Global Warming - Discussion-Rant

[KYGTIGuy]

Nuclear Energy.

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Let's put one in your backyard

I'm not scared of nuclear power. I'm scared of the people that are who now won't buy my house if a plant was there

[Melon]

Nuclear Energy.

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Let's put one in your backyard

I'm not scared of nuclear power. I'm scared of the people that are who now won't buy my house if a plant was there

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... _bend.aspx

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... ord_3.aspx

[Melon]

Got a modest proposal to bring these 2 conversations together.


Burn poor people's babies for energy..


Win win.

You would get better efficiency from a wells to wheels standpoint if you ate them.

Meals on wheels?

[KYGTIGuy]

Got a modest proposal to bring these 2 conversations together.


Burn poor people's babies for energy..


Win win.

You would get better efficiency from a wells to wheels standpoint if you ate them.

I'm in but I like dark meat

[KYGTIGuy]

Let's put one in your backyard

I'm not scared of nuclear power. I'm scared of the people that are who now won't buy my house if a plant was there

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... _bend.aspx

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... ord_3.aspx

Build a few more down there. I'm all for it.

[goIftdibrad]

Im gonna stop you right there.

you clearly don't know much about energy and where it comes from.

Transport costs in terms of energy use are only like a third of our use. FWIW, I 100% agree that fuel taxes should be higher to cover the cost of roads and encourage better behavior, 100 mile commutes are stupid, etc, etc. Its an argument I stand behind. But the larger ENERGY picture in regards to AGW is much bigger:




Let's just say for the sake of argument that they throw a 30% tax per kwhr on all carbon energy. So 20% of our energy is non-carbon based, the other 80 is. Thats a 24% tax on all energy overall.

EVERYTHING from soap to medical supplies to CITY WATER (look up how chlorine is made not to mention pumping energy) will get 24% more expensive at a minimum.

You wont make 24% more money. Where are you going to cut a quarter of your spending?

Oh my. Couple things. 1 - Why pick 30%? The percentage applied using a carbon tax wouldn't even be flat, for goodness' sake. It would vary based on the ratio of carbon emissions against kwh or some other unit of measure. 2 - Obviously energy prices go beyond just personal spending habits. But when energy costs become a bigger weight on a company's COGS, they'll do what they can to reduce them. Businesses will compete to bring costs back down to where they were prior to the carbon tax. Gubmint could reduce company paid payroll taxes, siphon off some of the carbon tax to replace the employer-paid portion of the social security tax, further reduce the corporate tax rate...any number of things to keep the tax changes revenue neutral while encouraging a shift away from carbon-based fuels. There are brilliant actuaries and economists who can and have figured this shit out.

1. 30% is near the number i see kicked around from the carbon tax lobby, it did not come out of thin air.

RE: emission against kwh..... its near 30% no matter what dude, on average. The and engineering confirm this. Combined cycle natural gas can push 50%, but you cannot rebuild our power plant infrastructure overnight. Furthermore, if carbon emissions are your concern, its far more 'dirty' to build a NEW fossil fuel power plant with a huge capital expenditure and 30 more years of life vs keeping an old one online. Put another way: minor increases in thermal efficiency that require a new plant are worse than just running the old plant to the end of its life.

2. Corporations don't give a good goddamn about energy cost.


They pass the raw material / energy cost straight to consumers.

[dubshow]

so why do we keep expanding this social welfare, endlessly, and hoping for a better resolve? The problem can't shrink if you keep feeding it.

It ends in 2 ways: Full socialism with no :waxers: and everyone makes just what they need to exist "for the greater good". After massive class warfare of course. Money would be taken at gun point.
or
The slow spiral into more unsustainable fiat magic debt money where we get our bluff called and the rest of the world finds a knew currency scheme. Which would probably result in an epic ww3 thing.

I'm not a social warfare crusader.

so you are a nazi.

[dubshow]

You would get better efficiency from a wells to wheels standpoint if you ate them.

Meals on wheels?

im dead. this thread is going places.

[goIftdibrad]

Let's put one in your backyard

I'm not scared of nuclear power. I'm scared of the people that are who now won't buy my house if a plant was there

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... _bend.aspx

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... ord_3.aspx

dont forget grand goof

http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_in ... _gulf.aspx

[dubshow]

Got a modest proposal to bring these 2 conversations together.


Burn poor people's babies for energy..


Win win.

[KYGTIGuy]

Got a modest proposal to bring these 2 conversations together.


Burn poor people's babies for energy..


Win win.

Just over here making jokes referencing early 18th century literary works like a bauce.

I should do stand up. I'm sure there is a huge fan base out there for this genre

[goIftdibrad]

Just over here making jokes referencing early 18th century literary works like a bauce.

I should do stand up. I'm sure there is a huge fan base out there for this genre

I was wondering if that was the reference.

[KYGTIGuy]

Just over here making jokes referencing early 18th century literary works like a bauce.

I should do stand up. I'm sure there is a huge fan base out there for this genre

I was wondering if that was the reference.

I figured you knew after you suggested eating them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

[goIftdibrad]

I was wondering if that was the reference.

I figured you knew after you suggested eating them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Yes, but its also more practical to use for food since thermal conversion is 30% at best, and i guess so is food but it would displace the need for more food, which takes energy to grow.

I thought about it too much.

[KYGTIGuy]

I figured you knew after you suggested eating them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Yes, but its also more practical to use for food since thermal conversion is 30% at best, and i guess so is food but it would displace the need for more food, which takes energy to grow.

I thought about it too much.

When the supply is unlimited, efficiency goes out the window

[goIftdibrad]

Yes, but its also more practical to use for food since thermal conversion is 30% at best, and i guess so is food but it would displace the need for more food, which takes energy to grow.

I thought about it too much.

When the supply is unlimited, efficiency goes out the window

Ban abortion, people gonna fuck, problem solved.

[KYGTIGuy]

When the supply is unlimited, efficiency goes out the window

Ban abortion, people gonna fuck, problem solved.

This is true, after the baby is born, most of those religious folks against abortion stop caring about children. Perfect time to fricassee.

[dubshow]

Just over here making jokes referencing early 18th century literary works like a bauce.

I should do stand up. I'm sure there is a huge fan base out there for this genre

I was wondering if that was the reference.

he said a "modest proposal" OF COURSE THATS WHAT HE MEANT.

[dubshow]

Ban abortion, people gonna fuck, problem solved.

This is true, after the baby is born, most of those religious folks against abortion stop caring about children. Perfect time to fricassee.

pro life and pro war huh?

Im just anti hypocrite breh.

[wap]

Ban abortion, people gonna fuck, problem solved.

This is true, after the baby is born, most of those religious folks against abortion stop caring about children. Perfect time to fricassee.

They're not pro life. They're pro birth. They don't give a shit about the after it's born.

[Melon]

Catholics do.

[Tar]

I thought bashing a specific religion was racist like 2 days ago? Can we set a standard for all religions then?

[Melon]

I thought bashing a specific religion was racist like 2 days ago?

That was only Max saying all Muslims were inherently evil.

[Tar]

I thought bashing a specific religion was racist like 2 days ago?

That was only Max saying all Muslims were inherently evil.

Yeah but you are saying all Catholics are inherently child molesters, how is it different? I am calling for a unanimous agreement that every religious/cultural/ethnic group be respected equally... either with the same respect or disrespect, whatever is decided.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

That was only Max saying all Muslims were inherently evil.

Yeah but you are saying all Catholics are inherently child molesters, how is it different? I am calling for a unanimous agreement that every religious/cultural/ethnic group be respected equally... either with the same respect or disrespect, whatever is decided.