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Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:59 am
MexicanYarisTK wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:32 am I presume shift is the new alternative to carvana and vroom
Yep, same business model.

It appears that they offer the highest prices, but also have a more stringent process like inspections and in person offers. Seems like a bait and switch to me, but Haley had a good experience so it must not be too bad.

Vroom was incredible for how hands off it was. I also had no choice because shift doesn't operate where I live. Vroom was still $1,500 more than Carvana.
Like in a :aintcare: fashion or covid purposes? Carmax did the similar process when I sold the GTI, but they asked me to open all the doors, start the engine, etc.
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MexicanYarisTK wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 am
Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:59 am
Yep, same business model.

It appears that they offer the highest prices, but also have a more stringent process like inspections and in person offers. Seems like a bait and switch to me, but Haley had a good experience so it must not be too bad.

Vroom was incredible for how hands off it was. I also had no choice because shift doesn't operate where I live. Vroom was still $1,500 more than Carvana.
Like in a :aintcare: fashion or covid purposes? Carmax did the similar process when I sold the GTI, but they asked me to open all the doors, start the engine, etc.
Vroom didn’t check the vehicle at all other than a photo of the odometer. I dropped it off at the shipper and got a check for the full amount 2 days later. That’s the least effort I’ve ever put into a vehicle sale period...including trading in.

Might have been because my vehicle was in high demand, but I loved how easy it was.
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Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:22 am
MexicanYarisTK wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 am

Like in a :aintcare: fashion or covid purposes? Carmax did the similar process when I sold the GTI, but they asked me to open all the doors, start the engine, etc.
Vroom didn’t check the vehicle at all other than a photo of the odometer. I dropped it off at the shipper and got a check for the full amount 2 days later. That’s the least effort I’ve ever put into a vehicle sale period...including trading in.

Might have been because my vehicle was in high demand, but I loved how easy it was.
It was practically brand new, so short of physical damage or abuse there shouldn't be anything to look at. We don't have these services cross border, but I'd off my car this was as long as the purchase price is in line with market value. I am surprised that they even make money being as generous as they are.

Gotta say, ever time I buy a car I'm on the hook for enough peripheral expenses to make me not want to :doit: Just the thought of taxes, fees, winter wheels, etc, plus a new car note make me want to avoid flipping cars unless absolutely necessary. 0/7 :plac: desire this year. :disappoint:
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Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:22 am
MexicanYarisTK wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 am

Like in a :aintcare: fashion or covid purposes? Carmax did the similar process when I sold the GTI, but they asked me to open all the doors, start the engine, etc.
Vroom didn’t check the vehicle at all other than a photo of the odometer. I dropped it off at the shipper and got a check for the full amount 2 days later. That’s the least effort I’ve ever put into a vehicle sale period...including trading in.

Might have been because my vehicle was in high demand, but I loved how easy it was.
Yeah, I would assume most here would do well with Shift since we pretty much all take above average care of our vehicles. I imagine it is :rage: inducing to the general public since most cars I see seem to be trashed, even relatively new ones.
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Tarspin wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:43 am
Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:22 am
Vroom didn’t check the vehicle at all other than a photo of the odometer. I dropped it off at the shipper and got a check for the full amount 2 days later. That’s the least effort I’ve ever put into a vehicle sale period...including trading in.

Might have been because my vehicle was in high demand, but I loved how easy it was.
It was practically brand new, so short of physical damage or abuse there shouldn't be anything to look at. We don't have these services cross border, but I'd off my car this was as long as the purchase price is in line with market value. I am surprised that they even make money being as generous as they are.

