The main cost is not in adding zones, that part is cheap, a few hundred bucks per zone. The cost is in changing to a multi-stage compressor and multi-speed fan. Otherwise the only way to use zones is to effectively dump some conditioned air to outside in order to control distribution.Detroit wrote:I actually think zoned HVAC in a small house makes more sense because it should be easier to retrofit, and it really maximizes efficiency. I'd love to figure it out on our 1,500 sq ft house, personally.
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Depending on cost/efficiency, would that be so bad?troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:45 pmThe main cost is not in adding zones, that part is cheap, a few hundred bucks per zone. The cost is in changing to a multi-stage compressor and multi-speed fan. Otherwise the only way to use zones is to effectively dump some conditioned air to outside in order to control distribution.Detroit wrote:I actually think zoned HVAC in a small house makes more sense because it should be easier to retrofit, and it really maximizes efficiency. I'd love to figure it out on our 1,500 sq ft house, personally.
I'm going to run a duct for the water heater to vent outside in the winter when I don't want the lower level cooled.
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For your location/use it might be fine, I can't imagine it would be worthwhile down hereDetroit wrote:Depending on cost/efficiency, would that be so bad?troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:45 pm The main cost is not in adding zones, that part is cheap, a few hundred bucks per zone. The cost is in changing to a multi-stage compressor and multi-speed fan. Otherwise the only way to use zones is to effectively dump some conditioned air to outside in order to control distribution.
I'm going to run a duct for the water heater to vent outside in the winter when I don't want the lower level cooled.
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You were uncomfortable in NY and now bitching about florida. I think the issue is quite clear. And getting multi zone temps in a tiny house is bizarre to me yep.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:16 pmYes, Max, I'm a fucking dumbass loser who has trouble sleeping in heat yet married a woman who can't work in cold and we're so stupid we can't even afford a mansion. Guess we should suck it up and be uncomfortable to make you happy?max225 wrote:
So you'll have multi zone AC in a sub 1k sq foot house ?
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We must perceive temperatures differently. My body heats up my office from 65-75F during the morning's and it's but all I need to do is pop the door open for 10 min and it goes back to 70. Yes I'd love every room to be a different temp also and have variable AC crap or whatever but it seems like it's something meant for the rich and the famous. And not those with mortgages.Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:34 pmIt doesn't work that way. Even open doorways don't let as much heat transfer as you'd think. We ran into that issue at our last house. We on the mini splits and didn't put one in one room thinking we'd leave the door open all the time and the other room units would compensate. Wrong, that room was always hotter or colder than the others.
Fortunately my office naturally gets warmer (small room with open curtains and me + computer/network gear and stuff running). I prefer it to be warm when I'm just sitting all day. If I get too hot, I just use a box fan like a poor to avoid cooling down the whole house for just my 8'x8' office. My power bill is always sub $80 12 months per year. I can see where zones would be , definitely frustrates me to turn on the heat/AC during the day just for me sitting in my tiny room.
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I had to borrow my friends e250. I got to work about five and a half hours late, and then also had to tell my boss that I accepted a new job offer
I'm sure... bunch of shit bags filled up milk cartons and stuff the past two days while "shit was hitting the fan" and I'm convinced that's the only reason everywhere ran out. If people just left well enough alone, those who needed gas would still have plenty to buy. I didn't fill up our cars because a. fuck waiting in line to pay 1.5X prices and b. leave it for those who need it like Cale. I don't have to go to work, my wife does but it's six miles from here.
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I mean. I would LOVE to be able to use my own fucking car
My boss was actually very cool about it, and said he was expecting me to find a different job since the beginning. He told me I can work two weeks or just finish the current job etc.
Where's Desertbreh? My brother just took a job at Edwards AF base in CA and I have no idea if that area is a shit hole or not.
