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Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm

Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
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Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
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Detroit wrote:
Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
But chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.

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Detroit wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:03 pm
Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
Airboat Michaelangelo.

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Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:09 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:03 pm

The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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troyguitar wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:06 pm
Detroit wrote: The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
But chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.
Comrade.
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My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Detroit wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:12 pm
Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:09 pm


Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:26 pm

Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:19 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:12 pm

I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.

Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
True...but the same thing could happen if you try to enforce bribes.
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.

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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:27 pm

Detroit wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:26 pm
Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:19 pm


If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
True...but the same thing could happen if you try to enforce bribes.
It's worth a shot :doe:
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Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
Getting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.

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KYGTIGuy wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:41 am
Melon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs

Term limits on Congress

Get rid of Gerrymandering

These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
Getting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.
At least one of the Koch brothers kicked the bucket.

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:15 pm

^ Very sad state of affairs....... Our safety, both physical and financial, has been compromised in the name of bolstering the bottom line for the 1% ......
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What do you say to the god of death?

Not today...

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