Car talk tré: Carpocalypse Now!

[Johnny_P]

Well, I helped my friend just buy a 19 Cherokee with 9k on the hood, you can have a nicely optioned one at 20k which is pretty insane. The yoders will be far more expensive

The new Cherokee's look WAY better than the old ones too. They should have all the kinks worked out of the 9-speed as well.

I hope they do. That 9 speed was absolutely horrific when I test drove a Cherokee when they first came out.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Colorado people rave about the pedal commander, but it's always about increased throttle response. The box has different modes, eco mode might do what you want, and it's 100% reversible. Might be worth asking the company. I can totally see how a touchy throttle would be annoying in the city.

The stock ramping is ridiculous. With the car in "Intelligent" you touch the pedal and the readout says it's at 10%. Go halfway down and it's claiming you're basically WOT. The WRX was worse than that if you can believe it. My car is undriveable in Sport Sharp mode from a stop. Fun in Sport on a back road where it wakes up.

But yeah, smoothing out that initial pedal travel would be wonderful.

To flat brimmers that know no better, it probably makes the car feel crazy fast.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The new Cherokee's look WAY better than the old ones too. They should have all the kinks worked out of the 9-speed as well.

I hope they do. That 9 speed was absolutely horrific when I test drove a Cherokee when they first came out.

They had to have made it better by now.

[max225]

Well, I helped my friend just buy a 19 Cherokee with 9k on the hood, you can have a nicely optioned one at 20k which is pretty insane. The yoders will be far more expensive

Can't stand that transmission in the Cherokee. Spec wise it seems like a good fit for me with the V6 and good suspension travel, but that trans kills it. Grand Cherokee doe. But kind of a mom mobile at this point, and also rather large.

Have you driven one outside of the internet hearsay!?. I’d think they have the bugs worked out by now.
Grand cherokee is a full 10k more for no reason

[ChrisoftheNorth]

This is legit



And the rear is massively improved:

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The trailhawk with plastic bumpers will hide scrapes from park by feel too...and they're probably not that hard or expensive to replace.

[max225]

This is legit



And the rear is massively improved:

The best part is the price and feature content. You can basically get 2 trailhawks for the price of 1 loaded rubicon. But it just doesn’t have “character” as they are churning out fwd versions at 16-8k

[ChrisoftheNorth]

This is legit



And the rear is massively improved:

The best part is the price and feature content. You can basically get 2 trailhawks for the price of 1 loaded rubicon. But it just doesn’t have “character” as they are churning out fwd versions at 16-8k

I dunno, I think the trailhawk has plenty of "character" when compared to the rest of the compact SUV/CUV space.

[max225]

The best part is the price and feature content. You can basically get 2 trailhawks for the price of 1 loaded rubicon. But it just doesn’t have “character” as they are churning out fwd versions at 16-8k

I dunno, I think the trailhawk has plenty of "character" when compared to the rest of the compact SUV/CUV space.

Seeing the 16-8k versions loaded up with dirty diapers and chrotchfruit at every dollar store kills it for me

Still like em tho ... but I can’t imagine owning one and not feeling like I have cheaped out...

[Johnny_P]

The stock ramping is ridiculous. With the car in "Intelligent" you touch the pedal and the readout says it's at 10%. Go halfway down and it's claiming you're basically WOT. The WRX was worse than that if you can believe it. My car is undriveable in Sport Sharp mode from a stop. Fun in Sport on a back road where it wakes up.

But yeah, smoothing out that initial pedal travel would be wonderful.

To flat brimmers that know no better, it probably makes the car feel crazy fast.

Got me, there's a lot of complaints about it from the flatbrim community though. That and "the factory tune sucks."
I mean if that's all that I don't really like about the car it's not bad overall.

[Johnny_P]

Can't stand that transmission in the Cherokee. Spec wise it seems like a good fit for me with the V6 and good suspension travel, but that trans kills it. Grand Cherokee doe. But kind of a mom mobile at this point, and also rather large.

Have you driven one outside of the internet hearsay!?. I’d think they have the bugs worked out by now.
Grand cherokee is a full 10k more for no reason

Not recently but yes I did take a Cherokee TrailCAWK V6 out on a test drive back when. Uh. 2013? Really clunky and harsh shifts, extremely hesitant to downshift and then when it did it jumped 3 gears and revved the engine far too much. Really disjointed driving experience.

[Johnny_P]

The best part is the price and feature content. You can basically get 2 trailhawks for the price of 1 loaded rubicon. But it just doesn’t have “character” as they are churning out fwd versions at 16-8k

I dunno, I think the trailhawk has plenty of "character" when compared to the rest of the compact SUV/CUV space.

I like the looks of them. Actually liked the pre-refresh a lot more because I found it unique. Personal preference doe.
They're full of features and pretty well loaded out. Apparently perform nicely off road too. The Wrangler has more character and feels more special to drive for sure, but not like this is exactly bad. I've liked the generic CUVs I've had as rentals, for the most part. Would certainly be easier to live with vs the Wrangler.

[max225]

Elon just tweeted that the model 3 with dual motors will be faster and better handling than an M3

Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k. About same as BMW M3, but 15% quicker & with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track.

