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Detroit wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:29 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:11 pm

As did the JL. Most seem to still go aftermarket. lIfT KiTz
The moran OEM engineers can't do anything right.

Actually, it's the cost that drives people away from OEM. The OEM accessories development cost is way higher than some dudes in a pole barn in Idaho.
There are plenty of big aftermarket, like Rigid industries, Fox, AEV etc that actually get better than OEM. :oops:
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max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:26 pm
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The moran OEM engineers can't do anything right.

Actually, it's the cost that drives people away from OEM. The OEM accessories development cost is way higher than some dudes in a pole barn in Idaho.
There are plenty of big aftermarket, like Rigid industries, Fox, AEV etc that actually get better than OEM. :oops:
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Nothing :wrong: with OEM but it's always built/spec'd for a particular purpose, which isn't always the purpose the vehicle owner may be trying to achieve. My Bilstein shocks are sooo much better than factory GM for example, they were probably just too much money to add up for the stock car. I'm sure you can get some incredible shocks for off roaders at a high cost that blow OEM out of the water.
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Apex wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:29 pm https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qapT27KpQc

:lol: well played Jeep. Now remove the “concept” and slap this bish into production.
I might be in the minority here, but I think the JL has more than enough power with the V6. Any more and it would be pretty easy to get into trouble with the suspension and high center of gravity. It's already scary when you're merging on a perpendicular road and have to punch it... adding in tire roasting power that might grip long enough to make you flip on your side seems like a recipe for insane insurance rates.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:33 pm
Apex wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:29 pm https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qapT27KpQc

:lol: well played Jeep. Now remove the “concept” and slap this bish into production.
I might be in the minority here, but I think the JL has more than enough power with the V6. Any more and it would be pretty easy to get into trouble with the suspension and high center of gravity. It's already scary when you're merging on a perpendicular road and have to punch it... adding in tire roasting power that might grip long enough to make you flip on your side seems like a recipe for insane insurance rates.
Our little 4banger will spin the tires merging from a stop like that. I don’t disagree with what you said, it’s far from necessary to stick 450hp in a JL.
V8 noises would get a :like: from me.
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35" from the factory.... Oh man.... Fraud coming in HOT
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400 lb feet of torque also... No one cares about the power... but the torque is shit in the Wrangler..
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You can store the doors inside trunk... and body mounted mirrors... HOLY FOOOK
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max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:06 pm You can store the doors inside trunk... and body mounted mirrors... HOLY FOOOK
Sounds like they are coming in to the market to kick some ass.
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Tarspin wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:10 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:06 pm You can store the doors inside trunk... and body mounted mirrors... HOLY FOOOK
Sounds like they are coming in to the market to kick some ass.
wiped the floor with the wrangler so far... every short coming addressed. :impressive:
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max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:13 pm
Tarspin wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:10 pm

Sounds like they are coming in to the market to kick some ass.
wiped the floor with the wrangler so far... every short coming addressed. :impressive:
Ford interior and buttons, :doe:
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Looks interesting enough... the branding on the grille and the rear tailgate is a bit much for my tastes though.

Looks a lot like a Range Rover meets JL features.

The body mounted mirrors are a smart move.... but storing the doors in the bach is MEH to me... in that scenario you almost always have shit in the back. Great for showing off on the way to the mall though, if we ever go back to having malls.
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I might reserve/order one though.... Getting kind of tired of the JL after 7 Arizona trips in 4 months.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:20 pm I might reserve/order one though.... Getting kind of tired of the JL after 7 Arizona trips in 4 months.
:ohdang:

I’m kinda liking them too. 2-door tickles some jimmies for me.
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Apex wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 pm
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:20 pm I might reserve/order one though.... Getting kind of tired of the JL after 7 Arizona trips in 4 months.
:ohdang:

I’m kinda liking them too. 2-door tickles some jimmies for me.
From what I just saw, I would 100% go 2 door. It looks massive enough and pretty meaty.
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I do wonder about first year fraud issues @ :waxer: you got burned by the mustang... this may be worse... as it is quite a complicated and ALL NEW vehicle.
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Does the $100 deposit get it at sticker?
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Offline trail maps embedded in the infotainment system. Nice.

2.3 and 2.7 turbo motors.

Sway bar discos.

Sounds pretty awesome. Can’t wait to hear some reviews.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:28 pm
Apex wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 pm

:ohdang:

I’m kinda liking them too. 2-door tickles some jimmies for me.
From what I just saw, I would 100% go 2 door. It looks massive enough and pretty meaty.
I’d love to see some specs like wheelbase and width. And does the 2door have a backseat? That’s fairly critical for me...
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max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:30 pm I do wonder about first year fraud issues @ :waxer: you got burned by the mustang... this may be worse... as it is quite a complicated and ALL NEW vehicle.
I would never do a first year Fraud. Their track record is fucking terrible.

But. This is totally rad. And I highly doubt they will let it go with a major engineering screw up. Minor things yeah sure that’s to be expected like a button doesn’t work or a rattle or whatever.
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max225 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:30 pm I do wonder about first year fraud issues @ :waxer: you got burned by the mustang... this may be worse... as it is quite a complicated and ALL NEW vehicle.
FULLY agreed my friend.. that's the dinner discussion tonight.
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Azn “doesn’t hate” it and “it looks much better than I thought “. So this may be the way..
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This is going to print money for them.

Wifey wants one to replace Renegade. Press photos have mountain bikes hanging off the back. Lease is up July 2021.

They just sold her.
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fledonfoot wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:10 pm This is going to print money for them.

Wifey wants one to replace Renegade. Press photos have mountain bikes hanging off the back. Lease is up July 2021.

They just sold her.
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