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Late to the party here.
There's basically nothing at all wrong with the Sonata. Excellent infotainment, easy to drive, handles and rides well, power is good at 0-60 in like 8 flat which makes merging and passing easy yet still gets 35 highway on donkey piss and an NA motor means it's always going to perform exactly the same. Electric steering is appropriate, far less to break and maintain and provides a fuel economy benefit, and really nobody cares about steering feel in a derpmobile anyways.

H/K are killing it in the sedan market since all the domestics gave up, and the Japanese have priced themselves higher.
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Took the day off work today and we drove to Wisconsin to an outlet mall to do some Christmas shopping. Took her car and I drove, so finally got some decent seat time. First, the Smart Cruise Control worked awesome. There are 4 levels of distance to choose from, plus, and this is what sold it for me, there are 3 levels of responsiveness it can be set to which alters how quickly it accelerates when you change lanes to pass a slower :derp: . At the middle setting it accelerated immediately once the slow car is not directly in front of you, so when you're half way into the new lane you're already gaining on the slow car. Totally sold on it. Second, though numb, the steering is good, the car tracks true, and it does not wander, which her Saturn sometimes did ever since new. It's also quiet and the MFD was intuitive and filled with :neat: things to set. The one-tap to pass turn signal can be set to 3, 5, or 7 blinks. You need a vagcom to do that to a VW. The dual memory seat adjustments are fantastic because she's shorter than me and doesn't know how to properly set the side view mirrors. Now, just hit setting 1 for her or 2 for me and the seat and mirrors change for each driver. Heated steering wheel will blister your fingers, and the ass roasters/chillers are :megusta: . Fantastic LED headlights that bend into curves. 18.5 gallon gas tank. Got 34 mpg on the highway on 87. Power and pickup are definitely good enough. HU is responsive and comprehensive. Dual zone CC. Full leather. We paid $23k for this. Show me a better :derp: mobile for the price with a comparable warranty.
For a woman that’s it ...
for myself I’d civic sport ...
or mini ... with no warranty :thisisfine:

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Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here

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wap wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:41 am
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:16 pm


Late to the party here.
There's basically nothing at all wrong with the Sonata. Excellent infotainment, easy to drive, handles and rides well, power is good at 0-60 in like 8 flat which makes merging and passing easy yet still gets 35 highway on donkey piss and an NA motor means it's always going to perform exactly the same. Electric steering is appropriate, far less to break and maintain and provides a fuel economy benefit, and really nobody cares about steering feel in a derpmobile anyways.

H/K are killing it in the sedan market since all the domestics gave up, and the Japanese have priced themselves higher.
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Took the day off work today and we drove to Wisconsin to an outlet mall to do some Christmas shopping. Took her car and I drove, so finally got some decent seat time. First, the Smart Cruise Control worked awesome. There are 4 levels of distance to choose from, plus, and this is what sold it for me, there are 3 levels of responsiveness it can be set to which alters how quickly it accelerates when you change lanes to pass a slower :derp: . At the middle setting it accelerated immediately once the slow car is not directly in front of you, so when you're half way into the new lane you're already gaining on the slow car. Totally sold on it. Second, though numb, the steering is good, the car tracks true, and it does not wander, which her Saturn sometimes did ever since new. It's also quiet and the MFD was intuitive and filled with :neat: things to set. The one-tap to pass turn signal can be set to 3, 5, or 7 blinks. You need a vagcom to do that to a VW. The dual memory seat adjustments are fantastic because she's shorter than me and doesn't know how to properly set the side view mirrors. Now, just hit setting 1 for her or 2 for me and the seat and mirrors change for each driver. Heated steering wheel will blister your fingers, and the ass roasters/chillers are :megusta: . Fantastic LED headlights that bend into curves. 18.5 gallon gas tank. Got 34 mpg on the highway on 87. Power and pickup are definitely good enough. HU is responsive and comprehensive. Dual zone CC. Full leather. We paid $23k for this. Show me a better :derp: mobile for the price with a comparable warranty.
Yep 100% agreed my man. Y'all made a good choice. I'm seeing an absolute ASSLOAD of brand new H/K cars around me. All 2020's. There's a reason for that. They don't suck.

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:54 am

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Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
Still trippin’ on tryptophan.
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Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
Still trippin’ on tryptophan.
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Nm googled it . :lol:

