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Speaking of issues... anyone else with the :jalapenis: 2.0T have like a weird whistle noise for a fraction of a second on startup? I assume that's just the way it sounds :aintcare:

That is I guess my one complaint with the 2.0T, it does sound like :poop: That said.... this is my 3rd 2.0T from three different manufacturers and none of them sound good.
The only decent ones are essentially hype R and I guess my mini with the boom pipe
My F30 with the Borla catback sounds decent... but still leaves a bit to be desired.

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Speaking of issues... anyone else with the :jalapenis: 2.0T have like a weird whistle noise for a fraction of a second on startup? I assume that's just the way it sounds :aintcare:

That is I guess my one complaint with the 2.0T, it does sound like :poop: That said.... this is my 3rd 2.0T from three different manufacturers and none of them sound good.
You have everything for an :ellis: swap sitting in your driveway. Just saying.... :lol:
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I could also then have the only 2.0T eight speed auto :poorvette:

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Don’t mind me, just checking out onboard air setups. :troywax:

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(Reuters) - In the midst of a raging pandemic, Belal Bilto, 26, a sales executive and a Manhattan resident bought a midsize pickup Jeep Gladiator this month for just over $48,000, lured by a discount of about $5,000 on the list price and a seven-year, no-interest loan.

For Bilto, who was laid off in March, and his fiancé Sabrina Moller, 28, a private chef, a car seemed a safer option to travel around during the virus outbreak. Most importantly the truck's purchase is a business expense for the couple to support their new boutique mobile catering venture, platedate.
:wtf: did i just read

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(Reuters) - In the midst of a raging pandemic, Belal Bilto, 26, a sales executive and a Manhattan resident bought a midsize pickup Jeep Gladiator this month for just over $48,000, lured by a discount of about $5,000 on the list price and a seven-year, no-interest loan.

For Bilto, who was laid off in March, and his fiancé Sabrina Moller, 28, a private chef, a car seemed a safer option to travel around during the virus outbreak. Most importantly the truck's purchase is a business expense for the couple to support their new boutique mobile catering venture, platedate.
:wtf: did i just read
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Guessing he was doing well if he was laid off and still managed to score the no interest loan.

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(Reuters) - In the midst of a raging pandemic, Belal Bilto, 26, a sales executive and a Manhattan resident bought a midsize pickup Jeep Gladiator this month for just over $48,000, lured by a discount of about $5,000 on the list price and a seven-year, no-interest loan.

For Bilto, who was laid off in March, and his fiancé Sabrina Moller, 28, a private chef, a car seemed a safer option to travel around during the virus outbreak. Most importantly the truck's purchase is a business expense for the couple to support their new boutique mobile catering venture, platedate.
:wtf: did i just read
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:wtf: did i just read
:mindblown:

Guessing he was doing well if he was laid off and still managed to score the no interest loan.
FCA gonna FCA. He overpaid by $5k on the truck. They threw him the no interest loan bone. Either way he took some meat.

I’m laid off. Nissan loves throwing money at people they shouldn’t. Maybe I could get a primo discount and no interest loan on a GTR 🤔 It has a back seat, perfect kid and puppy hauler. Wonder if I can put a hitch on it for bikes. And a roof rack plus space pod for a stroller.

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Don’t mind me, just checking out onboard air setups. :troywax:
ARB compressor? For airing up/down at trails? :neat: stuff.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:14 am

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Don’t mind me, just checking out onboard air setups. :troywax:
ARB compressor? For airing up/down at trails? :neat: stuff.
Yeah, dual ARB compressor for airing up/down. One company has a :neat: valve that you can set for the pressure you want and it’ll put all 4 tires there at the same time.

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:mindblown:

Guessing he was doing well if he was laid off and still managed to score the no interest loan.
FCA gonna FCA. He overpaid by $5k on the truck. They threw him the no interest loan bone. Either way he took some meat.

