DFD

And tacking on the word “democratic” doesn’t change things. Socialism has never been democratic. Democracies protect the minority against the abuse of the majority. A society, where the individual’s inalienable rights to life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness are not protected is not a democracy, but much closer to mob rule.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:05 pm

Democracy is, by definition, the majority imposing its will upon the minority. It is mob rule.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:16 pm Not yet, obviously... but if they don't even understand democracy I'm not optimistic about the rest of it.

dubshow wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:16 pm Not yet, obviously... but if they don't even understand democracy I'm not optimistic about the rest of it.

A large portion of the party group (running for prez 2020) you support indentify as some form of Democratic Socialist.



im pretty certain Biden is the only "true blue" of old

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:29 pm

dubshow wrote:
A large portion of the party group (running for prez 2020) you support indentify as some form of Democratic Socialist.



im pretty certain Biden is the only "true blue" of old

Between Trump and Not Trump, the choice is clear. I'd vote for Ayn Rand over Trump.

dubshow wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:29 pm Between Trump and Not Trump, the choice is clear. I'd vote for Ayn Rand over Trump.

:wow:

That's a lot of hate

troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:32 pm

dubshow wrote:
:wow:

That's a lot of hate

The dude is unacceptable without even getting into policy positions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 2e4766a4bc

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

dubshow wrote:

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:49 am

dubshow wrote:
big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.

Trump will drain the swamp. He's got this.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

wap wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:21 am

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.

Dat healthcare industrial complex.

dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:45 am

wap wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:21 am

Dat healthcare industrial complex.

what I dont see is a bunch of health care providers (ie the doctors themselves) clamoring to switch to a unified .gov single payer system.

We've now expanded medicare and basically anyone making less than $40k/yr is on the .gov dole. I'd love to find some middle ground. We obviously have epic shit pots of money literally burned each year by the .gov. We can obviously afford to re-prioritize where that money is spent. The current system is so fucked, Im glad i only have to deal with it once or twice per year. Everyone in the large middle class pays through the noise for very basic (annual) services.

Meanwhile the poors have chronic health issues by a large margin, use the wrong services(ie ER/emergency for non emergency ailments), and dont take any responsibility for their well-being.

Why is some dip shit that is 400lbs and cant walk or give a fuck my fucking problem? They have made themselves disabled. And that type of person is the face of the poors on Medicare.

wap wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:29 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:45 am

what I dont see is a bunch of health care providers (ie the doctors themselves) clamoring to switch to a unified .gov single payer system.

We've now expanded medicare and basically anyone making less than $40k/yr is on the .gov dole. I'd love to find some middle ground. We obviously have epic shit pots of money literally burned each year by the .gov. We can obviously afford to re-prioritize where that money is spent. The current system is so fucked, Im glad i only have to deal with it once or twice per year. Everyone in the large middle class pays through the noise for very basic (annual) services.

Meanwhile the poors have chronic health issues by a large margin, use the wrong services(ie ER/emergency for non emergency ailments), and dont take any responsibility for their well-being.

Why is some dip shit that is 400lbs and cant walk or give a fuck my fucking problem? They have made themselves disabled. And that type of person is the face of the poors on Medicare.

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practi ... re-for-all
http://pnhp.org/news/why-doctors-are-wa ... e-for-all/

Also, poors are on Medicaid, not Medicare.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:48 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:40 am

big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.

I can appreciates this.

The career politicians getting paid off to do the deeds of big biz is bad news bears.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:34 pm

dubshow wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:49 am

Trump will drain the swamp. He's got this.

he just brought his swamp waders to DC. The swamp slime cant even stick to his natural slime.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:34 pm