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:44 am
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:dat:
Took the day off work today and we drove to Wisconsin to an outlet mall to do some Christmas shopping. Took her car and I drove, so finally got some decent seat time. First, the Smart Cruise Control worked awesome. There are 4 levels of distance to choose from, plus, and this is what sold it for me, there are 3 levels of responsiveness it can be set to which alters how quickly it accelerates when you change lanes to pass a slower :derp: . At the middle setting it accelerated immediately once the slow car is not directly in front of you, so when you're half way into the new lane you're already gaining on the slow car. Totally sold on it. Second, though numb, the steering is good, the car tracks true, and it does not wander, which her Saturn sometimes did ever since new. It's also quiet and the MFD was intuitive and filled with :neat: things to set. The one-tap to pass turn signal can be set to 3, 5, or 7 blinks. You need a vagcom to do that to a VW. The dual memory seat adjustments are fantastic because she's shorter than me and doesn't know how to properly set the side view mirrors. Now, just hit setting 1 for her or 2 for me and the seat and mirrors change for each driver. Heated steering wheel will blister your fingers, and the ass roasters/chillers are :megusta: . Fantastic LED headlights that bend into curves. 18.5 gallon gas tank. Got 34 mpg on the highway on 87. Power and pickup are definitely good enough. HU is responsive and comprehensive. Dual zone CC. Full leather. We paid $23k for this. Show me a better :derp: mobile for the price with a comparable warranty.
For a woman that’s it ...
for myself I’d civic sport ...
or mini ... with no warranty :thisisfine:
Yup. It's not an enthusiast car, but it doesn't try to be. It's just an honest, solid :toaster: with a :mindblown: amount of features and active safety tech (which is really needed for :tits: and :derp: s these days imo) for the price that'll give good service for a decade.
:wap: Where are these mangos?

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:dat:
Took the day off work today and we drove to Wisconsin to an outlet mall to do some Christmas shopping. Took her car and I drove, so finally got some decent seat time. First, the Smart Cruise Control worked awesome. There are 4 levels of distance to choose from, plus, and this is what sold it for me, there are 3 levels of responsiveness it can be set to which alters how quickly it accelerates when you change lanes to pass a slower :derp: . At the middle setting it accelerated immediately once the slow car is not directly in front of you, so when you're half way into the new lane you're already gaining on the slow car. Totally sold on it. Second, though numb, the steering is good, the car tracks true, and it does not wander, which her Saturn sometimes did ever since new. It's also quiet and the MFD was intuitive and filled with :neat: things to set. The one-tap to pass turn signal can be set to 3, 5, or 7 blinks. You need a vagcom to do that to a VW. The dual memory seat adjustments are fantastic because she's shorter than me and doesn't know how to properly set the side view mirrors. Now, just hit setting 1 for her or 2 for me and the seat and mirrors change for each driver. Heated steering wheel will blister your fingers, and the ass roasters/chillers are :megusta: . Fantastic LED headlights that bend into curves. 18.5 gallon gas tank. Got 34 mpg on the highway on 87. Power and pickup are definitely good enough. HU is responsive and comprehensive. Dual zone CC. Full leather. We paid $23k for this. Show me a better :derp: mobile for the price with a comparable warranty.
Yep 100% agreed my man. Y'all made a good choice. I'm seeing an absolute ASSLOAD of brand new H/K cars around me. All 2020's. There's a reason for that. They don't suck.
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They're really common here, too. Elantras mostly, then Tucsons, Sonatas, Santa Fe's, then Accents. Don't really see too many Accents.
:wap: Where are these mangos?

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Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:28 am
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:45 am
Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
His assessment is about right. Still a Jeep. There’s less side to side shimmy when going over Baghdad roads and steering inputs are a bit more immediate but it’s still a Jeep. Almost everything on the market will be quieter, handle better, deal with road imperfections better, and track straighter.

I still like the JL. It feels scrappy. In a good way.

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D Griff wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:28 am
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:45 am
Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
The longer the wheelbase, the better it gets. My JT is super easy to drive long distances on the highway. There's certainly a degradation when going to the 4-door, and the 2-door is pretty rough for distance. I drove my dad's for a few hours on the highway, and it's certainly more jittery. For as great as it is overall, you can't overcome physics.
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D Griff wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:28 am
max225 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:45 am
Also where the fk is everyone ? Post thanksgiving nothing up in here
It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
Sounds like it mirrors what we all have been saying also :wrong:

Are you interested in one ?

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:53 am
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It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
His assessment is about right. Still a Jeep. There’s less side to side shimmy when going over Baghdad roads and steering inputs are a bit more immediate but it’s still a Jeep. Almost everything on the market will be quieter, handle better, deal with road imperfections better, and track straighter.

I still like the JL. It feels scrappy. In a good way.
:dat: with the exception of road imperfections comment. The Jeep is excellent at that. And the tires and sidewalls are better up to the task than any vehicle I can think of.

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:34 pm
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His assessment is about right. Still a Jeep. There’s less side to side shimmy when going over Baghdad roads and steering inputs are a bit more immediate but it’s still a Jeep. Almost everything on the market will be quieter, handle better, deal with road imperfections better, and track straighter.

I still like the JL. It feels scrappy. In a good way.
:dat: with the exception of road imperfections comment. The Jeep is excellent at that. And the tires and sidewalls are better up to the task than any vehicle I can think of.
:iono: they wobble a lot when you hit something. You get tossed around. Just my :wrong: lack of experience driving 2 of them for a total of 4 weeks.

