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:dat:

I took a look around to see if there was anything I'd want for schitzengiggel but every one is missing something critical.
https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
No LSD, doe?
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:45 pm
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:11 pm

https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
No LSD, doe?
Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
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No LSD, doe?
Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?

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Zillon wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:45 pm
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:11 pm

https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
No LSD, doe?
The brake based LSD is just fine, jeeps are super capable even at the lowest levels. I don't see the big deal.

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Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:34 pm

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No LSD, doe?
The brake based LSD is just fine, jeeps are super capable even at the lowest levels. I don't see the big deal.
Yep, exactly.
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Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
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How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:

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Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:36 pm
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$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
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$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
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How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
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35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.

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35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.
JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
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I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.
JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
Right my whole comment was around the sport not the rubi. I'd think a rubi left stock would do incredibly well as well.

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JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
Right my whole comment was around the sport not the rubi. I'd think a rubi left stock would do incredibly well as well.
It really benefits from 35s...that extra inch or so of ground clearance makes a surprising difference...they can do things modified JKs barely can.
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Something really crazy is happening in my area, Avis is unloading a shit ton of 2018 jkus with 25/30k miles for 25k... must have at least 100+ in the greater area. :mindblown:

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So @detroit you may have a point, fca looks like it’s trying to make a :truk: move happen... 15k on the hood of ram 1500s so it must be the sales lever that was determined for the 4th, the others will be used to offset the drop in asps on the :trukvaganza:

12k on the hood of JGCs

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So @detroit you may have a point, fca looks like it’s trying to make a :truk: move happen... 15k on the hood of ram 1500s so it must be the sales lever that was determined for the 4th, the others will be used to offset the drop in asps on the :trukvaganza:

12k on the hood of JGCs
I know...the pot of incentive money is only so big. Looks like they're pushing :truk: and other volume SUVs like the GC. Both are highly profitable, so it makes sense.

Just weird kicking the can of the 18/19/20 problem for JLs. The more I think about it, the less I want a leftover 18 because of all the compromises on features. "Deals" will need to come down another $2-3k for me to be interested...I could just go order a 2020 model exactly as I want, pay nearly the same, and have timing work out better for replacing the ZR2.
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Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
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Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
Can't hurt to check some out.

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Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
Can't hurt to check some out.
Yea...it's just a matter of finding time to get her to the dealer.

She has zero interest in testing things out, but will then complain about anything we end up with because she "didn't pick it".

Hence my dread with all this. :rolleyes:
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Can't hurt to check some out.
Yea...it's just a matter of finding time to get her to the dealer.

She has zero interest in testing things out, but will then complain about anything we end up with because she "didn't pick it".

Hence my dread with all this. :rolleyes:
She sounds exactly like wifey's mom. Will never step foot in a dealership, and sends her husband out to buy everything. But then 6 months later something is "annoying" or whatever so they repeat the process. :fullretard:
The latest is the Lexus ES they got maybe 4-6 months ago has an analog speedo and not digital, so it's getting :plac: d.

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Yea...it's just a matter of finding time to get her to the dealer.

She has zero interest in testing things out, but will then complain about anything we end up with because she "didn't pick it".

Hence my dread with all this. :rolleyes:
She sounds exactly like wifey's mom. Will never step foot in a dealership, and sends her husband out to buy everything. But then 6 months later something is "annoying" or whatever so they repeat the process. :fullretard:
The latest is the Lexus ES they got maybe 4-6 months ago has an analog speedo and not digital, so it's getting :plac: d.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This is how it goes:

:tits: "I hate this car"
Me: "Ok, why?"
:tits: "I'm over it, it's stupid"
Me: "You liked it when we got it, what changed?"
:tits: "YOU forced me into this, I never wanted it"
Me: :rolleyes:
:tits: :triggered:
Me: "Ok, lets go check out some stuff at the dealer"
:tits: "OK"
Me (a few days later): "Lets go to the dealer and check out some cars after work this Thursday"
:tits: "Can't, we have plans with Soand So"
Me: "OK, when can we go?"
:tits: :iono:
Me: "So you're OK with the car then?"
:tits: "Hell no, I hate it and NEED something else. You just pick it out...I want a heated steering wheel"
THIS IS WHERE THINGS WILL DIVERGE THIS TIME
Me (previous): "OK, how do you like the Volt? I can get a great price on one and it comes with a heated steering wheel"
:tits: "Sounds great to me! I just rode in one and really liked it."
VS
Me (now): "I'm not picking out shit. If you want a new vehicle, you need to find the time to pick it out. Otherwise, deal with what you have"
:tits: :triggered:
Me: :triggered:

