Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep

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Thu May 16, 2019 1:50 pm

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Brand loyalty can definitely cloud the judgment.
If it has no merit, for sure. But buying a Toyota because they have not wronged you due to stellar reliability ... I can get behind that
Solely going to one specific brand without even considering other options is what I'm referring to. My mom does that shit with Lexus/Toyota. She's bought a 2005 Highlander, 2008 RX 350, 2010 RX350, 2014 RX 350, and a 2017 RX 350. When she decided that she needed a truck in addition to her RX 350, she bought a 2018 Tacoma. Not once has she ever looked at anything else.

She's the type of person who would blindly buy a 4Runner without even considering any other option.

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If it has no merit, for sure. But buying a Toyota because they have not wronged you due to stellar reliability ... I can get behind that
Solely going to one specific brand without even considering other options is what I'm referring to. My mom does that shit with Lexus/Toyota. She's bought a 2005 Highlander, 2008 RX 350, 2010 RX350, 2014 RX 350, and a 2017 RX 350. When she decided that she needed a truck in addition to her RX 350, she bought a 2018 Tacoma. Not once has she ever looked at anything else.

She's the type of person who would blindly buy a 4Runner without even considering any other option.
Most people would cross shop before making a 40k purchase but obviously there are plenty of people like that and others like :plac:

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Thu May 16, 2019 1:52 pm
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:50 pm


Solely going to one specific brand without even considering other options is what I'm referring to. My mom does that shit with Lexus/Toyota. She's bought a 2005 Highlander, 2008 RX 350, 2010 RX350, 2014 RX 350, and a 2017 RX 350. When she decided that she needed a truck in addition to her RX 350, she bought a 2018 Tacoma. Not once has she ever looked at anything else.

She's the type of person who would blindly buy a 4Runner without even considering any other option.
Most people would cross shop before making a 40k purchase but obviously there are plenty of people like that and others like :plac:
Ray ray has done this. Despite a few gripes and selling/buy a car every 3 years... (refuses to look at lease options) he buys a new honda pilot like clockwork.

Talks about maybe shopping. Walks into honduh dealer as talking wallet. Gets fleeced. Walks out with new honduh.

He was also cross shopping a honda pilot and a new landrover range.... without ever actually driving a range.... only to justify the great deal/value on Pilot. :derp:
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Huckleberry wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 1:50 pm
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:01 pm


If it has no merit, for sure. But buying a Toyota because they have not wronged you due to stellar reliability ... I can get behind that
Solely going to one specific brand without even considering other options is what I'm referring to. My mom does that shit with Lexus/Toyota. She's bought a 2005 Highlander, 2008 RX 350, 2010 RX350, 2014 RX 350, and a 2017 RX 350. When she decided that she needed a truck in addition to her RX 350, she bought a 2018 Tacoma. Not once has she ever looked at anything else.

She's the type of person who would blindly buy a 4Runner without even considering any other option.
If you're going to be brand loyal, that's a better way to go than say, Jaguar or Range Rover
max225 wrote: You can't "hoon" a pos like that. You can however set up a methlab.

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Thu May 16, 2019 3:39 pm

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Thu May 16, 2019 2:51 pm
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:50 pm


Solely going to one specific brand without even considering other options is what I'm referring to. My mom does that shit with Lexus/Toyota. She's bought a 2005 Highlander, 2008 RX 350, 2010 RX350, 2014 RX 350, and a 2017 RX 350. When she decided that she needed a truck in addition to her RX 350, she bought a 2018 Tacoma. Not once has she ever looked at anything else.

She's the type of person who would blindly buy a 4Runner without even considering any other option.
If you're going to be brand loyal, that's a better way to go than say, Jaguar or Range Rover
A first owner for a Range Rover doesn't usually own it out of warranty so it's not like the give a fk about any repairs unless their newish car starts leaving them stranded next to the Chanel store on Rodeo drive.

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Thu May 16, 2019 3:47 pm

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Thu May 16, 2019 3:39 pm
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If you're going to be brand loyal, that's a better way to go than say, Jaguar or Range Rover
A first owner for a Range Rover doesn't usually own it out of warranty so it's not like the give a fk about any repairs unless their newish car starts leaving them stranded next to the Chanel store on Rodeo drive.
More of a depreciation comment than a reliability one, but sure, rich people give no fucks about this and a lot more.
max225 wrote: You can't "hoon" a pos like that. You can however set up a methlab.

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A first owner for a Range Rover doesn't usually own it out of warranty so it's not like the give a fk about any repairs unless their newish car starts leaving them stranded next to the Chanel store on Rodeo drive.
More of a depreciation comment than a reliability one, but sure, rich people give no fucks about this and a lot more.
I would think that the average household income of a RR owner is well into the 7 figures, so the fact that it loses "60k" in 4 years is chump change, when the country club charges that monthly.