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:dat: with the exception of road imperfections comment. The Jeep is excellent at that. And the tires and sidewalls are better up to the task than any vehicle I can think of.
:iono: they wobble a lot when you hit something. You get tossed around. Just my :wrong: lack of experience driving 2 of them for a total of 4 weeks.
Yes they do but what happens to other cars ? Shit goes out of alignment, tires pop, wheels break. That doesn’t happen on a Jeep. You can’t even align it

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:iono: they wobble a lot when you hit something. You get tossed around. Just my :wrong: lack of experience driving 2 of them for a total of 4 weeks.
Yes they do but what happens to other cars ? Shit goes out of alignment, tires pop, wheels break. That doesn’t happen on a Jeep. You can’t even align it
After 2 weeks of driving and being carted around in a JLU, the uber ride home from the airport in a Rav4 piloted by Muhammad was downright luxurious with how quiet and smooth it was. And I don't exactly see them littered on the sides of the highway missing control arms and wheels.

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Yes they do but what happens to other cars ? Shit goes out of alignment, tires pop, wheels break. That doesn’t happen on a Jeep. You can’t even align it
After 2 weeks of driving and being carted around in a JLU, the uber ride home from the airport in a Rav4 piloted by Muhammad was downright luxurious with how quiet and smooth it was. And I don't exactly see them littered on the sides of the highway missing control arms and wheels.
I didn’t say quiet and smooth .... Jeep is neither. But to say that it sucks over bad pavement I disagree with . I suppose we have different definitions for this.

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It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
The longer the wheelbase, the better it gets. My JT is super easy to drive long distances on the highway. There's certainly a degradation when going to the 4-door, and the 2-door is pretty rough for distance. I drove my dad's for a few hours on the highway, and it's certainly more jittery. For as great as it is overall, you can't overcome physics.
I found my JKU rode great - but I also did the Rubicon Recon shocks and springs.

https://www.vroom.com/inventory/jeep-wr ... G5GL244843

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:38 pm
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:29 pm

The longer the wheelbase, the better it gets. My JT is super easy to drive long distances on the highway. There's certainly a degradation when going to the 4-door, and the 2-door is pretty rough for distance. I drove my dad's for a few hours on the highway, and it's certainly more jittery. For as great as it is overall, you can't overcome physics.
I found my JKU rode great - but I also did the Rubicon Recon shocks and springs.

https://www.vroom.com/inventory/jeep-wr ... G5GL244843

Go get it!
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That seems like a thin margin from what they paid you to what they’re selling it for.

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32k for a 4 year old jeep with nearly 50k miles...

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32k for a 4 year old jeep with nearly 50k miles...
Not even top trim either.

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It's :sad: :foreveralone:

Back to :jeep: talk. My buddy who was with me at the auto show and co- :mindblown: with how epic the JL is test drove a poverty-spec two door the other day. He was hoping to not like it enough to buy one and came away saying it's better than older :jeep: but still drives like a :jeep: i.e. wallows a ton, epic wind swaying, not great on the highway, etc. He did mention the shifter/clutch were really easy and :nice: . I still want to drive one of these things.
Sounds like it mirrors what we all have been saying also :wrong:

Are you interested in one ?
Not really... I love them and always come back to them, but it doesn't really make a ton of sense. It would be cool to own one someday.

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Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:38 pm
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:29 pm

The longer the wheelbase, the better it gets. My JT is super easy to drive long distances on the highway. There's certainly a degradation when going to the 4-door, and the 2-door is pretty rough for distance. I drove my dad's for a few hours on the highway, and it's certainly more jittery. For as great as it is overall, you can't overcome physics.
I found my JKU rode great - but I also did the Rubicon Recon shocks and springs.

https://www.vroom.com/inventory/jeep-wr ... G5GL244843

Go get it!
So they gave you $29K, had to pay for delivery on two ends, costs of inventorying the vehicle for multiple months... :wtf: how is this a business model? That margin in nonexistent/shit.

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:14 pm

D Griff wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:09 pm
Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:38 pm


I found my JKU rode great - but I also did the Rubicon Recon shocks and springs.

https://www.vroom.com/inventory/jeep-wr ... G5GL244843

Go get it!
So they gave you $29K, had to pay for delivery on two ends, costs of inventorying the vehicle for multiple months... :wtf: how is this a business model? That margin in nonexistent/shit.
Don't know, don't care.

All I care about is that I took advantage of it and seemingly had a great experience.

What I've heard is that Vroom is willing to buy deep to gain market share for now. Interesting to see where it goes.
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So they gave you $29K, had to pay for delivery on two ends, costs of inventorying the vehicle for multiple months... :wtf: how is this a business model? That margin in nonexistent/shit.
Don't know, don't care.

All I care about is that I took advantage of it and seemingly had a great experience.

What I've heard is that Vroom is willing to buy deep to gain market share for now. Interesting to see where it goes.
Oh, the usual "hemorrhage money now for a bright future" Tesla/Uber strategy? :popcorn:

Great for you and your :dill: :doe:

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:19 pm
Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:14 pm


Don't know, don't care.

All I care about is that I took advantage of it and seemingly had a great experience.

What I've heard is that Vroom is willing to buy deep to gain market share for now. Interesting to see where it goes.
Oh, the usual "hemorrhage money now for a bright future" Tesla/Uber strategy? :popcorn:

Great for you and your :dill: :doe:
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