5 not a penny more or less is what it is worth at most... I’d love to see that with the 5.7, even with the 5 speed at it’s a great comboDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:44 am https://www.copart.com/lot/23367749
Oh man...small engine fire, this is perfect for a Hemi swap. AND it's a clear title.
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It’s not overblown as the most desirable xjs were made 97-01 and tjs were made from 97-06. That essentially affects 50% of either vehicle.Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:57 amExactly. Who's to say the Pentastar vehicles won't have similar or worse problems in 20 years?Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:34 am
Old stuff sucks. I share the opinion that the Pentastar is the better motor for 99% of the buying public. Every single person I know that owns/owned a 4.0L inline 6 Jeep engine had the head crack, and motor sucking down oil like Riley Reid sucking down Mandingo. Plus.... these vehicles are just flat out fucking old at this point, and come with old car nickel and dime bullshit problems.
The head cracking thing is so overblown. It's limited to 00-03 vehicles...a fraction of the overall 4.0 population. And the damned thing is a lego...easy to swap the head for cheap.
But old cars gonna old. There's no way around that. It's more than just the engine's fault.
They have been ragged to death by their 5th owners unfortunately.
That shit history as well as C4C is part of those vehicles now.
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Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:34 amOld stuff sucks. I share the opinion that the Pentastar is the better motor for 99% of the buying public. Every single person I know that owns/owned a 4.0L inline 6 Jeep engine had the head crack, and motor sucking down oil like Riley Reid sucking down Mandingo. Plus.... these vehicles are just flat out fucking old at this point, and come with old car nickel and dime bullshit problems.Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:40 am
Even the newest 4.0s are really old. Pentastar came out 5 years after the 4.0 stopped production. TBH, nobody knows how durable a Pentastar is yet. We'll see in 20 years.
How many times has a 4.0 stranded someone? Sure things need to be fixed on them, but the times they leave you stranded on the side of the road is minimal.
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Probably. Would be a ton of fun.max225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:12 am5 not a penny more or less is what it is worth at most... I’d love to see that with the 5.7, even with the 5 speed at it’s a great comboDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:44 am https://www.copart.com/lot/23367749
Oh man...small engine fire, this is perfect for a Hemi swap. AND it's a clear title.
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I'd have to do the AEV conversion kit. It's about as OEM as can be...they have former Chrysler engineers on staff working on it. That's pricey at like $6k, but worth it IMO.
But if you pulled a 5.7 from a Ram in the junk yard without the trans, it's probably $1k. Plus $4-5k in odds and ends it'd be probably be $10-12k all-in.
If you picked the Jeep up for $5k, that's $15-17k for a Hemi JK with the better interior. That thing would be a TON of fun for the price. Would never get that money back out, but I'd build it for fun and enjoyment. Would be a great toy.
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That 6k gets you motor mounts the harnesses and someDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:36 amI'd have to do the AEV conversion kit. It's about as OEM as can be...they have former Chrysler engineers on staff working on it. That's pricey at like $6k, but worth it IMO.
But if you pulled a 5.7 from a Ram in the junk yard without the trans, it's probably $1k. Plus $4-5k in odds and ends it'd be probably be $10-12k all-in.
If you picked the Jeep up for $5k, that's $15-17k for a Hemi JK with the better interior. That thing would be a TON of fun for the price. Would never get that money back out, but I'd build it for fun and enjoyment. Would be a great toy.
Minor misc stuff. I thought it included the engine but it doesn’t ... fking crazy markup
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Yea...but OEM harnesses designed to plug and play make the swap WAY easier and less prone to gremlins. It's worth the money to not spend so much time trouble shootingmax225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:46 amThat 6k gets you motor mounts the harnesses and someDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:36 am
I'd have to do the AEV conversion kit. It's about as OEM as can be...they have former Chrysler engineers on staff working on it. That's pricey at like $6k, but worth it IMO.
But if you pulled a 5.7 from a Ram in the junk yard without the trans, it's probably $1k. Plus $4-5k in odds and ends it'd be probably be $10-12k all-in.
If you picked the Jeep up for $5k, that's $15-17k for a Hemi JK with the better interior. That thing would be a TON of fun for the price. Would never get that money back out, but I'd build it for fun and enjoyment. Would be a great toy.