Gotta say, ever time I buy a car I'm on the hook for enough peripheral expenses to make me not want to :doit: Just the thought of taxes, fees, winter wheels, etc, plus a new car note make me want to avoid flipping cars unless absolutely necessary. 0/7 :plac: desire this year. :disappoint:
We have zero plans to replace the JL for 6 mos at least...maybe even longer. We owned it outright, and will buy the next vehicle cash, so the peripheral expenses are minimal. Sales tax and reg are the biggest costs, but the next vehicle will cost half of what the JL did, so even that isn't terrible.
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Detroit wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:22 am
Vroom didn’t check the vehicle at all other than a photo of the odometer. I dropped it off at the shipper and got a check for the full amount 2 days later. That’s the least effort I’ve ever put into a vehicle sale period...including trading in.

Might have been because my vehicle was in high demand, but I loved how easy it was.
Yeah, I would assume most here would do well with Shift since we pretty much all take above average care of our vehicles. I imagine it is :rage: inducing to the general public since most cars I see seem to be trashed, even relatively new ones.
Yeah the guy was telling me stories of people who got their prices knocked down for damage or only having one key fob ($200 deduction) but it sounds like if you’re honest about the cars condition online you’re going to get the full price.
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Shift is only available to select markets :doe:

Shift is an online marketplace for buying and selling used cars.[1] Founded in 2014, Shift is an American company based in San Francisco’s Mission District.[2] As of 2019, the company offers its services in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Diego, California as well as Portland, Oregon.[3][4]
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Irish wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:28 pm Shift is only available to select markets :doe:

Shift is an online marketplace for buying and selling used cars.[1] Founded in 2014, Shift is an American company based in San Francisco’s Mission District.[2] As of 2019, the company offers its services in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Diego, California as well as Portland, Oregon.[3][4]
Now in Seattle, and opening in Texas and Arizona as well
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haleyann wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:48 pm
Irish wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:28 pm Shift is only available to select markets :doe:

Shift is an online marketplace for buying and selling used cars.[1] Founded in 2014, Shift is an American company based in San Francisco’s Mission District.[2] As of 2019, the company offers its services in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Diego, California as well as Portland, Oregon.[3][4]
Now in Seattle, and opening in Texas and Arizona as well
So Best Coast only :sass:
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D Griff wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 3:34 pm
haleyann wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:48 pm

Now in Seattle, and opening in Texas and Arizona as well
So Best Coast only :sass:
Correct. :trollface:

I'm glad we have all these companies popping up that are funded by VCs so we can get near private party prices for selling without actually having to deal with people. Makes it so easy.
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Update with my GTI. Car has been at dealer since Saturday. They repaired the flat tire that I got as I arrived there. No formal diagnosis on the misfire. They already escalated it to Volkswagen Technical Assistance or whatever they call it. They said they should have a formal diagnostic tomorrow-ish. I’m gonna bitch them out for a loaner/rental reimbursement soon as I need a car.
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D Griff wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 3:34 pm
haleyann wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:48 pm

Now in Seattle, and opening in Texas and Arizona as well
So Best Coast only :sass:
Well yeah.

I don't have carvana here. Closest hub is southern california. So it makes up for it. Other than Shift seems to offer significantly better prices than the others.
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razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:40 pm Update with my GTI. Car has been at dealer since Saturday. They repaired the flat tire that I got as I arrived there. No formal diagnosis on the misfire. They already escalated it to Volkswagen Technical Assistance or whatever they call it. They said they should have a formal diagnostic tomorrow-ish. I’m gonna bitch them out for a loaner/rental reimbursement soon as I need a car.
They didn't already give you a loaner?? :wtf:
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wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:53 pm
razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 7:40 pm Update with my GTI. Car has been at dealer since Saturday. They repaired the flat tire that I got as I arrived there. No formal diagnosis on the misfire. They already escalated it to Volkswagen Technical Assistance or whatever they call it. They said they should have a formal diagnostic tomorrow-ish. I’m gonna bitch them out for a loaner/rental reimbursement soon as I need a car.
They didn't already give you a loaner?? :wtf:
Very small volume dealership. They have a few loaners but all were out with other people. Thankfully we have the wife's jetta that I can derp in, but I'd prefer to get a car for my troubles. I'll raise hell tomorrow afternoon if I hear nothing back and still have no loaner/rental
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razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:14 pm
wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 8:53 pm

