The Grand Tour: All systems are go!

[ChrisoftheNorth]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

SF has only had “tech” jobs for the last 5-8 years. I’m talking pay area which is a more fair comparison. Sf is a tiny city area wise. You can walk across it in 1.5 hrs

This is just the city limits of Detroit, the metro area is huge outside of it.

[MexicanYarisTK]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

SF has only had “tech” jobs for the last 5-8 years. I’m talking pay area which is a more fair comparison. Sf is a tiny city area wise. You can walk across it in 1.5 hrs

DC is also a pretty tiny city as well as area distance is concerned. to go across, atleast 6 miles to go across.

[max225]

SF has only had “tech” jobs for the last 5-8 years. I’m talking pay area which is a more fair comparison. Sf is a tiny city area wise. You can walk across it in 1.5 hrs

This is just the city limits of Detroit, the metro area is huge outside of it.

It’s kind of like LA here, la proper is small, but la metro
Is 20 million people

[ChrisoftheNorth]

SF has only had “tech” jobs for the last 5-8 years. I’m talking pay area which is a more fair comparison. Sf is a tiny city area wise. You can walk across it in 1.5 hrs

DC is also a pretty tiny city as well as area distance is concerned. to go across, atleast 6 miles to go across.

Most cities are.

And that's why Detroit will never fully recover. It's too massive. If you're going to live that far from downtown, better off in a suburb where taxes are less, better city services, and no urban decay.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

This is just the city limits of Detroit, the metro area is huge outside of it.

It’s kind of like LA here, la proper is small, but la metro
Is 20 million people

LA is ridiculous. It's just non stop urban sprawl.

[max225]

It’s kind of like LA here, la proper is small, but la metro
Is 20 million people

LA is ridiculous. It's just non stop urban sprawl.

is exactly my point. Not like google, fb, ntflx and apple are HQed in sf.

[coogles]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Pretty crazy. And now the population in Detroit's city limits is at or under 700k. No wonder Detroit is broke...there's no way that few people, 90% of whom are impoverished, can maintain 140 square miles of infrastructure and services.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Pretty crazy. And now the population in Detroit's city limits is at or under 700k. No wonder Detroit is broke...there's no way that few people, 90% of whom are impoverished, can maintain 140 square miles of infrastructure and services.

EXACTLY

[max225]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Pretty crazy. And now the population in Detroit's city limits is at or under 700k. No wonder Detroit is broke...there's no way that few people, 90% of whom are impoverished, can maintain 140 square miles of infrastructure and services.

Sf can’t do it with the most epic taxes in the nation. Crooks are gonna crook, polititians ...

[troyguitar]

Pretty crazy. And now the population in Detroit's city limits is at or under 700k. No wonder Detroit is broke...there's no way that few people, 90% of whom are impoverished, can maintain 140 square miles of infrastructure and services.

Sf can’t do it with the most epic taxes in the nation. Crooks are gonna crook, polititians ...

Epic taxes? You pay 1 point fucking 1 percent property tax on an assessed value that is nowhere near the real market value. If by most epic you mean lower than fucking hell, then yeah...

[max225]

Sf can’t do it with the most epic taxes in the nation. Crooks are gonna crook, polititians ...

Epic taxes? You pay 1 point fucking 1 percent property tax on an assessed value that is nowhere near the real market value. If by most epic you mean lower than fucking hell, then yeah...

That’s not the sole revenue. SF adds 3% to all food sold in the city, on top of 10% sales tax, epic hotel taxes, every company making over 100m is paying 1% of their income into the city, health care taxes for operating within the city limits etc.

It is insane

[wap]

If it was filled with useless tech jobs it would not have enough space like us here. We’re completely out of space...

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Whoa.

Just the images of those abandoned, crumbling factories is Maybe the land should be sold for a song to an agribusiness company like ADM or Del Monte. Del Monte has a yuuge factory in a small town in central Illinois and it's surrounded by hundreds if not thousands of acres of farmland. They grow corn, beans, carrots, etc and can them in the factory. 2 or 3 plants like that aught to use up a fair amount of real estate on the outskirts of Mahtroit and generate decent tax revenue.

I'm sure my idea is completely 100% dumb and

[ChrisoftheNorth]

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Whoa.

Just the images of those abandoned, crumbling factories is Maybe the land should be sold for a song to an agribusiness company like ADM or Del Monte. Del Monte has a yuuge factory in a small town in central Illinois and it's surrounded by hundreds if not thousands of acres of farmland. They grow corn, beans, carrots, etc and can them in the factory. 2 or 3 plants like that aught to use up a fair amount of real estate on the outskirts of Mahtroit and generate decent tax revenue.

I'm sure my idea is completely 100% dumb and

The problem is that when those factories were built, there was ZFG about the environment. As a result, they're INSANELY expensive to clean up and tear down. There's just no reason for a company to do that when they can go to central IL, or even central MI and get what they need for next to nothing.

A dude bought the Packard plant a while ago (much of the GT stuff was shot there because he rents it out to movie/tv production companies for income), and he's promising to turn it into lofts, retail, restaurants, etc, etc. The cost of getting it there is ~$30M. Worse is that the Packard plant is in a terrible area, so even if it does get fixed up, nobody's going to want to pay prices to live there.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 023252002/

We'll see if he makes it. He'll be the first to turn an abandoned plant into something.