Minor misc stuff. I thought it included the engine but it doesn’t ... fking crazy markup
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Absolutely the AEV kit is the way to go, spendy but like you said they have former Chrysler engineers on staff working on this stuff. Would make for one hell of a funDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:36 amI'd have to do the AEV conversion kit. It's about as OEM as can be...they have former Chrysler engineers on staff working on it. That's pricey at like $6k, but worth it IMO.
But if you pulled a 5.7 from a Ram in the junk yard without the trans, it's probably $1k. Plus $4-5k in odds and ends it'd be probably be $10-12k all-in.
If you picked the Jeep up for $5k, that's $15-17k for a Hemi JK with the better interior. That thing would be a TON of fun for the price. Would never get that money back out, but I'd build it for fun and enjoyment. Would be a great toy.
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Sort of yes.... but I mean ... that’s not an insignificant amount of money. You can get an entire crate engine from the oems for that much.... ecu and all
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No way. A crate 5.7 with computer is at least $10k. Then you still have to figure out all the wiring to interface it with the Jeep.
The AEV kit does all of that plug and play. No figuring out what wire controls what and where. That's a huge time savings.
Engine swapping a vehicle is 100% lighting money on fire. Just what it is.
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https://www.moparproshop.com/inc/sdetail/16460/14314Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:57 amNo way. A crate 5.7 with computer is at least $10k. Then you still have to figure out all the wiring to interface it with the Jeep.
The AEV kit does all of that plug and play. No figuring out what wire controls what and where. That's a huge time savings.
Engine swapping a vehicle is 100% lighting money on fire. Just what it is.
$5600 for the motor, anyways granted all of this is just literally setting shit on fire.
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This doesn't include ECU or wiring harness that I can tell. EASILY $2k+ worth of parts.max225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:14 amhttps://www.moparproshop.com/inc/sdetail/16460/14314Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:57 am
No way. A crate 5.7 with computer is at least $10k. Then you still have to figure out all the wiring to interface it with the Jeep.
The AEV kit does all of that plug and play. No figuring out what wire controls what and where. That's a huge time savings.
Engine swapping a vehicle is 100% lighting money on fire. Just what it is.
$5600 for the motor, anyways granted all of this is just literally setting shit on fire.
I bet when all is said and done, but are about equal. The difference is the time spent on the crate engine vs the AEV plug and play.
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Wait... hol up... I think you're kind of missing my point I don't have an issue with AEV... but $6k doesn't get you a motor period, which is the most expensive part of the I was just stating that for the 6k you pay with AEV you only get a few things here and there, and still have to source a motor. IF the conversion parts cost 6k it would be great. But it is 6k for install kit + motor which is another 6k unless i am getting itDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:18 amThis doesn't include ECU or wiring harness that I can tell. EASILY $2k+ worth of parts.max225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:14 am
https://www.moparproshop.com/inc/sdetail/16460/14314
$5600 for the motor, anyways granted all of this is just literally setting shit on fire.
I bet when all is said and done, but are about equal. The difference is the time spent on the crate engine vs the AEV plug and play.
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I wouldn't buy the AEV kit AND a brand new motor. That'smax225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:22 amWait... hol up... I think you're kind of missing my point I don't have an issue with AEV... but $6k doesn't get you a motor period, which is the most expensive part of the I was just stating that for the 6k you pay with AEV you only get a few things here and there, and still have to source a motor. IF the conversion parts cost 6k it would be great. But it is 6k for install kit + motor which is another 6k unless i am getting it
Should be able to buy a reasonable miles 5.7 out of a wrecked Ram for $1k without the trans. They've pounded out a ton of those engines.
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Right I hear ya. 1k Seems low end, but 4k should get you a nice low mile engine+trans. I don't think the 6 speed bolts up to the 5.7, and given that the pre 2012 jeeps had 4 speeds that isn't an option either. So you need both.Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:27 amI wouldn't buy the AEV kit AND a brand new motor. That'smax225 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:22 am
Wait... hol up... I think you're kind of missing my point I don't have an issue with AEV... but $6k doesn't get you a motor period, which is the most expensive part of the I was just stating that for the 6k you pay with AEV you only get a few things here and there, and still have to source a motor. IF the conversion parts cost 6k it would be great. But it is 6k for install kit + motor which is another 6k unless i am getting it
Should be able to buy a reasonable miles 5.7 out of a wrecked Ram for $1k without the trans. They've pounded out a ton of those engines.
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What trans is in the Challenger? I bet it's the same.
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Even the 5.7 Challenger uses the TR6060?
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