3.6 should be fine power wise for towing, as long as the trans/trans programming is up to the task as well.
Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Yea...I'm optimistic on this front. The trans programming the JL is super eager to downshift...it's really a lot of fun. Complete opposite of the in the Colorado.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
- 3rdgenfan
- Meat Patty 2nd Class
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:41 pm
- Drives: Frontier, Rabbit TDI, G8 GXP
- Location: The First State
I believe I'm trying to wash my hands of anything GM made within the last 5 years (especially new), but it's a good package overall. I was leaning towards Taco/Tundra TRD models but want to see what's going on.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:09 amJLU is capped at 3500 lbs, same as the JKU. It's a tail wagging the dog situation - short wheelbase and soft springs do not a good tow vehicle make.
GM offering to play with a Lemon case on the table, or are you trying to wash your hands of the General?
I have a lemon law case going, but was told not to bring it up to the dealership.
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Oh, you hired an external laywer to handle?3rdgenfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 amI believe I'm trying to wash my hands of anything GM made within the last 5 years (especially new), but it's a good package overall. I was leaning towards Taco/Tundra TRD models but want to see what's going on.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:09 am
JLU is capped at 3500 lbs, same as the JKU. It's a tail wagging the dog situation - short wheelbase and soft springs do not a good tow vehicle make.
GM offering to play with a Lemon case on the table, or are you trying to wash your hands of the General?
I have a lemon law case going, but was told not to bring it up to the dealership.
Usually, GM wants to handle a case before it reaches a Lemon Law suit. That gets costly, and it's easier to solve before. If they don't know you're bringing the suit, they can't work to fix it (buy back) first.
That said, buy-backs usually involve getting a new GM vehicle. If you're looking to wash your hands of GM, then the lawyer route is the way to go.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
- 3rdgenfan
- Meat Patty 2nd Class
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:41 pm
- Drives: Frontier, Rabbit TDI, G8 GXP
- Location: The First State
I had tried to bring it up with GM Customer Care prior to going the external route, but was told if it can't be replicated with the tech then there is no problem with the vehicle.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:24 amOh, you hired an external laywer to handle?3rdgenfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 am
I believe I'm trying to wash my hands of anything GM made within the last 5 years (especially new), but it's a good package overall. I was leaning towards Taco/Tundra TRD models but want to see what's going on.
I have a lemon law case going, but was told not to bring it up to the dealership.
Usually, GM wants to handle a case before it reaches a Lemon Law suit. That gets costly, and it's easier to solve before. If they don't know you're bringing the suit, they can't work to fix it (buy back) first.
That said, buy-backs usually involve getting a new GM vehicle. If you're looking to wash your hands of GM, then the lawyer route is the way to go.
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Wouldn't the lawyer say the same thing? Need documentation and evidence for a lawsuit, no?3rdgenfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:41 amI had tried to bring it up with GM Customer Care prior to going the external route, but was told if it can't be replicated with the tech then there is no problem with the vehicle.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:24 am
Oh, you hired an external laywer to handle?
Usually, GM wants to handle a case before it reaches a Lemon Law suit. That gets costly, and it's easier to solve before. If they don't know you're bringing the suit, they can't work to fix it (buy back) first.
That said, buy-backs usually involve getting a new GM vehicle. If you're looking to wash your hands of GM, then the lawyer route is the way to go.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
- Huckleberry
- Senior Chief Patty Officer
- Posts: 2415
- Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:10 am
- Drives: 2004 GTO
- Location: Hi. I'm in Delaware.
- 3rdgenfan
- Meat Patty 2nd Class
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:41 pm
- Drives: Frontier, Rabbit TDI, G8 GXP
- Location: The First State
Yeah sorry, I worded that incorrectly. That was their stance when I contacted GM, since then I have brought the truck to the dealer with the screen flashing, sending videos of every single occurrence, and the GM tech assistance dept just keeps having them re-run the same programming 'fix' that was released in September. I brought it to the dealership on Friday as I had not heard from them in a while after sending some emails and they scheduled another appointment for Wednesday morning...this is when she said they were told there is no fix if the programming TSB did not resolve it.
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Has the dealer replaced the cluster?3rdgenfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:02 pmYeah sorry, I worded that incorrectly. That was their stance when I contacted GM, since then I have brought the truck to the dealer with the screen flashing, sending videos of every single occurrence, and the GM tech assistance dept just keeps having them re-run the same programming 'fix' that was released in September. I brought it to the dealership on Friday as I had not heard from them in a while after sending some emails and they scheduled another appointment for Wednesday morning...this is when she said they were told there is no fix if the programming TSB did not resolve it.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Ray did this. I thought it was stupid then and still think its stupid now. You are literally adding a SLIGHTLY larger rotor with the same sized pad. The the pad surface area doesn't increase, you are simply moving the clamping force further out in diameter which can theoretically increase braking torque.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 amSi, kinda. Not necessarily larger pads. I'd imagine someone makes a larger pad, but I just got new OE-sized pads.