I’m laid off. Nissan loves throwing money at people they shouldn’t. Maybe I could get a primo discount and no interest loan on a GTR 🤔 It has a back seat, perfect kid and puppy hauler. Wonder if I can put a hitch on it for bikes. And a roof rack plus space pod for a stroller.
You could do that plus an instagram/YouTube channel of your adventures and get that internet money. :waxer:

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I've now seen two different local whoreange JT Rubis with black hard tops. :mindblown:

Chris your people are all here I guess.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:19 am

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:59 am
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:58 am


:mindblown:

Guessing he was doing well if he was laid off and still managed to score the no interest loan.
FCA gonna FCA. He overpaid by $5k on the truck. They threw him the no interest loan bone. Either way he took some meat.

I’m laid off. Nissan loves throwing money at people they shouldn’t. Maybe I could get a primo discount and no interest loan on a GTR 🤔 It has a back seat, perfect kid and puppy hauler. Wonder if I can put a hitch on it for bikes. And a roof rack plus space pod for a stroller.
Iirc :waxer: had the complete opposite experience. Nissan :diller: tried some BS to get him a high interest loan. Pretty sure tow bar are available for them though.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:21 am

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:14 am
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:07 am


ARB compressor? For airing up/down at trails? :neat: stuff.
Yeah, dual ARB compressor for airing up/down. One company has a :neat: valve that you can set for the pressure you want and it’ll put all 4 tires there at the same time.
I've looked into this, but man is it a lot of money and effort for :notsure: convenience.

I use these to air down:
https://www.amazon.com/Teraflex-4807200 ... B006D9W5FA

I don't screw them on that far so the deflation rate is slow. I can screw them onto all 4 tires then check the pressure on the first tire a until I'm at the desired, then unscrew them all. Works great.

Then I bought this air pump:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000L ... UTF8&psc=1

And modded it by replacing the wiring with 10awg jumper cable from HF. It easily sits under my back seat, and sets up super fast...it also inflates rather quickly with the wiring mod. While it can't do multiple tires at the same time, it doesn't really matter because it's surprisingly fast.

I really don't care for deflators that remove the valve core like ARB or AEV, I've seen multiple occasions where the core gets cross-threaded when screwing back in, causing a nightmare when you just want to hit the trail.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:19 am
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:59 am


FCA gonna FCA. He overpaid by $5k on the truck. They threw him the no interest loan bone. Either way he took some meat.

I’m laid off. Nissan loves throwing money at people they shouldn’t. Maybe I could get a primo discount and no interest loan on a GTR 🤔 It has a back seat, perfect kid and puppy hauler. Wonder if I can put a hitch on it for bikes. And a roof rack plus space pod for a stroller.
Iirc :waxer: had the complete opposite experience. Nissan :diller: tried some BS to get him a high interest loan. Pretty sure tow bar are available for them though.
Yea, Nissan doesn't do low interest. Their game is to approve sub-prime applicants that can't get approved elsewhere at phenomenally high interest rates, which is all profit since vehicles aren't THAT hard to repo.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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I've now seen two different local whoreange JT Rubis with black hard tops. :mindblown:

Chris your people are all here I guess.
:ohdang:

I've never seen another one around here.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Speaking of issues... anyone else with the :jalapenis: 2.0T have like a weird whistle noise for a fraction of a second on startup? I assume that's just the way it sounds :aintcare:

That is I guess my one complaint with the 2.0T, it does sound like :poop: That said.... this is my 3rd 2.0T from three different manufacturers and none of them sound good.
Yep, ours sounds a bit weird on cold start too. :aintcare:

The sound really is the 2.0's biggest downfall. It's really not great, which is funny because this is the same company that made the 500 Abarth the best sounding car in the industry for a time.

The 3.6 in my JT sounds fantastic :doe: It's surprising actually.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:35 am

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:21 am
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Yeah, dual ARB compressor for airing up/down. One company has a :neat: valve that you can set for the pressure you want and it’ll put all 4 tires there at the same time.
I've looked into this, but man is it a lot of money and effort for :notsure: convenience.

I use these to air down:
https://www.amazon.com/Teraflex-4807200 ... B006D9W5FA

I don't screw them on that far so the deflation rate is slow. I can screw them onto all 4 tires then check the pressure on the first tire a until I'm at the desired, then unscrew them all. Works great.

