Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep

[max225]

Wrangler sold 110k units YTD. vs 80k LY, which was annualized at 200k sales. At that rate they'll be at 300k+ Units for the year. nearly the same amount as the corolla which sold 136k, however Jan-March they were not selling many JLUs... due to fucktory bottle necks... I think it'll outsell them by year end.

[max225]

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/recall ... -wrangler/

#Firstmodelyearfun
Some dudes were posting about this on the forums... basically, you lose steering control...

[ChrisoftheNorth]

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/recall ... -wrangler/

#Firstmodelyearfun
Some dudes were posting about this on the forums... basically, you lose steering control...

Sounds more like the shaft can slip and off-center the wheel. Also sounds like a supplier issue that could happen to any OEM at any time in a product lifecycle.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Wrangler sold 110k units YTD. vs 80k LY, which was annualized at 200k sales. At that rate they'll be at 300k+ Units for the year. nearly the same amount as the corolla which sold 136k, however Jan-March they were not selling many JLUs... due to fucktory bottle necks... I think it'll outsell them by year end.

Curious to see how the rest of the year goes once JK's are 100% gone.

[max225]

Wrangler sold 110k units YTD. vs 80k LY, which was annualized at 200k sales. At that rate they'll be at 300k+ Units for the year. nearly the same amount as the corolla which sold 136k, however Jan-March they were not selling many JLUs... due to fucktory bottle necks... I think it'll outsell them by year end.

Curious to see how the rest of the year goes once JK's are 100% gone.

too, but the rest of the year will get the 2 doors, tons of ppl waiting on those. I think they JUST started selling them. I think Toledo south will be retooled by then.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Curious to see how the rest of the year goes once JK's are 100% gone.

too, but the rest of the year will get the 2 doors, tons of ppl waiting on those. I think they JUST started selling them. I think Toledo south will be retooled by then.

Yep. And then the pickup drops next year. The Wrangler will be EVERYWHERE.

The question though, what will happen to residuals? AND can Jeep keep the sales pace up? I'm really amazed by the price of these things.

[max225]

too, but the rest of the year will get the 2 doors, tons of ppl waiting on those. I think they JUST started selling them. I think Toledo south will be retooled by then.

Yep. And then the pickup drops next year. The Wrangler will be EVERYWHERE.

The question though, what will happen to residuals? AND can Jeep keep the sales pace up? I'm really amazed by the price of these things.

Well loaded tacos are flying off the shelves, loaded 4 runners are in the 40s also, no issues moving record units.
Fraud F150 platinums Doge laramies etc over 60k... also record selling.

Ppl just have money today it seems. about the pricing.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yep. And then the pickup drops next year. The Wrangler will be EVERYWHERE.

The question though, what will happen to residuals? AND can Jeep keep the sales pace up? I'm really amazed by the price of these things.

Well loaded tacos are flying off the shelves, loaded 4 runners are in the 40s also, no issues moving record units.
Fraud F150 platinums Doge laramies etc over 60k... also record selling.

Ppl just have money today it seems. about the pricing.

I think it's more about debt tolerance than money. Scary stuff, IMO.

[max225]

Well loaded tacos are flying off the shelves, loaded 4 runners are in the 40s also, no issues moving record units.
Fraud F150 platinums Doge laramies etc over 60k... also record selling.

Ppl just have money today it seems. about the pricing.

I think it's more about debt tolerance than money. Scary stuff, IMO.

Are car loans per capita going up more so than income levels ? if i saw an article. yes car loan $ are at highest levels, but those don't control for inflation/population etc.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I think it's more about debt tolerance than money. Scary stuff, IMO.

Are car loans per capita going up more so than income levels ? if i saw an article. yes car loan $ are at highest levels, but those don't control for inflation/population etc.

Good point/question.

[Davestr]

Well loaded tacos are flying off the shelves, loaded 4 runners are in the 40s also, no issues moving record units.
Fraud F150 platinums Doge laramies etc over 60k... also record selling.

Ppl just have money today it seems. about the pricing.

I think it's more about debt tolerance than money. Scary stuff, IMO.

This + your neighbor Johnny Joe or Jimmy Sue has one, so why not you and your fam. The impact of seeing others is significant. Its scary and they wonder why they cant pay for other needed items. Plus the large truck is empty most of the time not at all used as designed. They probably only needed the Camry but yo.....I look great mall crawlin lol

[max225]

I think it's more about debt tolerance than money. Scary stuff, IMO.

84 months, bro!

Do you even debt?!

Oems subsidize those epic stretch pays. Nothing wrong with getting .9%-2.9% apr for 72/84 months. That’s below inflation, you’d be a fool not to get the free money loan

[ChrisoftheNorth]

84 months, bro!

