Car talk tré: Carpocalypse Now!

[troyguitar]

Yep, and it's apparently garbage.

I believe the pre zf8 for BMW’s also used gm’s 6 speed auto. Ive driven my ex coworkers 328xi and compared to my moms old ‘11 f10 535i, it is night and day.

Yep, the E90 328 6AT was a GM transmission. The 6-speed worked fine though, just slow.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Yep, and it's apparently garbage.

Well it isn't a rebadged BMW 240i marked up 10k sold by toyota. Of course it is. The entire forum is ordering that RIGHT NOW!

Well it is the Supra forum . If I want say a C63 AMG, I would lurk their forums or become a member and ask questions.

[MexicanYarisTK]

I believe the pre zf8 for BMW’s also used gm’s 6 speed auto. Ive driven my ex coworkers 328xi and compared to my moms old ‘11 f10 535i, it is night and day.

Yep, the E90 328 6AT was a GM transmission. The 6-speed worked fine though, just slow.

Exactly and it was a e92. But their steering is

[Apex]

Well it isn't a rebadged BMW 240i marked up 10k sold by toyota. Of course it is. The entire forum is ordering that RIGHT NOW!

Well it is the Supra forum . If I want say a C63 AMG, I would lurk their forums or become a member and ask questions.

Those make glorious noises.

[Melon]

GM doesn't use ZF 8 speed... it is their own design last I checked?

Yep, and it's apparently garbage.

Mine has been fine.

*prays to the transmission gods*

[MexicanYarisTK]

Well it is the Supra forum . If I want say a C63 AMG, I would lurk their forums or become a member and ask questions.

Those make glorious noises.

with aftermarket headers, it is ear shatteringly glorious.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yep, and it's apparently garbage.

Mine has been fine.

*prays to the transmission gods*

Same here. We're obviously

[Huckleberry]

I drove a 2018 Sierra with that 8 speed. I hated the way it drove.

GM doesn't use ZF 8 speed... it is their own design last I checked?

Correct. The GM 8 speed is garbage and problematic, while the ZF 8 speed is nice.

I think GM only caught a little bit of shit for offering the Z06 with an automatic. These aren't the 4L60E days.

But I do recall numerous articles complaining about the Supra not getting a manual when that news broke a few months back.


GM's 8 speed is garbage. The ZF 8 speed is awesome.

And I agree: fuck both Toyota and BMW for killing manual options.

Uhh the m2 cs still comes with

Cool. One car versus what used to be the entire line-up.

[MexicanYarisTK]

GM doesn't use ZF 8 speed... it is their own design last I checked?

Correct. The GM 8 speed is garbage and problematic, while the ZF 8 speed is nice.

Uhh the m2 cs still comes with

Cool. One car versus what used to be the entire line-up.

IIRC, the m2 cs replaced the regular m2, but 405 hp (slightly toned down m3/4 engine) s50??

[max225]

GM doesn't use ZF 8 speed... it is their own design last I checked?

Correct. The GM 8 speed is garbage and problematic, while the ZF 8 speed is nice.

Uhh the m2 cs still comes with

Cool. One car versus what used to be the entire line-up.

You can get 's in a lot of bmws. More so than most other manufacturers.

[Melon]

Not for long doe, didn't the announce no more manuals in the 3 series?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Not for long doe, didn't the announce no more manuals in the 3 series?

That's what I recall hearing.

[Davestr]

The car looks sharp and reviews well. Drop the price or give it some more boost from the factory. 400 hp would be more in line with $50-60k.

0-60 in 4.1 sec, does it really need much more power? That's pretty quick. Gearing must be

Thats M2C quick =

[Melon]

Audi is doing the same, I get it, demand is lacking, progress and all that shit.

Seem that all but two seaters, and things like hot hatches are going manual.

[Davestr]

It’s just the same 8 speed found in my dads Chrysler it’s a nice tranny

And my car. It's a fantastic transmission and anyone that doesn't believe that is showing they have absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. You wouldn't know it's not a dual clutch without being told.

ZF8 forevah yo!!! I has 107000+ km's with it in the M235 that just got traded!!! No need for manual evah BMW races the exact same trans as well!