Regardless, I'm impressed with the result. Better pedal feel and bite, and much better stopping power.
I also drove it compared to my stock JKU. I found zero improved braking performance. I can't see why this is a thing people spend money on.
Edit: If you like it, its your car. Are you tied to only buying rotors from that seller or is there an off the shelf supplier>?
- 3rdgenfan
- Meat Patty 2nd Class
- Posts: 267
- Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:41 pm
- Drives: Frontier, Rabbit TDI, G8 GXP
- Location: The First State
Nope, they have only focused on the software/firmware side of things as I suppose that is the direction they were told to go per GM.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:07 pmHas the dealer replaced the cluster?3rdgenfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:02 pm
Yeah sorry, I worded that incorrectly. That was their stance when I contacted GM, since then I have brought the truck to the dealer with the screen flashing, sending videos of every single occurrence, and the GM tech assistance dept just keeps having them re-run the same programming 'fix' that was released in September. I brought it to the dealership on Friday as I had not heard from them in a while after sending some emails and they scheduled another appointment for Wednesday morning...this is when she said they were told there is no fix if the programming TSB did not resolve it.
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Very weird. So if software doesn't work, they'll tell you to pound sand?
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
- ChrisoftheNorth
- Moderator
- Posts: 47112
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
- Drives: 4R
Wow. Did you ever try to escalate directly with GM?
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
- Johnny_P
- Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
- Posts: 40489
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 am
- Drives: Blue short bus
- Location: Philly
maths are hard for some people. The relationship is linear. Increase distance pads are from the hub by 10%, all else equal, braking force increases by 10%.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:46 pmIt's not placebo, it does work. Same idea is utilized on mountain bikes - big rotors with the same pad/caliper. Plus, more surface area to help keep from overheating the brakes is always a good thing.dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:14 pm
Ray did this. I thought it was stupid then and still think its stupid now. You are literally adding a SLIGHTLY larger rotor with the same sized pad. The the pad surface area doesn't increase, you are simply moving the clamping force further out in diameter which can theoretically increase braking torque.
I also drove it compared to my stock JKU. I found zero improved braking performance. I can't see why this is a thing people spend money on.
Edit: If you like it, its your car. Are you tied to only buying rotors from that seller or is there an off the shelf supplier>?
Granted, it's not as optimized as using a bigger pad + a bigger rotor, but moving the leverage point out does help. Braking is significantly improved.
not hard at all. said the same thing. I'm just reporting I didnt feel or notice any better braking on the upsize.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:46 pmmaths are hard for some people. The relationship is linear. Increase distance pads are from the hub by 10%, all else equal, braking force increases by 10%.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:46 pm
It's not placebo, it does work. Same idea is utilized on mountain bikes - big rotors with the same pad/caliper. Plus, more surface area to help keep from overheating the brakes is always a good thing.
Granted, it's not as optimized as using a bigger pad + a bigger rotor, but moving the leverage point out does help. Braking is significantly improved.
Also, increased cooling I think it's a mod for tree hunnit.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:46 pmmaths are hard for some people. The relationship is linear. Increase distance pads are from the hub by 10%, all else equal, braking force increases by 10%.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:46 pm
It's not placebo, it does work. Same idea is utilized on mountain bikes - big rotors with the same pad/caliper. Plus, more surface area to help keep from overheating the brakes is always a good thing.
Granted, it's not as optimized as using a bigger pad + a bigger rotor, but moving the leverage point out does help. Braking is significantly improved.
couldnt answer that part of it. I am still on it but if you can tell a diff and like it then it was worth it.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pmDid he do new pads at the same time? Or just slap old pads on fresh rotorz?
I was a little but the checks out so far. Braking is vastly improved. I have to use way less pedal pressure to bring the to a stahp now.
what about replacing rotors in future? is there and off shelf item you can easily get that fits?
He would have to keep the for more than 6 months for that to be an issuedubshow wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:23 pmcouldnt answer that part of it. I am still on it but if you can tell a diff and like it then it was worth it.[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pm
Did he do new pads at the same time? Or just slap old pads on fresh rotorz?
I was a little but the checks out so far. Braking is vastly improved. I have to use way less pedal pressure to bring the to a stahp now.
what about replacing rotors in future? is there and off shelf item you can easily get that fits?
- max225
- Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
- Posts: 42434
- Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
- Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon
They are not that different in terms of “simplicity”[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:21 pm
FWIW Rotors are tied to the BRK manufacturer at $115/ea. I'm looking to keep the to 60k/2 more years. Then it's someone else's problem.
"But I ordered the rotors that matched the VIN!"
"But why don't they fit?"
Truly, I'd love a JL, but I refuse to pay JL prices (and quite honestly, I like the simplicity of the JK). The JL introduces things like pushbutton start, high-voltage mild-hybrid systems, auto-stop, etc.