[max225]

30 million sounds super cheap to make a sodasopa in dt. Seems like a 0 may be missing

[ChrisoftheNorth]

30 million sounds super cheap to make a sodasopa in dt. Seems like a 0 may be missing

I believe $30M is just the first phase of clean-up and getting some part open... Brewery or something .

I thought I heard that the total cost is estimated to be $300M or something over 15 years of development.

[max225]

30 million sounds super cheap to make a sodasopa in dt. Seems like a 0 may be missing

I believe $30M is just the first phase of clean-up and getting some part open... Brewery or something .

I thought I heard that the total cost is estimated to be $300M or something over 15 years of development.

Spot on then yup

[wap]

Whoa.

Just the images of those abandoned, crumbling factories is Maybe the land should be sold for a song to an agribusiness company like ADM or Del Monte. Del Monte has a yuuge factory in a small town in central Illinois and it's surrounded by hundreds if not thousands of acres of farmland. They grow corn, beans, carrots, etc and can them in the factory. 2 or 3 plants like that aught to use up a fair amount of real estate on the outskirts of Mahtroit and generate decent tax revenue.

I'm sure my idea is completely 100% dumb and

The problem is that when those factories were built, there was ZFG about the environment. As a result, they're INSANELY expensive to clean up and tear down. There's just no reason for a company to do that when they can go to central IL, or even central MI and get what they need for next to nothing.

A dude bought the Packard plant a while ago (much of the GT stuff was shot there because he rents it out to movie/tv production companies for income), and he's promising to turn it into lofts, retail, restaurants, etc, etc. The cost of getting it there is ~$30M. Worse is that the Packard plant is in a terrible area, so even if it does get fixed up, nobody's going to want to pay prices to live there.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 023252002/

We'll see if he makes it. He'll be the first to turn an abandoned plant into something.

Yeah. It was the first industry I thought of that would use a large amount of land.
I knew I was

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The problem is that when those factories were built, there was ZFG about the environment. As a result, they're INSANELY expensive to clean up and tear down. There's just no reason for a company to do that when they can go to central IL, or even central MI and get what they need for next to nothing.

A dude bought the Packard plant a while ago (much of the GT stuff was shot there because he rents it out to movie/tv production companies for income), and he's promising to turn it into lofts, retail, restaurants, etc, etc. The cost of getting it there is ~$30M. Worse is that the Packard plant is in a terrible area, so even if it does get fixed up, nobody's going to want to pay prices to live there.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 023252002/

We'll see if he makes it. He'll be the first to turn an abandoned plant into something.

Yeah. It was the first industry I thought of that would use a large amount of land.
I knew I was

IN THEORY it makes perfect sense. If the buildings weren't a toxic wasteland, it seems like a great opportunity to repurpose the buildings for indoor year-round agriculture. They do that in Canada with greenhouses/tents now, would make perfect sense.

[Melon]

Yep. You get one life on this rock, don't spend it pointing out other's hardships, making fun of that, and rubbing it in their face by landing a helicopter and leaving.

Screw Americans, they're British, that's what they do.

[Melon]

Look at Houston, it's fucking bigger than LA by land.

[Desertbreh]

I mean, works for a damn petroleum company.

Don't throw molotovs off a crude storage tank breh.

During the last 5 years I've developed a major internal moral conflict with working at the refinery. I'm the guy that walks to the store with 4 of my own canvas bags so I'm not using gas or generating needless landfill waste. We compost and recycle everything we can. We stopped getting Blue Apron deliveries because of how much waste each box came with. I absolutely hate getting cheap shit gifts that I know will end up in a landfill in 20 minutes. And I'm starting to really despise how much fuel/emissions my car generates needlessly while Lisa's car can putt around on electrons for 15 minutes circling looking for parking.

I dunno. But I'm not parading a multi million dollar camera crew around pure poverty and hard living where people die of starvation and disease on the regular, and setting up a table to sell dead diesel smoke and mud caked fish as a "humanitarian aid" attempt for the lolz of millions of people everywhere, landing a helicopter and saying it's hopeless, and taking off.

We did Hello Fresh for a while until I got tired of essentially the same concepts, what I considered to be suspect meat quality.....and the packaging. An epic carboard box thick enough to ship a case of wine, and all of those freezer bags, styrofoam, etc. OBSCENE amount of waste because we're too lazy to meal plan? Why don't I just remove all the cats from my vehicles and pour used motor oil and coolant down the sewer drains while I am at it?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

We used to recycle until we realized not having crotchfruit makes us among the cleanest lifelong households in America. Now everything goes in the trash and I drive around all day with my catless ZFG.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

It's also more expensive to charge the Volt at home than it is to put gas in it, so when I can't charge at my company that's committed to an all EV future with its 5 always occupied fast charging spots in a 10 story parking garage, I just run on dyno.

[Johnny_P]

If it was filled with useless tech jobs it would not have enough space like us here. We’re completely out of space...

SF, Boston, AND Manhattan can fit within Detroit city limits. All the techbro jobs in the world couldn't fill this place.

Wild. Land wise, Philly is similar. But we have double the people. And its still poor asf and crumbling.

[troyguitar]

It's also more expensive to charge the Volt at home than it is to put gas in it, so when I can't charge at my company that's committed to an all EV future with its 5 always occupied fast charging spots in a 10 story parking garage, I just run on dyno.

Someone recently showed the calculations for EV vs gas in NY and it definitely costs less to burn gas unless you drive a or - it kinda killed my thoughts of grabbing a cheapass Volt/Leaf/i3 for use around town to see that a Focus is cheaper.