[Davestr]

Supra / 911 or whatever Tesla peddles this is the fkn shite future - https://jalopnik.com/lets-meet-the-sad- ... 1831780036

Meet the Joyless Self-Driving Pods of the Detroit Auto Show

[max225]

Supra / 911 or whatever Tesla peddles this is the fkn shite future - https://jalopnik.com/lets-meet-the-sad- ... 1831780036

Meet the Joyless Self-Driving Pods of the Detroit Auto Show

It is. We only have ourselves to blame.

[Davestr]

It's just interesting to see how much crap GM gets for offering a slush box in the Corvette, yet Toyota can do it with the ZOMG Supra and it's all amazing.

I think GM only caught a little bit of shit for offering the Z06 with an automatic. These aren't the 4L60E days.

But I do recall numerous articles complaining about the Supra not getting a manual when that news broke a few months back.

To be fair (I think), that particular trans in the Corvette gets shit on because shifting it manually is totally unenjoyable and basically pointless.

But also, fuck Toyota and BMW for this car being automatic only. Even depreciated to $30k I'll have exactly zero interest in ever owning one.

GM's 8 speed is garbage. The ZF 8 speed is awesome.

And I agree: fuck both Toyota and BMW for killing manual options.

Go drive a PDK 911 or Cayman-S etc. You wont fkn miss a manual. Do it with an open mind. If you are serious about putting power down and performance its the only game in town. I loved my M235i with the ZF-8 and I love my M2 with DCT. Im not going back to manual unless its a low powered classic type machine. Performance auto/PDK's are the shite.

[troyguitar]

I think GM only caught a little bit of shit for offering the Z06 with an automatic. These aren't the 4L60E days.

But I do recall numerous articles complaining about the Supra not getting a manual when that news broke a few months back.


GM's 8 speed is garbage. The ZF 8 speed is awesome.

And I agree: fuck both Toyota and BMW for killing manual options.

Go drive a PDK 911 or Cayman-S etc. You wont fkn miss a manual. Do it with an open mind. If you are serious about putting power down and performance its the only game in town. I loved my M235i with the ZF-8 and I love my M2 with DCT. Im not going back to manual unless its a low powered classic type machine. Performance auto/PDK's are the shite.

If you're serious about performance buy a fucking Corvette, not a Porsche... and enter an actual race.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Go drive a PDK 911 or Cayman-S etc. You wont fkn miss a manual. Do it with an open mind. If you are serious about putting power down and performance its the only game in town. I loved my M235i with the ZF-8 and I love my M2 with DCT. Im not going back to manual unless its a low powered classic type machine. Performance auto/PDK's are the shite.

If you're serious about performance buy a fucking Corvette, not a Porsche... and enter an actual race.

Corvette is superior to a Porsche in pure performance.

[Davestr]

Go drive a PDK 911 or Cayman-S etc. You wont fkn miss a manual. Do it with an open mind. If you are serious about putting power down and performance its the only game in town. I loved my M235i with the ZF-8 and I love my M2 with DCT. Im not going back to manual unless its a low powered classic type machine. Performance auto/PDK's are the shite.

If you're serious about performance buy a fucking Corvette, not a Porsche... and enter an actual race.

Its not about fkn racing. Its about a personal choice in your sportscar. Nothing more. I gave the poster my thoughts based on experience not track day banter.

[Davestr]

Supra / 911 or whatever Tesla peddles this is the fkn shite future - https://jalopnik.com/lets-meet-the-sad- ... 1831780036

Meet the Joyless Self-Driving Pods of the Detroit Auto Show

It is. We only have ourselves to blame.

TOTAL - Depressing it is and its on the way....

[max225]

If you're serious about performance buy a fucking Corvette, not a Porsche... and enter an actual race.

Corvette is superior to a Porsche in pure performance.

Which is why they are raced far more than porsches. But porsches are far better for the street and country club, because that's the income it takes to have a 150k toy car.

[Davestr]

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[ChrisoftheNorth]

Corvette is superior to a Porsche in pure performance.

Which is why they are raced far more than porsches. But porsches are far better for the street and country club, because that's the income it takes to have a 150k toy car.

Stop saying things I agree with.