Car talk tré: Carpocalypse Now!

[CorvetteWaxer]

I'm pretty much at this point.

I stopped caring when I saw the bmw version released. These fancy high tech POS just don't do it for me nowadays.

Yep. This thing is pretty ugly to me.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

[troyguitar]

I think I still kind of "want" a 230i which is basically the poverty version of the supposedly upcoming Supra. I can't see paying $50k for that

[troyguitar]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

Yep, the X2 is the 318ti of today.

[CorvetteWaxer]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

When they were new, nobody I knew liked them. Even my friend that had an M3 and bought a 318Ti for his wife (she loved it). Now, it seems like there's a cult following for these hideous things.

[Apex]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

My first car was an E36 318 with M3 aerokit. 5/7 first car, and topped out at 118mph IIRC.

[Tar]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

Were they a flop? I saw a lot of them on the road, but we have a pretty small overall market and people like driving compact cars here.

You are correct about cars not selling, it would be suicide to build a compact sporty hatchback unless it's lifted and rolling on 20s

[max225]

SUPRA https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-2020-toy ... 1831038454

I'm pretty much at this point.

Willing to bet it’ll be worse than a m2 in every measurable way, and it’ll cost the same

[Tar]

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

When they were new, nobody I knew liked them. Even my friend that had an M3 and bought a 318Ti for his wife (she loved it). Now, it seems like there's a cult following for these hideous things.

Sign me up LOL
They were light, fun to drive, simple for a german appliance and cheap.

I guess a PP GTi fills that void today, but BMW has less appeal with all their upmarket offerings.

[troyguitar]

I thought the 318ti was a flop?

Always liked them. Imagine they would flop even harder today unless they were a small crossover or something. A BMW Crosstrek would be kinda cool, actually.

When they were new, nobody I knew liked them. Even my friend that had an M3 and bought a 318Ti for his wife (she loved it). Now, it seems like there's a cult following for these hideous things.

They're a few mods away from offering an E30 M3 experience for the cost of a Yaris. It's a car when you consider the lego-like BMW parts bin and massive aftermarket available. Kind of underwhelming in stock form unless you get a clubsport model.

[Tar]

BMW should bring back a kick ass version of the 318. Sporty stripped down hatch would be cool and I think would sell. Heck I think the 318s moved fairly well IIRC

My first car was an E36 318 with M3 aerokit. 5/7 first car, and topped out at 118mph IIRC.

[Apex]

When they were new, nobody I knew liked them. Even my friend that had an M3 and bought a 318Ti for his wife (she loved it). Now, it seems like there's a cult following for these hideous things.

They're a few mods away from offering an E30 M3 experience for the cost of a Yaris. It's a car when you consider the lego-like BMW parts bin and massive aftermarket available. Kind of underwhelming in stock form unless you get a clubsport model.

Drop a S50 or S52 in there and have a blast.

[Tar]

I think I still kind of "want" a 230i which is basically the poverty version of the supposedly upcoming Supra. I can't see paying $50k for that

What was that used orange beemer you posted up? Base 320?

[troyguitar]

They're a few mods away from offering an E30 M3 experience for the cost of a Yaris. It's a car when you consider the lego-like BMW parts bin and massive aftermarket available. Kind of underwhelming in stock form unless you get a clubsport model.

Drop a S50 or S52 in there and have a blast.

Just buy an E36 M3 if you want the 6 cylinder. I meant work the top end of the 4 cylinder to let it breathe/rev like the E30M3. It's got E30 rear suspension too, so at that point you have a pretty good approximation of the "greatest sports sedan of all time" for next to no money.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

They're a few mods away from offering an E30 M3 experience for the cost of a Yaris. It's a car when you consider the lego-like BMW parts bin and massive aftermarket available. Kind of underwhelming in stock form unless you get a clubsport model.

Drop a S50 or S52 in there and have a blast.

This was always my thought.

[troyguitar]

I think I still kind of "want" a 230i which is basically the poverty version of the supposedly upcoming Supra. I can't see paying $50k for that

What was that used orange beemer you posted up? Base 320?

228 or 230. Ain't no need no fo do. cars are better.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Drop a S50 or S52 in there and have a blast.

Just buy an E36 M3 if you want the 6 cylinder. I meant work the top end of the 4 cylinder to let it breathe/rev like the E30M3. It's got E30 rear suspension too, so at that point you have a pretty good approximation of the "greatest sports sedan of all time" for next to no money.