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We had a 3 zone programmable heating system in 1100 sq ft in NY, plus effectively a 4th zone using a space heater.max225 wrote:You were uncomfortable in NY and now bitching about florida. I think the issue is quite clear. And getting multi zone temps in a tiny house is bizarre to me yep.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:16 pm Yes, Max, I'm a fucking dumbass loser who has trouble sleeping in heat yet married a woman who can't work in cold and we're so stupid we can't even afford a mansion. Guess we should suck it up and be uncomfortable to make you happy?
In KY we had 2 or 3 programmable heat/ac zones set up too in 1700 sq ft.
We're sensitive delicate flowers.
This is 21st century America and we're not poor. We can't afford kids or pets or vacations or new cars or a giant house like you, but we can damn well spend an extra $100 a month on being comfortable in our own fucking home. We have enough beans for that.
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Yea that area is no bueno...CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pmI mean. I would LOVE to be able to use my own fucking car
My boss was actually very cool about it, and said he was expecting me to find a different job since the beginning. He told me I can work two weeks or just finish the current job etc.
Where's Desertbreh? My brother just took a job at Edwards AF base in CA and I have no idea if that area is a shit hole or not.
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Heat is pretty easy with space heaters my dysons make things quite simple. And there are great options for $50-150 that are quite nice.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:23 pmWe had a 3 zone programmable heating system in 1100 sq ft in NY, plus effectively a 4th zone using a space heater.max225 wrote:
You were uncomfortable in NY and now bitching about florida. I think the issue is quite clear. And getting multi zone temps in a tiny house is bizarre to me yep.
In KY we had 2 or 3 programmable heat/ac zones set up too in 1700 sq ft.
We're sensitive delicate flowers.
This is 21st century America and we're not poor. We can't afford kids or pets or vacations or new cars or a giant house like you, but we can damn well spend an extra $100 a month on being comfortable in our own fucking home. We have enough beans for that.
Cooling individual rooms seems far more complicated.
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Damn... the last 18 months are just nuts. What’s going to be the next fucking shortageD Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:51 pmI'm sure... bunch of shit bags filled up milk cartons and stuff the past two days while "shit was hitting the fan" and I'm convinced that's the only reason everywhere ran out. If people just left well enough alone, those who needed gas would still have plenty to buy. I didn't fill up our cars because a. fuck waiting in line to pay 1.5X prices and b. leave it for those who need it like Cale. I don't have to go to work, my wife does but it's six miles from here.
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It doesn't have to be, but to do it right certainly can be more complicated.max225 wrote:Heat is pretty easy with space heaters my dysons make things quite simple. And there are great options for $50-150 that are quite nice.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:23 pm We had a 3 zone programmable heating system in 1100 sq ft in NY, plus effectively a 4th zone using a space heater.
In KY we had 2 or 3 programmable heat/ac zones set up too in 1700 sq ft.
We're sensitive delicate flowers.
This is 21st century America and we're not poor. We can't afford kids or pets or vacations or new cars or a giant house like you, but we can damn well spend an extra $100 a month on being comfortable in our own fucking home. We have enough beans for that.
Cooling individual rooms seems far more complicated.
It might not have been clear, but we're not doing anything short term until we decide whether we're down with staying in this house long term. At that point, it becomes worthwhile to invest in a more efficient AC system even if it's single zone - and (only) then it becomes worthwhile to make it multi-zone. The additional cost "while you're in there" is pretty much negligible.
Without real world numbers, it's around a 10 year break even point. Adding solar into the equation complicates it even further because in a way there's more benefit to solar if you use more electricity... So what is the most cost effective long term combo, I need to do the on all of it.
I do know, though, that going with all of the AC and solar stuff is the most comfortable and efficient long term solution as far as energy use goes - so we might anyway even if it costs slightly more than the cheapest option. Good ole libtard treehugger logic.
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I did major with Solar out here..troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:44 pmIt doesn't have to be, but to do it right certainly can be more complicated.max225 wrote:
Heat is pretty easy with space heaters my dysons make things quite simple. And there are great options for $50-150 that are quite nice.
Cooling individual rooms seems far more complicated.
It might not have been clear, but we're not doing anything short term until we decide whether we're down with staying in this house long term. At that point, it becomes worthwhile to invest in a more efficient AC system even if it's single zone - and (only) then it becomes worthwhile to make it multi-zone. The additional cost "while you're in there" is pretty much negligible.
