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Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:03 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.

Re: Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:06 pm
by troyguitar
Detroit wrote:
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
But chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:09 pm
by Melon
Detroit wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:03 pm
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:12 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:09 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:03 pm
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:13 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
troyguitar wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:06 pm
Detroit wrote: The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
But chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.
Comrade.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:19 pm
by Melon
Detroit wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:12 pm
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:09 pm

Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:26 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:19 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:12 pm
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
True...but the same thing could happen if you try to enforce bribes.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:27 pm
by Melon
Detroit wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:26 pm
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:19 pm

If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
True...but the same thing could happen if you try to enforce bribes.
It's worth a shot :doe:

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:41 am
by KYGTIGuy
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
Getting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:37 am
by Huckleberry
KYGTIGuy wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:41 am
Melon wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
Getting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.
At least one of the Koch brothers kicked the bucket.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:45 am
by KYGTIGuy

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:15 pm
by Irish
^ Very sad state of affairs....... Our safety, both physical and financial, has been compromised in the name of bolstering the bottom line for the 1% ......

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:59 am
by dubshow
TAXES BREH

Fucking killin people an shit
the $14,758.11 that the average American consumer unit paid for food, clothing and health care was $3,859.82 less than the $18,617.93 it paid in federal, state and local income taxes, property taxes, Social Security taxes and "other taxes."
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/tere ... e-combined

Re: Democratic Socialists

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:14 pm
by troyguitar
Flat tax? We effectively have had that or close to it for many recent years. :thanksobama:



Edit: fuck it the link didn't work :whocares:

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am
by dubshow
Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.

inb4 :whocares: :thisisfine:

The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....

https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
A dozen Democrats seeking the presidency tussled Tuesday night in a debate packed with policy, flubbing some details in the process.

Several gave an iffy explanation of why they’re not swinging behind a bold proposal to make people turn over their assault-style weapons. Sloppiness also crept in during robust exchanges over foreign policy, health care, taxes and more.

How some of their claims from Westerville, Ohio, stack up with the facts:
:wrong:

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 am
by Huckleberry
dubshow wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.

inb4 :whocares: :thisisfine:

The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....

https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
A dozen Democrats seeking the presidency tussled Tuesday night in a debate packed with policy, flubbing some details in the process.

Several gave an iffy explanation of why they’re not swinging behind a bold proposal to make people turn over their assault-style weapons. Sloppiness also crept in during robust exchanges over foreign policy, health care, taxes and more.

How some of their claims from Westerville, Ohio, stack up with the facts:
:wrong:
Those debates are turning more and more into a circus.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:09 pm
by wap
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 am
dubshow wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.

inb4 :whocares: :thisisfine:

The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....

https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817



:wrong:
Those debates are turning more and more into a circus.
They're basically worthless until at least 2/3 of them have dropped out.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm
by Huckleberry
I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump. :notbad:

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:37 pm
by wap
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump. :notbad:
Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:43 pm
by goIftdibrad
wap wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:37 pm
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump. :notbad:
Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.
:howdareu: :howdareu: :howdareu:

Not a fan of Weld :doe:

Re: Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:57 pm
by troyguitar
wap wrote:
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump. :notbad:
Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.
His Maserati does 185 :doe:

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:08 pm
by wap
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:43 pm
wap wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:37 pm

Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.
:howdareu: :howdareu: :howdareu:

Not a fan of Weld :doe:
He's really turrible.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:09 pm
by wap
troyguitar wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:57 pm
wap wrote:
Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.
His Maserati does 185 :doe:
They took his license, now he don't drive.

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:21 pm
by Irish
wap wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:09 pm
troyguitar wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:57 pm His Maserati does 185 :doe:
They took his license, now he don't drive.
He has a limo, rides in the back
He locks the doors in case he's attacked

Democratic Socialists

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:11 pm
by wap
Irish wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:21 pm
wap wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:09 pm

They took his license, now he don't drive.
He has a limo, rides in the back
He locks the doors in case he's attacked
:like:

Quick story, back in the 80's Walsh became friends with a local DJ here that became mildly famous, named Steve Dahl. Maybe you remember him from Disco Demolition Night at Comisky Park almost 40 years ago. Anyway, Walsh was singing Life's Been Good live on Dahl's show and he changed the line to,

I got a limo, ride in the trunk.
They lock the doors in case I get drunk.