The aftermarket isn't there for the M42 4-cyl. It was the same engine I had in my e30 ('91 318is), and it was spritely, but nothing to write home about.

[Apex]

Drop a S50 or S52 in there and have a blast.

Just buy an E36 M3 if you want the 6 cylinder. I meant work the top end of the 4 cylinder to let it breathe/rev like the E30M3. It's got E30 rear suspension too, so at that point you have a pretty good approximation of the "greatest sports sedan of all time" for next to no money.

DASC made a supercharger for the 4banger too.

[Tar]

What was that used orange beemer you posted up? Base 320?

228 or 230. Ain't no need no fo do. cars are better.

Mo do fo mo hoe doe

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Just buy an E36 M3 if you want the 6 cylinder. I meant work the top end of the 4 cylinder to let it breathe/rev like the E30M3. It's got E30 rear suspension too, so at that point you have a pretty good approximation of the "greatest sports sedan of all time" for next to no money.

DASC made a supercharger for the 4banger too.

Haven't in years

[Apex]

DASC made a supercharger for the 4banger too.

Haven't in years

My bro found a NOS carburated supercharger for the M10 in his E21. I'm sure there are some laying around somewhere that could be found.

[troyguitar]

Just buy an E36 M3 if you want the 6 cylinder. I meant work the top end of the 4 cylinder to let it breathe/rev like the E30M3. It's got E30 rear suspension too, so at that point you have a pretty good approximation of the "greatest sports sedan of all time" for next to no money.

The aftermarket isn't there for the M42 4-cyl. It was the same engine I had in my e30 ('91 318is), and it was spritely, but nothing to write home about.

The E30 M3 only made 192 hp, they're slow cars.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/proje ... -teardown/

He was also more than willing to show us and our readers what he had learned about these interesting M42 engines.

His thought was to take our original engine and rebuild it with a lightened, balanced rotating assembly, and better cam profile.

He would bore it and use a crank from an M44 Z3 engine to give us 2.0 liters, instead of our original 1.8.

He would bump the compression up a bit, improve our breathing with his valve train tricks and then finish the whole thing off with a lightened clutch and flywheel assembly.

We could expect a completely rebuilt engine and roughly 40 more horsepower and still retain (cosmetically at least) the original engine with its great drivability and fun-to-drive nature.

So we would have a car that would give an E30 M3 fits, and be all in for $10,000-15,000 with about half that figure being in the engine.

Real world current retail pricing is more like $10k for a built 2L engine with light flywheel/clutch and tune:

http://metricmechanic.com/m42-m44-engines/

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The aftermarket isn't there for the M42 4-cyl. It was the same engine I had in my e30 ('91 318is), and it was spritely, but nothing to write home about.

The E30 M3 only made 192 hp, they're slow cars.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/proje ... -teardown/

He was also more than willing to show us and our readers what he had learned about these interesting M42 engines.

His thought was to take our original engine and rebuild it with a lightened, balanced rotating assembly, and better cam profile.

He would bore it and use a crank from an M44 Z3 engine to give us 2.0 liters, instead of our original 1.8.

He would bump the compression up a bit, improve our breathing with his valve train tricks and then finish the whole thing off with a lightened clutch and flywheel assembly.

We could expect a completely rebuilt engine and roughly 40 more horsepower and still retain (cosmetically at least) the original engine with its great drivability and fun-to-drive nature.

So we would have a car that would give an E30 M3 fits, and be all in for $10,000-15,000 with about half that figure being in the engine.

Real world current retail pricing is more like $10k for a built 2L engine with light flywheel/clutch and tune:

http://metricmechanic.com/m42-m44-engines/

Well, sure...one off custom shit would be cool, but I hardly call that a robust aftermarket.

[troyguitar]

Everything else on the whole car is available everywhere and you only build the engine once.

You have to want to drive (drive - not own or look at, you can't see the box flares from the driver's seat) an E30 M3 more than anything else but not have $100k+ to buy one, otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[Davestr]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-bmw-3-ser ... 1830970018 -- The 2019 BMW 3 Series Is Back to Being a Great Driver's Car Even Without the Manual

Why get that when the Mazda 6 is way better from a brand that actually cares about driving, unlike this stupid thing.

Ummmm....ok. I will reserve ''judgement'' till after the M340 test. Might be a nice replacement for the M235i. Its no "Mazda' but does have this: 382 HP and 369 lb-ft