They didn't already give you a loaner?? :wtf:
Very small volume dealership. They have a few loaners but all were out with other people. Thankfully we have the wife's jetta that I can derp in, but I'd prefer to get a car for my troubles. I'll raise hell tomorrow afternoon if I hear nothing back and still have no loaner/rental
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Good luck mang, and keep us posted.
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wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:19 pm
razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:14 pm

Very small volume dealership. They have a few loaners but all were out with other people. Thankfully we have the wife's jetta that I can derp in, but I'd prefer to get a car for my troubles. I'll raise hell tomorrow afternoon if I hear nothing back and still have no loaner/rental
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Good luck mang, and keep us posted.
I am fairly surprised they escalated to VTA already, usually that's what they'll do if I come back with the same issue after initial diagnostic. Gives me some hope that it could get fixed right the first time. :iono: I am thinking it's an injector. Not eliminating carbon buildup as a possibility, but I italian tune up the car at least once a week and I'm only at 54k. I have a friend with a 2016 who has an all highway commute and he drives it like a grandma and is at 95k and had no carbon issues. So :iono:

Warranty doesn't cover carbon cleaning, but I might work with the dealer or VWOA and see if they'd be willing to goodwill considering I am still under full factory warranty until 72k
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razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:35 pm
wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:19 pm

:word:
Good luck mang, and keep us posted.
I am fairly surprised they escalated to VTA already, usually that's what they'll do if I come back with the same issue after initial diagnostic. Gives me some hope that it could get fixed right the first time. :iono: I am thinking it's an injector. Not eliminating carbon buildup as a possibility, but I italian tune up the car at least once a week and I'm only at 54k. I have a friend with a 2016 who has an all highway commute and he drives it like a grandma and is at 95k and had no carbon issues. So :iono:

Warranty doesn't cover carbon cleaning, but I might work with the dealer or VWOA and see if they'd be willing to goodwill considering I am still under full factory warranty until 72k
I'm guessing not carbon as you don't have a lot of miles and it sounds like you drive it "properly" :hubba: . Plus, as has been mentioned, I think carbon buildup is less of an issue with the current gen of the EA888. FWIW, my Mk6 had 72k-ish miles on it when fucking Stuart murdered it and it didn't need a carbon cleaning.

I'm guessing a coil pack or injector.

Let us know what they tell you.
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wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:45 pm
razr390 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:35 pm

I am fairly surprised they escalated to VTA already, usually that's what they'll do if I come back with the same issue after initial diagnostic. Gives me some hope that it could get fixed right the first time. :iono: I am thinking it's an injector. Not eliminating carbon buildup as a possibility, but I italian tune up the car at least once a week and I'm only at 54k. I have a friend with a 2016 who has an all highway commute and he drives it like a grandma and is at 95k and had no carbon issues. So :iono:

Warranty doesn't cover carbon cleaning, but I might work with the dealer or VWOA and see if they'd be willing to goodwill considering I am still under full factory warranty until 72k
I'm guessing not carbon as you don't have a lot of miles and it sounds like you drive it "properly" :hubba: . Plus, as has been mentioned, I think carbon buildup is less of an issue with the current gen of the EA888. FWIW, my Mk6 had 72k-ish miles on it when fucking Stuart murdered it and it didn't need a carbon cleaning.

I'm guessing a coil pack or injector.

Let us know what they tell you.
I had coils replaced with plugs. Only other thing is injector.
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wap wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 10:45 pm
I'm guessing not carbon as you don't have a lot of miles and it sounds like you drive it "properly" :hubba: . Plus, as has been mentioned, I think carbon buildup is less of an issue with the current gen of the EA888. FWIW, my Mk6 had 72k-ish miles on it when fucking Stuart murdered it and it didn't need a carbon cleaning.