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Thu May 16, 2019 4:31 pm
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More of a depreciation comment than a reliability one, but sure, rich people give no fucks about this and a lot more.
I would think that the average household income of a RR owner is well into the 7 figures, so the fact that it loses "60k" in 4 years is chump change, when the country club charges that monthly.
Ok Max, I should never have posted in the first place.
max225 wrote: You can't "hoon" a pos like that. You can however set up a methlab.

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Thu May 16, 2019 4:41 pm

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I would think that the average household income of a RR owner is well into the 7 figures, so the fact that it loses "60k" in 4 years is chump change, when the country club charges that monthly.
Ok Max, I should never have posted in the first place.
:lol: Keep posting, you've been slacking lately. :like:

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No more hood flutter. Ever.
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:16 pm

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Go on.
max225 wrote: You can't "hoon" a pos like that. You can however set up a methlab.

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Thu May 16, 2019 5:18 pm

He didn't buy a JL it is just what looks to be a JL latch on a JK. But it took me a double take also.

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Thu May 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Which latch? That’s one small thing I’ve wanted to do.
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He didn't buy a JL it is just what looks to be a JL latch on a JK. But it took me a double take also.
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Which latch? That’s one small thing I’ve wanted to do.
JL latch fits right onto the JK with some modification to the latch itself. Just need to trim and sand the alignment tabs flat on the lower latch half. It self aligns without the tabs. I reused the OE nuts.

I bought a set of these off of Amazon as an experiment, seem to be equivalent to OEM for half the price.
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:27 pm

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Any reason why you didn't get locking ones?

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Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm

Yo @Detroit,

What's the internal word on the JL? Is it performing to expectations or above/below ?

Curious. I don't think that's any sort of insider info at all.

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Any reason why you didn't get locking ones?
Because they’re annoying and ugly.

I’d sooner do the hood lock than locking latches.
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:33 pm

but imagine if someone wanted to steal your oil cap.. or the whole engine :doomed:

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:nice:

Any reason why you didn't get locking ones?
Because they’re annoying and ugly.

I’d sooner do the hood lock than locking latches.
Fair enough. :like:

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but imagine if someone wanted to steal your oil cap.. or the whole engine :doomed:
I'd be more concerned about the battery going missing...



Like if someone took a week long trip to TN. :trollface:

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:nice:
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Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 pm

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Yo @Detroit,

What's the internal word on the JL? Is it performing to expectations or above/below ?

Curious. I don't think that's any sort of insider info at all.
Good question. I don't have much contact with sales anymore, so it's hard to say. I'm in product planning, spending more time on new feature/vehicle development. Which, your concerns about wind noise have not gone unnoticed, especially recently. We've been tasked with further improving daily livability.

You might want to wait a few years if it's a serious concern.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 pm

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Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 pm
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm
Yo @Detroit,

What's the internal word on the JL? Is it performing to expectations or above/below ?

Curious. I don't think that's any sort of insider info at all.
Good question. I don't have much contact with sales anymore, so it's hard to say. I'm in product planning, spending more time on new feature/vehicle development. Which, your concerns about wind noise have not gone unnoticed, especially recently. We've been tasked with further improving daily livability.

You might want to wait a few years if it's a serious concern.
Well I am being 100% honest here, I loved 90% of the vehicle. To me that is a DD issue. Braking/steering/accelerating etc are all fine. Wind noise and being tossed around on the freeway during windy conditions wasn't. I don't remember anywhere near this issue on the suburban I took on the same route, so the whole "boxy" argument goes out the window.

Sub 65mph and no headwind the JL is completely fine, and the porta potty roof is MORE insulating than the one in my M3 which is REALLY WARM to the touch even through the insulation, the Jeep in 105F direct sun was luke warm.

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Thu May 16, 2019 9:29 pm

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Good question. I don't have much contact with sales anymore, so it's hard to say. I'm in product planning, spending more time on new feature/vehicle development. Which, your concerns about wind noise have not gone unnoticed, especially recently. We've been tasked with further improving daily livability.

You might want to wait a few years if it's a serious concern.
Well I am being 100% honest here, I loved 90% of the vehicle. To me that is a DD issue. Braking/steering/accelerating etc are all fine. Wind noise and being tossed around on the freeway during windy conditions wasn't. I don't remember anywhere near this issue on the suburban I took on the same route, so the whole "boxy" argument goes out the window.

Sub 65mph and no headwind the JL is completely fine, and the porta potty roof is MORE insulating than the one in my M3 which is REALLY WARM to the touch even through the insulation, the Jeep in 105F direct sun was luke warm.
There's been a lot of complaints of wind noise. My boss (who hired me) recently started in his gig from Ram. He thinks the JL shouldn't have been marked salable with the current wind noise. The JL was such a quantum leap over the JK that he thinks nobody pushed hard enough to justify the higher price of the vehicle. It has to do with the removable roof. Drive one with the power top, and it's WAY quieter because it's not intended to be removed and can seal properly.

The being tossed around on the freeway is due to the archaic solid front axle. There's nothing you can do about that without going IFS, which would make people :triggered: I personally think IFS isn't the hindrance it once was and should be reconsidered. I may or may not get anywhere with that.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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