Without real world numbers, it's around a 10 year break even point. Adding solar into the equation complicates it even further because in a way there's more benefit to solar if you use more electricity... So what is the most cost effective long term combo, I need to do the on all of it.
I do know, though, that going with all of the AC and solar stuff is the most comfortable and efficient long term solution as far as energy use goes - so we might anyway even if it costs slightly more than the cheapest option. Good ole libtard treehugger logic.
What are your actual "all in" electricity costs per KWH? Even at 30 cents per kWh in off peak and 50 cents peak it is only viable for us if we got an electric car to offset some of the gasoline expenses also. We really gotta use about 20-30kwh per day to make things viable.
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Yeah that's one of the many things I don't know yet, we have only had one partial month electric bill so far which makes it look like our per kWh costs are high but it doesn't reflect reality. The constantly changing local/state/federal incentives for solar stuff also make it a complicated problem. It's likely that our cheapest option will be to do nothing because the house is small.max225 wrote:I did major with Solar out here..troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:44 pm It doesn't have to be, but to do it right certainly can be more complicated.
It might not have been clear, but we're not doing anything short term until we decide whether we're down with staying in this house long term. At that point, it becomes worthwhile to invest in a more efficient AC system even if it's single zone - and (only) then it becomes worthwhile to make it multi-zone. The additional cost "while you're in there" is pretty much negligible.
Without real world numbers, it's around a 10 year break even point. Adding solar into the equation complicates it even further because in a way there's more benefit to solar if you use more electricity... So what is the most cost effective long term combo, I need to do the on all of it.
I do know, though, that going with all of the AC and solar stuff is the most comfortable and efficient long term solution as far as energy use goes - so we might anyway even if it costs slightly more than the cheapest option. Good ole libtard treehugger logic.
What are your actual "all in" electricity costs per KWH? Even at 30 cents per kWh in off peak and 50 cents peak it is only viable for us if we got an electric car to offset some of the gasoline expenses also. We really gotta use about 20-30kwh per day to make things viable.
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$80-90k/yr should be enough to live though?max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:31 pmYea that area is no bueno...CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm
I mean. I would LOVE to be able to use my own fucking car
My boss was actually very cool about it, and said he was expecting me to find a different job since the beginning. He told me I can work two weeks or just finish the current job etc.
Where's Desertbreh? My brother just took a job at Edwards AF base in CA and I have no idea if that area is a shit hole or not.
Not a great area but I hope he can stick it out a bit in the Chair force for the gubint bennies
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Watch the movie "The Right Stuff." Max seems to fascinated by the high desert............and it's interesting enough but living there is a NO unless your job is to fly Mach 2 every day.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pmI mean. I would LOVE to be able to use my own fucking car
My boss was actually very cool about it, and said he was expecting me to find a different job since the beginning. He told me I can work two weeks or just finish the current job etc.
Where's Desertbreh? My brother just took a job at Edwards AF base in CA and I have no idea if that area is a shit hole or not.
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He's being brought on as an engineer for some bomber program. It's his first internship/job offer ever so he took it.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:37 pmWatch the movie "The Right Stuff." Max seems to fascinated by the high desert............and it's interesting enough but living there is a NO unless your job is to fly Mach 2 every day.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm
I mean. I would LOVE to be able to use my own fucking car
My boss was actually very cool about it, and said he was expecting me to find a different job since the beginning. He told me I can work two weeks or just finish the current job etc.
Where's Desertbreh? My brother just took a job at Edwards AF base in CA and I have no idea if that area is a shit hole or not.
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He's single?CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:41 pmHe's being brought on as an engineer for some bomber program. It's his first internship/job offer ever so he took it.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:37 pm
Watch the movie "The Right Stuff." Max seems to fascinated by the high desert............and it's interesting enough but living there is a NO unless your job is to fly Mach 2 every day.
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Yes. He's a recent ERAU Aerospace Engineering grad.