Tesla dual motor, all-wheel drive performance Model 3:
3.5 sec 0-60mph
155 mph Top Speed
310 mile Range

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Elon just tweeted that the model 3 with dual motors will be faster and better handling than an M3

Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k. About same as BMW M3, but 15% quicker & with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track.

Tesla dual motor, all-wheel drive performance Model 3:
3.5 sec 0-60mph
155 mph Top Speed
310 mile Range

The dude has gone comparing this to an M3.

3.5 to 60 is quite

[max225]

Elon just tweeted that the model 3 with dual motors will be faster and better handling than an M3

The dude has gone comparing this to an M3.

3.5 to 60 is quite

That range is comparable to my car as well.... also the D version has got to be heavy... 4000lb+ so unless it rolls on 305 tires all around I don’t see how it can handle comparably... my car is on basically some of the best street tires around in fairly wide sizes and it has a pretty crazy suspension... how a model 3 will top is quite fascinating to me ...

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The dude has gone comparing this to an M3.

3.5 to 60 is quite

That range is comparable to my car as well.... also the D version has got to be heavy... 4000lb+ so unless it rolls on 305 tires all around I don’t see how it can handle comparably... my car is on basically some of the best street tires around in fairly wide sizes and it has a pretty crazy suspension... how a model 3 will top is quite fascinating to me ...

No way. He's gone full

Maybe on a drag strip...on the first pass of a fully charged battery the Model 3 will beat an M3 in the 1/8 mile. But that's it. M3 will be the superior car when it comes to any other sort of performance.

[Johnny_P]

The dude has gone comparing this to an M3.

3.5 to 60 is quite

That range is comparable to my car as well.... also the D version has got to be heavy... 4000lb+ so unless it rolls on 305 tires all around I don’t see how it can handle comparably... my car is on basically some of the best street tires around in fairly wide sizes and it has a pretty crazy suspension... how a model 3 will top is quite fascinating to me ...

Lower center of gravity will help handling. True torque vectoring. Double wishbone suspension vs McPherson struts. I dunno, I'm interested to see how it performs at least.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

That range is comparable to my car as well.... also the D version has got to be heavy... 4000lb+ so unless it rolls on 305 tires all around I don’t see how it can handle comparably... my car is on basically some of the best street tires around in fairly wide sizes and it has a pretty crazy suspension... how a model 3 will top is quite fascinating to me ...

Lower center of gravity will help handling. True torque vectoring. Double wishbone suspension vs McPherson struts. I dunno, I'm interested to see how it performs at least.

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[Calvinball]

To flat brimmers that know no better, it probably makes the car feel crazy fast.

Got me, there's a lot of complaints about it from the flatbrim community though. That and "the factory tune sucks."
I mean if that's all that I don't really like about the car it's not bad overall.

I think it’s a personal taste thing. I actually had my tuner up the throttle response and I loved it for my commute through Philly. Better to dart in and out when on Broad.


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[MexicanYarisTK]

Elon just tweeted that the model 3 with dual motors will be faster and better handling than an M3

Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k. About same as BMW M3, but 15% quicker & with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track.

Tesla dual motor, all-wheel drive performance Model 3:
3.5 sec 0-60mph
155 mph Top Speed
310 mile Range

Of course the top speed is exactly the same as the m3 limiter

[Davestr]

That range is comparable to my car as well.... also the D version has got to be heavy... 4000lb+ so unless it rolls on 305 tires all around I don’t see how it can handle comparably... my car is on basically some of the best street tires around in fairly wide sizes and it has a pretty crazy suspension... how a model 3 will top is quite fascinating to me ...

No way. He's gone full

Maybe on a drag strip...on the first pass of a fully charged battery the Model 3 will beat an M3 in the 1/8 mile. But that's it. M3 will be the superior car when it comes to any other sort of performance.

Yep. Its one and done and boring after that. Yo but dat auto - killing the pilot - system LOL

[max225]

Anotha one... man 2018 saw quite a few fatalities in the model S/X
3 Dead teens in florida in a (model S)
Cali Chinese dude that fucked himself into a median (Model X)
Cali Chinese dude in a lake (Model S)
Just like the positive press Tesla sure gets a lot of negative press as well... meanwhile... 30k ppl die annually in other vehicles....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/new ... 630798002/

Keith Leung, 34, of Danville, Calif.

prob another one fooling autopilot with an orange stuck in the wheel

[MexicanYarisTK]

thinks so much about m3 performance, forgets the brakes.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/consum ... sh-brakes/

[max225]

thinks so much about m3 performance, forgets the brakes.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/consum ... sh-brakes/

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m3/2 ... st-review/

Meanwhile my car stops 60-0 in 101 feet a fucking full 50 feet less.

[MexicanYarisTK]

thinks so much about m3 performance, forgets the brakes.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/consum ... sh-brakes/

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m3/2 ... st-review/

Meanwhile my car stops 60-0 in 101 feet a fucking full 50 feet less.

CR wrote in the report:

The Tesla’s stopping distance of 152 feet from 60 mph was far worse than any contemporary car we’ve tested and about 7 feet longer than the stopping distance of a Ford F-150 full-sized pickup.