I'm guessing a coil pack or injector.

Let us know what they tell you.
I had coils replaced with plugs. Only other thing is injector.
Oh yea, right. I forgot. :derp:
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I got called about 10 minutes ago. VTA recommended they replace the injector (only one I believe, since the P0303 code is the persistent one affecting only Cylinder 3). Advisor apologized for the delay but told me dealing with VTA is a "meticulous" process that requires them to test, document, re-test, document and send all information in for their review/approval. They wanted to make sure my car maintains warranty if this issue persists, and VTA would only continue to honor it for this specific reason if everything was done by the book.

Thankfully they have a brand new injector on-hand at the parts department, so they will swap it and car should be ready by 6PM today!

No mention whatsoever of carbon buildup during this process. I assume VTA would have told the technician to use a borescope and take a look at all cylinder banks as part of their diagnostic process if they hadn't done it already.
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It needs an oil change bad. I averaged 80-90 my last 3k miles or so and the oil temp at those speeds is 240+
Dang, just cruising in 6th on the highway? :mindblown:
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 5:35 pm

It needs an oil change bad. I averaged 80-90 my last 3k miles or so and the oil temp at those speeds is 240+
What year is this bish? Do you have a car thread on here? In4deets.... my son has a A5
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razr390 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:16 am I got called about 10 minutes ago. VTA recommended they replace the injector (only one I believe, since the P0303 code is the persistent one affecting only Cylinder 3). Advisor apologized for the delay but told me dealing with VTA is a "meticulous" process that requires them to test, document, re-test, document and send all information in for their review/approval. They wanted to make sure my car maintains warranty if this issue persists, and VTA would only continue to honor it for this specific reason if everything was done by the book.

Thankfully they have a brand new injector on-hand at the parts department, so they will swap it and car should be ready by 6PM today!

No mention whatsoever of carbon buildup during this process. I assume VTA would have told the technician to use a borescope and take a look at all cylinder banks as part of their diagnostic process if they hadn't done it already.
I would assume nothing and ask about it. Maybe even call ahead and ask in case it managed to slip everyone's minds.
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razr390 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:16 am I got called about 10 minutes ago. VTA recommended they replace the injector (only one I believe, since the P0303 code is the persistent one affecting only Cylinder 3). Advisor apologized for the delay but told me dealing with VTA is a "meticulous" process that requires them to test, document, re-test, document and send all information in for their review/approval. They wanted to make sure my car maintains warranty if this issue persists, and VTA would only continue to honor it for this specific reason if everything was done by the book.

Thankfully they have a brand new injector on-hand at the parts department, so they will swap it and car should be ready by 6PM today!

No mention whatsoever of carbon buildup during this process. I assume VTA would have told the technician to use a borescope and take a look at all cylinder banks as part of their diagnostic process if they hadn't done it already.
I would assume nothing and ask about it. Maybe even call ahead and ask in case it managed to slip everyone's minds.
My game plan is to have it be brought up if/when it pops again and have them cover it under warranty as an inconvenience/goodwill considering they did not mention it to me the first time.

Carbon cleaning isn’t usually a warrantied item.
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razr390 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 12:51 pm
Huckleberry wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 12:25 pm

I would assume nothing and ask about it. Maybe even call ahead and ask in case it managed to slip everyone's minds.
My game plan is to have it be brought up if/when it pops again and have them cover it under warranty as an inconvenience/goodwill considering they did not mention it to me the first time.

Carbon cleaning isn’t usually a warrantied item.
:bruh: this is a VW economy car. You are making it seem like a. they owe you something and b. the car needs all kinds of special treatment. Just drive and enjoy and don't worry about trying to beat up the :dillerman: for free services, loaner cars, etc.

I have never been offered a loaner car in my life, we aren't talking about Porsches here.
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