That’s why it is the ultimate gateway drug. It is very mild compared to the other stuff but it creates the slippery slope and clearly follows patterns of addiction.
At the end of the day it really depends on the person. After all there are functioning heroin addicts but I would probably stay away from it if you’re noticing downsides.
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“I can quit whenever I want bro.”max225 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:05 am That’s why it is the ultimate gateway drug. It is very mild compared to the other stuff but it creates the slippery slope and clearly follows patterns of addiction.
At the end of the day it really depends on the person. After all there are functioning heroin addicts but I would probably stay away from it if you’re noticing downsides.
- people that likely can’t quit whenever they want.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
5/7 post/story.wap wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:49 pmfor sure.D Griff wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:18 pm
I just can’t see how this makes you a failure at all. You successfully planned your life to make things work. You got out of a toxic environment that was bad for you and your family. You’re a smart dude and you’ll land somewhere better.
Sorry you’re feeling bummed out, but Irish is right, you’re a good husband, friend, dude and more than whatever cog you were at Stellancuck. I hope you can enjoy focusing on other outlets like boat porn, Pinshit, cycling, or whatever makes you happy. The career thing will work out.
@Irish same thing for you. Sorry about the biz but you’re an awesome dude and dad, shit will work out. Silver lining is we’re glad you’re back here on DFD.
ALSO,
Dear DetroitPlac,
You are so far from a failure I can't even. I don't think I ever told you guys this story, and I'll just tell the basics here, but WAAAY back in the late 80's I was in a toxic, old-school industry job. You think automotive is an old dinosaur of an industry, try railroading. It's almost 100 years OLDER of an industry than automotive! And the corporate mind set reflected that. I was young, smart, non-conventional in my thinking, and felt underappreciated and not respected. I was a market manager, responsible for the movement of specific commodities within our 9,000 mile track system. I handled over 25.000 carloads and $9 million in annual business, and I was vastly underpaid compared to my peers, because I was only in my 20's. When I mentioned this in a review, they responded by raising my grade level, but not my pay, so I was now being paid way under the minimum for my grade level. Anyway, for reasons not important here, the company wanted to reduce payroll so they offered buyouts with the hope of putting older, higher paid employees out to pasture to replace them with younger, cheaper ones, ie, people like ME. To everyone's surprise, I put in for the buyout, which was 6n month's salary in a lump sum. I wasn't making much then, about $32k, but I leapt at it. It took them a few days to ok it but they finally did and I NEVER looked back. And unlike you I didn't have any job prospects lined up. In fact, I quit at the very beginning of what would turn out to be a recession. I spent the next several months remodeling our attic and looking at job ads in the local newspapers, which was about the only way to find a job back then, besides networking, which I also did. I got a couple of offers in the same industry but turned them down because I wanted to escape. Eventually, I landed a job with the company I'm still with to this day.
The point I'm trying (poorly) to make is, you shouldn't have any ragerts or second thoughts or think any less of yourself for the decision you grabbed by the and made for all the right reasons. I knew at the time that I made the right decision and I was in a much lesser position than you are now. Like yours, it was not the decision of a failure. You did the right thing and are a winner for doing so.
One bit of advice I'd give, that helped me mentally, is stay busy. I made it a point to go to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time every morning to start work on the attic. It kept my mind in the game, so to speak. I know you have plenty of lined up so you should be good there.
TL;DNR I kinda did what you did a few hundred years ago, for similar reasons, and it worked out great for me, and you're no more a failure now than I was then.
FWIW
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POTD.
I have used weed like once every week or two for years and never really want/“need” more.
But it definitely can be and is an addictive drug for many. I have had many friends who we everyday users, certainly get to work and make a living but generally it seems like they’re generally in a haze and it’s not really healthy.
But it definitely can be and is an addictive drug for many. I have had many friends who we everyday users, certainly get to work and make a living but generally it seems like they’re generally in a haze and it’s not really healthy.
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Weekly is fine, and I'll probably end up going that route after the job hunt. I still enjoy it, but it's easy to make a habit. Daily use like I got into isn't great and really creates the spiral. Everything in moderation.D Griff wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:37 pm I have used weed like once every week or two for years and never really want/“need” more.
But it definitely can be and is an addictive drug for many. I have had many friends who we everyday users, certainly get to work and make a living but generally it seems like they’re generally in a haze and it’s not really healthy.
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I don't get the gateway thing. I have zero interest in anything other than cannabis.max225 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:05 am That’s why it is the ultimate gateway drug. It is very mild compared to the other stuff but it creates the slippery slope and clearly follows patterns of addiction.
At the end of the day it really depends on the person. After all there are functioning heroin addicts but I would probably stay away from it if you’re noticing downsides.
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Exactly there are those who drink the occasional beer and those who drink the everyday 5th. But as mentioned I think the side effects of weed are downplayed by many because for some reason the “marketing” of weed as a wonder drug has really taken off lately in order to get it legalized.D Griff wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:37 pm I have used weed like once every week or two for years and never really want/“need” more.
But it definitely can be and is an addictive drug for many. I have had many friends who we everyday users, certainly get to work and make a living but generally it seems like they’re generally in a haze and it’s not really healthy.
Guess what world… alcohol is a great disinfectant, pain killer, germ killer, fever reducer etc.
But it’s still a drug.