Then I bought this air pump:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000L ... UTF8&psc=1

And modded it by replacing the wiring with 10awg jumper cable from HF. It easily sits under my back seat, and sets up super fast...it also inflates rather quickly with the wiring mod. While it can't do multiple tires at the same time, it doesn't really matter because it's surprisingly fast.

I really don't care for deflators that remove the valve core like ARB or AEV, I've seen multiple occasions where the core gets cross-threaded when screwing back in, causing a nightmare when you just want to hit the trail.
Oh I agree it’s full :wasteful: but :neat: to have onboard air.
We have a similar pump setup right now and it does work fairly well.

I don’t want anything to do with removing cores, that sounds like a bad situation waiting to happen. But those little keyring caps look like a helpful air down option. You have to remove them to check the pressure, right?

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:37 am

Apex wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:35 am
Detroit wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:21 am

I've looked into this, but man is it a lot of money and effort for :notsure: convenience.

I use these to air down:
https://www.amazon.com/Teraflex-4807200 ... B006D9W5FA

I don't screw them on that far so the deflation rate is slow. I can screw them onto all 4 tires then check the pressure on the first tire a until I'm at the desired, then unscrew them all. Works great.

Then I bought this air pump:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000L ... UTF8&psc=1

And modded it by replacing the wiring with 10awg jumper cable from HF. It easily sits under my back seat, and sets up super fast...it also inflates rather quickly with the wiring mod. While it can't do multiple tires at the same time, it doesn't really matter because it's surprisingly fast.

I really don't care for deflators that remove the valve core like ARB or AEV, I've seen multiple occasions where the core gets cross-threaded when screwing back in, causing a nightmare when you just want to hit the trail.
Oh I agree it’s full :wasteful: but :neat: to have onboard air.
We have a similar pump setup right now and it does work fairly well.

I don’t want anything to do with removing cores, that sounds like a bad situation waiting to happen. But those little keyring caps look like a helpful air down option. You have to remove them to check the pressure, right?
Onboard air is neat, but I can never justify the cost.

The screw on deflators are fantastic, and no...you don't need to remove them to check pressure. Just stick the pressure gauge over it as it's deflating. But I also don't screw them on far, so the velocity of air leaving isn't that crazy.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:56 am

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:37 am
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Oh I agree it’s full :wasteful: but :neat: to have onboard air.
We have a similar pump setup right now and it does work fairly well.

I don’t want anything to do with removing cores, that sounds like a bad situation waiting to happen. But those little keyring caps look like a helpful air down option. You have to remove them to check the pressure, right?
Onboard air is neat, but I can never justify the cost.

The screw on deflators are fantastic, and no...you don't need to remove them to check pressure. Just stick the pressure gauge over it as it's deflating. But I also don't screw them on far, so the velocity of air leaving isn't that crazy.
Yeah, I just look for ways to blow money sometimes. :troywax:

That’s handy that you can check the pressure while they’re deflating. Could be a worthwhile $18 spend...

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Onboard air is neat, but I can never justify the cost.

The screw on deflators are fantastic, and no...you don't need to remove them to check pressure. Just stick the pressure gauge over it as it's deflating. But I also don't screw them on far, so the velocity of air leaving isn't that crazy.
Yeah, I just look for ways to blow money sometimes. :troywax:

That’s handy that you can check the pressure while they’re deflating. Could be a worthwhile $18 spend...
If you deflate tires often, it's a really handy thing to keep in the glovebox. Much better than using some sort of pointy object.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Turned over 10k yesterday. Has been flawless.

And so no, it certainly does not deserve that terrible name.
:yikes: Btw any rear swaybar end link issues, or is it just FORUM OFFROAD bros snapping them by posting excessive flex pics?

My dad's 300s has got close to 40k miles. 0 issues... Even though JD powers rated chrysler near the END of the list... :lol:
Swaybar endlink issues? Not here, but I also haven't wheeled it much with the virus and whatnot. 99% all highway/city miles so far. Yes, I'm :| in that, but the truck has been flawless for 10k miles.

