Gotta love people making decisions on products that they don't give a fuck about.
That's GM. Starts to make sense looking at their current product lineup.
I said on a different forum that I think GM put all of their designers on the C8 and farmed out the rest of their products to the same people Boeing used for the 737 software.
Gotta love people making decisions on products that they don't give a fuck about.
That's how you end up with a fucking Fraud Ranger... or any of the other garbage they put out in the last 5 years...
Yep, another great example.
ZOMG Midsize trucks are selling like hot cakes, quick...get the Ranger in the US.
Nobody bothered to mention that it sucks because they didn't know because they don't care.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:04 pm
That's GM. Starts to make sense looking at their current product lineup.
I said on a different forum that I think GM put all of their designers on the C8 and farmed out the rest of their products to the same people Boeing used for the 737 software.
When Welburn retired, design went to shit. The new guy wanted to make his mark...and he obviously did, just not in a good way.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:04 pm
That's GM. Starts to make sense looking at their current product lineup.
Dude... we're like lately
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
I said on a different forum that I think GM put all of their designers on the C8 and farmed out the rest of their products to the same people Boeing used for the 737 software.
When Welburn retired, design went to shit. The new guy wanted to make his mark...and he obviously did, just not in a good way.
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:01 pm
Air bubble with doors off. Got it.
Will definitely buy my 2045 Wrangler with these features.
In 2047 for 20.47% off msrp
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
That's how you end up with a fucking Fraud Ranger... or any of the other garbage they put out in the last 5 years...
I think Ford expected the Ranger name to carry more weight than it actually does.
I am waiting for them to fuck up the Bronco.... now that would be a real disappointment. If they can't get that right... which isn't FUCKING HARD they can't do anything right.
Use ranger chassis... /shorten by 18/24"
Get it some 17' wheel + 33" BFG K02.
Use the same 2.3 I4 or 2.7 already in the line up
Give it a roll cage + some sort of plastic roof that jeep uses
Make it look like a box
Give it funky 70s throw back pastel colors
Give it a rear locker and a 2.72:1 T case.
Like FUCK it will fly off the shelves @ 35-45k and it ISN'T HARD TO DO ANNDDDDD they already have most of the off the shelf parts already.
I think Ford expected the Ranger name to carry more weight than it actually does.
I am waiting for them to fuck up the Bronco.... now that would be a real disappointment. If they can't get that right... which isn't FUCKING HARD they can't do anything right.
Use ranger chassis... /shorten by 18/24"
Get it some 17' wheel + 33" BFG K02.
Use the same 2.3 I4 or 2.7 already in the line up
Give it a roll cage + some sort of plastic roof that jeep uses
Make it look like a box
Give it funky 70s throw back pastel colors
Give it a rear locker and a 2.72:1 T case.
Like FUCK it will fly off the shelves @ 35-45k and it ISN'T HARD TO DO ANNDDDDD they already have most of the off the shelf parts already.
I think Ford expected the Ranger name to carry more weight than it actually does.
I am waiting for them to fuck up the Bronco.... now that would be a real disappointment. If they can't get that right... which isn't FUCKING HARD they can't do anything right.
Use ranger chassis... /shorten by 18/24"
Get it some 17' wheel + 33" BFG K02.
Use the same 2.3 I4 or 2.7 already in the line up
Give it a roll cage + some sort of plastic roof that jeep uses
Make it look like a box
Give it funky 70s throw back pastel colors
Give it a rear locker and a 2.72:1 T case.
Like FUCK it will fly off the shelves @ 35-45k and it ISN'T HARD TO DO ANNDDDDD they already have most of the off the shelf parts already.
I think some actual thought is going into the Bronco. There are even rumors of Getrag having developed a new 7 speed manual for it.
I am waiting for them to fuck up the Bronco.... now that would be a real disappointment. If they can't get that right... which isn't FUCKING HARD they can't do anything right.