:rage: :rolleyes:
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She sounds exactly like wifey's mom. Will never step foot in a dealership, and sends her husband out to buy everything. But then 6 months later something is "annoying" or whatever so they repeat the process. :fullretard:
The latest is the Lexus ES they got maybe 4-6 months ago has an analog speedo and not digital, so it's getting :plac: d.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This is how it goes:

:tits: "I hate this car"
Me: "Ok, why?"
:tits: "I'm over it, it's stupid"
Me: "You liked it when we got it, what changed?"
:tits: "YOU forced me into this, I never wanted it"
Me: :rolleyes:
:tits: :triggered:
Me: "Ok, lets go check out some stuff at the dealer"
:tits: "OK"
Me (a few days later): "Lets go to the dealer and check out some cars after work this Thursday"
:tits: "Can't, we have plans with Soand So"
Me: "OK, when can we go?"
:tits: :iono:
Me: "So you're OK with the car then?"
:tits: "Hell no, I hate it and NEED something else. You just pick it out...I want a heated steering wheel"
THIS IS WHERE THINGS WILL DIVERGE THIS TIME
Me (previous): "OK, how do you like the Volt? I can get a great price on one and it comes with a heated steering wheel"
:tits: "Sounds great to me! I just rode in one and really liked it."
VS
Me (now): "I'm not picking out shit. If you want a new vehicle, you need to find the time to pick it out. Otherwise, deal with what you have"
:tits: :triggered:
Me: :triggered:

:rage: :rolleyes:
:disgust: it doesn't need to be that difficult.

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:waxer: problems. Imageol:

I need a new $50k :truk: to drive 2 miles a day, but I can't be bothered to go pick it up myself. Isn't there an app for that?

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:29 am
Detroit wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This is how it goes:

:tits: "I hate this car"
Me: "Ok, why?"
:tits: "I'm over it, it's stupid"
Me: "You liked it when we got it, what changed?"
:tits: "YOU forced me into this, I never wanted it"
Me: :rolleyes:
:tits: :triggered:
Me: "Ok, lets go check out some stuff at the dealer"
:tits: "OK"
Me (a few days later): "Lets go to the dealer and check out some cars after work this Thursday"
:tits: "Can't, we have plans with Soand So"
Me: "OK, when can we go?"
:tits: :iono:
Me: "So you're OK with the car then?"
:tits: "Hell no, I hate it and NEED something else. You just pick it out...I want a heated steering wheel"
THIS IS WHERE THINGS WILL DIVERGE THIS TIME
Me (previous): "OK, how do you like the Volt? I can get a great price on one and it comes with a heated steering wheel"
:tits: "Sounds great to me! I just rode in one and really liked it."
VS
Me (now): "I'm not picking out shit. If you want a new vehicle, you need to find the time to pick it out. Otherwise, deal with what you have"
:tits: :triggered:
Me: :triggered:

:rage: :rolleyes:
:disgust: it doesn't need to be that difficult.
No shit. But this has been the pattern since I've known her.

When we met she had a 2nd gen base Honda Fit auto. I fucking hated that thing. I got a lifted XJ that she loved and started driving that...which I didn't care because I had my 951 at the time.

Then she started complaining about how shitty the 951 was with it's lack of AC, racing suspension, etc and that I needed something else. I sold the POS Fit and the 951 for a MKV IIRC, and then the XJ started having overheating issues, so I sold it and the MKV for the JK Rubicon and bought my e30. That was fine until we made it to MI and the soft top/half door JK wasn't OK in the winter. So I got her the Saab 9-4x, which was an EPIC vehicle for her...until the heated steering wheel :bs: started.

The root issue is ME choosing all the vehicles. The XJ, JK, Saab, and Volt were all my choices based on either me wanting it for myself and her stealing it (XJ, JK) or me picking a vehicle based off her given criteria. She doesn't even really care all that much, I have no idea why she makes such a big deal out of things.
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