Wife's JL is back to having starting issues that make ZERO sense. It'll start fine for her to leave the house, then won't start again when she goes to leave wherever she drove to...but only sometimes. Then once she jumps it (she's a pro using the jump pack), it'll start fine for a while.

I can't stand intermittent issues like that because they make no sense. She doesn't want to waste time taking it to the :dillerman: because she knows just like me that they won't be able to find anything wrong with it. I think she just needs to drive it more...it's got under 4k miles on it and we've had it for 10 months. We take my truck everywhere because of unlimited mileage and zero deductible insurance, plus she's not working, so nowhere to take it on the regular. We really don't need two vehicles.
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:11 pm

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:mindblown:

Guessing he was doing well if he was laid off and still managed to score the no interest loan.
FCA gonna FCA. He overpaid by $5k on the truck. They threw him the no interest loan bone. Either way he took some meat.

I’m laid off. Nissan loves throwing money at people they shouldn’t. Maybe I could get a primo discount and no interest loan on a GTR 🤔 It has a back seat, perfect kid and puppy hauler. Wonder if I can put a hitch on it for bikes. And a roof rack plus space pod for a stroller.
Well it is an automatic :hue: :doit:

@Max's quote... :lolol: "we felt that a car was the safest way to get around" and they purchase a $50K :truk:

Also, a :jeep: :truk: in Manhattan? That would blow :dedong:

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Speaking of issues... anyone else with the :jalapenis: 2.0T have like a weird whistle noise for a fraction of a second on startup? I assume that's just the way it sounds :aintcare:

That is I guess my one complaint with the 2.0T, it does sound like :poop: That said.... this is my 3rd 2.0T from three different manufacturers and none of them sound good.
Yep, ours sounds a bit weird on cold start too. :aintcare:

The sound really is the 2.0's biggest downfall. It's really not great, which is funny because this is the same company that made the 500 Abarth the best sounding car in the industry for a time.

The 3.6 in my JT sounds fantastic :doe: It's surprising actually.
As long as we're not the only ones, :aintcare:

The 3.6 sounds pretty decent to me as well... :tits: is really the primary driver though and she just likes quiet/no engine noises :sad: :aintcare:

I don't understand why more sporty four cylinder turbo things don't sound like the Abarf. That and some Subarus are really the only turbo fours that sound at all good, IMO. The Civic Si/Hype R are OK but not as good as the NA Hondas were.

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When we drove on the beach I just aired down with a tire pressure gauge like a poor. Then, I aired up at a gas station. In the future I will bring my little pump like the one Chris linked... it works well enough for our use. Last week's soft roading adventures, I just went in at 38 PSI. I was a bit nervous as there was some deep sand, but I just hit at at a decent speed and stayed in it, it was :thisisfine:

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Yep, ours sounds a bit weird on cold start too. :aintcare:

The sound really is the 2.0's biggest downfall. It's really not great, which is funny because this is the same company that made the 500 Abarth the best sounding car in the industry for a time.

The 3.6 in my JT sounds fantastic :doe: It's surprising actually.
As long as we're not the only ones, :aintcare:

The 3.6 sounds pretty decent to me as well... :tits: is really the primary driver though and she just likes quiet/no engine noises :sad: :aintcare:

I don't understand why more sporty four cylinder turbo things don't sound like the Abarf. That and some Subarus are really the only turbo fours that sound at all good, IMO. The Civic Si/Hype R are OK but not as good as the NA Hondas were.
Back when we were in the office I was eavesdropping on a conversation between my counterpart on JL and some powertrain engineers. My counterpart had "improve 2.0T engine sound" on an improvement list, and the engineer was confused. "What's it supposed to sound like?" he asked. My counterpart said "not shitty". :lolol:

I piped in and asked if they had ever heard an Abarth. The engineer went :notsure: "that's a performance car, not a Jeep". "So Jeeps are supposed to sound like shit?" I responded.

The dude was unamused. :lolol:
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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