Do you even debt?!

Oems subsidize those epic stretch pays. Nothing wrong with getting .9%-2.9% apr for 72/84 months. That’s below inflation, you’d be a fool not to get the free money loan

Assuming someone can commit to a vehicle that long. 4 years at minimum underwater.

[max225]

Oems subsidize those epic stretch pays. Nothing wrong with getting .9%-2.9% apr for 72/84 months. That’s below inflation, you’d be a fool not to get the free money loan

Assuming someone can commit to a vehicle that long. 4 years at minimum underwater.

Well you may not have a choice... but if you made the right move, why sell ? 6-7 year old vehicles should still be fine in terms of repair. You just may not get a new vehicle but your “old” car should still not be a money drain

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Assuming someone can commit to a vehicle that long. 4 years at minimum underwater.

Well you may not have a choice... but if you made the right move, why sell ? 6-7 year old vehicles should still be fine in terms of repair. You just may not get a new vehicle but your “old” car should still not be a money drain

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

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I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Hell, my wants to change vehicles due 100% to a fucking HEATED STEERING WHEEL

[Apex]

Well you may not have a choice... but if you made the right move, why sell ? 6-7 year old vehicles should still be fine in terms of repair. You just may not get a new vehicle but your “old” car should still not be a money drain

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=637

I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

I mean, I rolled a decent bit of negative equity into the but lease, so that's gone in 4 years. Then I can buy it out (most likely because I it) or give it back.

[max225]

Well you may not have a choice... but if you made the right move, why sell ? 6-7 year old vehicles should still be fine in terms of repair. You just may not get a new vehicle but your “old” car should still not be a money drain

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=637

I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

Well he is next level most folks wouldn't do such a thing... this forum is relatively decent with money. Also if he can afford $980 a month + insurance + registration/fuel etc. He has quite a bit of disposable income. ~1500 a month on just he explorer

[max225]

Hell, my wants to change vehicles due 100% to a fucking HEATED STEERING WHEEL

Once again. If you can afford to make the choice Doesn't matter the reason. It makes no sense to drive anything outside of a 10 year old corolla. Everything else is a WANT not a need.
$1000 a month to you is like $10,000 a month to or the likes, so their "choices" will never make sense to those in different income brackets.

or the likes make no sense, but I think they are outliers more so than the norm.

[Desertbreh]

Well you may not have a choice... but if you made the right move, why sell ? 6-7 year old vehicles should still be fine in terms of repair. You just may not get a new vehicle but your “old” car should still not be a money drain

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=637

I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

Is it? At some point the party has to end. This guy can't have a $1400 car payment.

[max225]

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=637

I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

Is it? At some point the party has to end. This guy can't have a $1400 car payment.

Apparently, he can and he does ?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

He lives in a $500 apartment and claims to make "six figures".

[ChrisoftheNorth]

People's attention spans are way shorter than vehicle life.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=637

I forgot to post on here...the dude that I know who (was) paying $700/mo for a 4-banger Camaro? Traded it in for a fully-loaded Ford Explorer last month.


And get this...the payment, rolling 3 car's worth of negative equity now...$980 for 72 mos.



He's paying $70k for a damned Ford Exploder. But the roads are so bad, and the tech in the Explorer is "so great" plus the "performance" from turbros, it is "totally worth it".

This is the normal buying public folks.

I mean, I rolled a decent bit of negative equity into the but lease, so that's gone in 4 years. Then I can buy it out (most likely because I it) or give it back.

Lease is different. That's a way to nuke negative equity if you can swing the payment.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Hell, my wants to change vehicles due 100% to a fucking HEATED STEERING WHEEL

Once again. If you can afford to make the choice Doesn't matter the reason. It makes no sense to drive anything outside of a 10 year old corolla. Everything else is a WANT not a need.
$1000 a month to you is like $10,000 a month to or the likes, so their "choices" will never make sense to those in different income brackets.

or the likes make no sense, but I think they are outliers more so than the norm.

I suppose.

"Can afford" and "want to afford" are two different things in my case.

We like to blow money on a lot of different things. Spending it on two seems

Still want a JL,

[max225]

Once again. If you can afford to make the choice Doesn't matter the reason. It makes no sense to drive anything outside of a 10 year old corolla. Everything else is a WANT not a need.
$1000 a month to you is like $10,000 a month to or the likes, so their "choices" will never make sense to those in different income brackets.

or the likes make no sense, but I think they are outliers more so than the norm.

I suppose.

"Can afford" and "want to afford" are two different things in my case.

We like to blow money on a lot of different things. Spending it on two seems

Still want a JL,

I think most of us want a JL (dave excluded)

$1500 on an explorer is nuts .... that like $2400 pre tax ~30k a year on vehicle ... lyfe