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It’s a gateway to addiction. Not necessarily other drugs.Detroit wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:43 pmI don't get the gateway thing. I have zero interest in anything other than cannabis.max225 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:05 am That’s why it is the ultimate gateway drug. It is very mild compared to the other stuff but it creates the slippery slope and clearly follows patterns of addiction.
At the end of the day it really depends on the person. After all there are functioning heroin addicts but I would probably stay away from it if you’re noticing downsides.
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Oh, that I absolutely agree with. And I didn't realize it until I stopped.
The thing is, it was easy to stop for me. The sleep issues are the only thing. My life has actually improved without it. Zero "cravings" or whatever "need to get high" feeling. Once the sleep goes back to normal, I'll be fine. It's not like that with alcohol or other drugs.
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Weird. I’ve never had the bad dreams when I’ve quit smoking, which I’ve done a few times for new jobs.. I hear what you’re saying about the rest of it though. I try to only do it right before bed otherwise it becomes more difficult to resist the urge to binge eat.
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Did you use daily when you quit? I did, and I'm reading that's when it's worst. Even then, not everyone deals with it.SAWCE wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:23 pm Weird. I’ve never had the bad dreams when I’ve quit smoking, which I’ve done a few times for new jobs.. I hear what you’re saying about the rest of it though. I try to only do it right before bed otherwise it becomes more difficult to resist the urge to binge eat.
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There's an element of addiction to the drug itself, but more that it becomes a habit where you want to be high more frequently or need to be high to go to sleep. That part was easy for me to break, but I can see it happening to people.
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Near daily, if not actually daily. I sleep so much better on it that it’s rare I go a night without it unless I’m prepping for a drug test.Detroit wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:18 pmDid you use daily when you quit? I did, and I'm reading that's when it's worst. Even then, not everyone deals with it.SAWCE wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:23 pm Weird. I’ve never had the bad dreams when I’ve quit smoking, which I’ve done a few times for new jobs.. I hear what you’re saying about the rest of it though. I try to only do it right before bed otherwise it becomes more difficult to resist the urge to binge eat.
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It's actually really good for sleep. Gets you more deep sleep that lasts longer. If you can manage to use it only for that with getting high only occasionally, that's the way to do it
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I guess it depends on the individual, I normally stay up way too late while high over analyzing things in my head once I’m out I do sleep well on it though.
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See, it depends on the person. My brain never shuts off analyzing anything and everything, pot is an escape from that. It feels so nice to have a break.
I'm hoping that increased exercise (which I want to do more now that I'm not using cannabis) will help with the brain shit. Also going to start journaling I think. Maybe a blog so people can at my thoughts. Maybe just a thread here.
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Will pickup whatever you want to throw down.Detroit wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:21 pmSee, it depends on the person. My brain never shuts off analyzing anything and everything, pot is an escape from that. It feels so nice to have a break.
I'm hoping that increased exercise (which I want to do more now that I'm not using cannabis) will help with the brain shit. Also going to start journaling I think. Maybe a blog so people can at my thoughts. Maybe just a thread here.
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Yeah the nights that I don’t smoke my deep and REM sleep is significantly lower than the nights I do.
Not a fair comparison since I’m used to smoking basically nightly, though.. I’d need to take a month or two off, and the track that sleep once I’m used to sleeping without it.
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Good choices for sleeping.
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D Griff wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:24 pm5/7 post/story.wap wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:49 pm
for sure.
ALSO,
Dear DetroitPlac,
You are so far from a failure I can't even. I don't think I ever told you guys this story, and I'll just tell the basics here, but WAAAY back in the late 80's I was in a toxic, old-school industry job. You think automotive is an old dinosaur of an industry, try railroading. It's almost 100 years OLDER of an industry than automotive! And the corporate mind set reflected that. I was young, smart, non-conventional in my thinking, and felt underappreciated and not respected. I was a market manager, responsible for the movement of specific commodities within our 9,000 mile track system. I handled over 25.000 carloads and $9 million in annual business, and I was vastly underpaid compared to my peers, because I was only in my 20's. When I mentioned this in a review, they responded by raising my grade level, but not my pay, so I was now being paid way under the minimum for my grade level. Anyway, for reasons not important here, the company wanted to reduce payroll so they offered buyouts with the hope of putting older, higher paid employees out to pasture to replace them with younger, cheaper ones, ie, people like ME. To everyone's surprise, I put in for the buyout, which was 6n month's salary in a lump sum. I wasn't making much then, about $32k, but I leapt at it. It took them a few days to ok it but they finally did and I NEVER looked back. And unlike you I didn't have any job prospects lined up. In fact, I quit at the very beginning of what would turn out to be a recession. I spent the next several months remodeling our attic and looking at job ads in the local newspapers, which was about the only way to find a job back then, besides networking, which I also did. I got a couple of offers in the same industry but turned them down because I wanted to escape. Eventually, I landed a job with the company I'm still with to this day.
The point I'm trying (poorly) to make is, you shouldn't have any ragerts or second thoughts or think any less of yourself for the decision you grabbed by the and made for all the right reasons. I knew at the time that I made the right decision and I was in a much lesser position than you are now. Like yours, it was not the decision of a failure. You did the right thing and are a winner for doing so.
One bit of advice I'd give, that helped me mentally, is stay busy. I made it a point to go to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time every morning to start work on the attic. It kept my mind in the game, so to speak. I know you have plenty of lined up so you should be good there.
TL;DNR I kinda did what you did a few hundred years ago, for similar reasons, and it worked out great for me, and you're no more a failure now than I was then.
FWIW
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POTD.