its a "hangover" every year though. The point was however that the last 3 years, they were well under 20k units in march april, and well over 25, and even 30k due to having both the JK/JL so unless they blow out the JL in the next two months they are going to be "down". So hence the
FCA is UP yoy thanks to ramming their rams into 84 months stretch pay I am sure.
Ram took #2 in the large pickup segment in January from Chebby. Mostly on epic deals and stretch pay as you said, but still. FCA knows how to move the metal.
I'm sure they will at some point. With interest rates rising, 0% is "valued" more by customers than just cash on the hood.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:25 pmWell they also have a much better product than LY. Their current line up is great. The HD truks and regular 1500s are just great. JL we covered off in detail.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:22 pm
It's really hard to say. I suspect they'll have some solid s on JLs to keep the volume up. They'll have to since they have so much capacity. They still beat last January by a few thousand units, and this January was arguable tougher. It'll be interesting for sure.
Ram took #2 in the large pickup segment in January from Chebby. Mostly on epic deals and stretch pay as you said, but still. FCA knows how to move the metal.
I wonder if they will do 0% financing on the Jeeps... that 5% crap they are running is just garbage.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.