Use ranger chassis... /shorten by 18/24"
Get it some 17' wheel + 33" BFG K02.
Use the same 2.3 I4 or 2.7 already in the line up
Give it a roll cage + some sort of plastic roof that jeep uses
Make it look like a box
Give it funky 70s throw back pastel colors
Give it a rear locker and a 2.72:1 T case.
Like FUCK it will fly off the shelves @ 35-45k and it ISN'T HARD TO DO ANNDDDDD they already have most of the off the shelf parts already.
I think some actual thought is going into the Bronco. There are even rumors of Getrag having developed a new 7 speed manual for it.
Why on earth would it need a 7 speed manual. That seems like a complete an utter waste.
Why on earth would it need a 7 speed manual. That seems like a complete an utter waste.
Jalopnik.
It'll have a 2% take rate, and Ford will have lit a few hundred million on fire for nothing.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
It'll have a 2% take rate, and Ford will have lit a few hundred million on fire for nothing.
See this is a business decision I would have to get market research for.
Take rate for for tacoma
Take rate for for
Take rate for historical Bronco sales
If under 20% fuck it and save money. Give it a better engine/lights or some extra standard equipment instead... lighting money on fire when it comes to this shit... 7 speed manual... the fuck.. throw that chinese piece of shit tranny from the mustang in there if anything. There is money to be spent on this platform...as it is not a CUV or full size truck so there is little cross over.
It'll have a 2% take rate, and Ford will have lit a few hundred million on fire for nothing.
See this is a business decision I would have to get market research for.
Take rate for for tacoma
Take rate for for
Take rate for historical Bronco sales
If under 20% fuck it and save money. Give it a better engine/lights or some extra standard equipment instead... lighting money on fire when it comes to this shit... 7 speed manual... the fuck.. throw that chinese piece of shit tranny from the mustang in there if anything. There is money to be spent on this platform...as it is not a CUV or full size truck so there is little cross over.
Right. Developing a new trans for this makes zero sense at all. There is no business case in the world that makes this positive unless it's 100%
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
And lets be real, the auto is better. Hardcore wheeling Jeep dudes all have autos now. It shifts faster, is always in the right gear, easier to drive, still fun. Get over it.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:38 pm
And lets be real, the auto is better. Hardcore wheeling Jeep dudes all have autos now. It shifts faster, is always in the right gear, easier to drive, still fun. Get over it.
While is true... there are some 's that are give me or death.... my buddy with Green rubi is soft top + didn't even consider the auto... because reasons.
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:38 pm
And lets be real, the auto is better. Hardcore wheeling Jeep dudes all have autos now. It shifts faster, is always in the right gear, easier to drive, still fun. Get over it.
Once they got an auto that didn't suck there's little reason to go
Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:38 pm
And lets be real, the auto is better. Hardcore wheeling Jeep dudes all have autos now. It shifts faster, is always in the right gear, easier to drive, still fun. Get over it.
Once they got an auto that didn't suck there's little reason to go
Exactly. Autos used to suck...but they've come a really long way now.
I'm a diehard fan, but you have to be able to admit when it doesn't make sense anymore.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
I think some actual thought is going into the Bronco. There are even rumors of Getrag having developed a new 7 speed manual for it.
Why on earth would it need a 7 speed manual. That seems like a complete an utter waste.
The global Ranger already has a 6 speed manual option. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have just put that in unless they planned on updating the trans for the entire platform anyways. Hell, GM developed a 7 speed for the C7 and put it in nothing else.
I think what’s happening with the Taco is people go shop a Gladiator. Holy fuck it’s $60k. Well the Taco has been “the best” for a while let’s go check it out. It looks cool, and it’s $20k cheaper. Done.
Or someone checking out a Ranger cross shops it with literally anything and gets that instead.
lately 
dudes that are doing all they can but they are tasked with making a mountain of a mole hill. SAD!
for tacoma
's that are give me 
there's little reason to go