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wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:26 pm
Detroit wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:21 pm
Oh man, GR is a close drive for you and certainly worth the trip! Downtown is really nice with a lot of cool stuff going on. The meijer gardens outside of the city is a massive sculpture garden that's fun to get lost in for an afternoon. It's a 5/7 region.

I haven't been to WI much at all, but just yesterday we were talking about a trip. Either through the UP or take the ferry from Ludington to Manitowoc.
We have friends in Trenton. We've met up with them in Cleveland (an underrated city, IMO) before. Sounds like we need to plan a :meat: up with them in GR post covid.

Oh man, either of those trips sound 5/7, especially the ferry. I believe it's the last coal-fired ferry still running on the Great Lakes so you should hop a ride before it goes away. Manitowoc is a :neat: town with some excellent B&B's and an interesting maritime museum (they built submarines there during WWII) if that's your thing. It's also a relatively short drive down the coast to Kohler, the bathroom fittings and faucets company, who have a :waxer: spa in town. We've talked about spending a weekend there but haven't gotten around to it.
GR is probably a halfway point for both of you, check it out!

I didn't realize there was so much in manitowoc and the surrounding area. I love maritime stuff, would be great to check that out. Building subs there in WWII is :mindblown:
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Likely the ONLY thing (marginally) worth doing in the entire state.
I have friends who attend the Indy 500 on the reg.
See Coogles' comment above.
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coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:34 pm

:nope:

If you're coming to Indiana and want to do one thing, it's visit Brown County Sate Park.
Go on.
Google? It's a stunning place, has some of the best MTB trails in the country (yes), and has some solid breweries, distilleries, and a couple cool little towns with some decent kitchy shit and restaurants to check out.

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I have friends who attend the Indy 500 on the reg.
See Coogles' comment above.
Some people are super into the 500 - I just don't get it. I went once, partied my face off in the infield, got :drunk: AF and still left thinking I don't ever care to go back. Haven't been since 2009, I believe it was.
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coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:34 pm
wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:31 pm

Likely the ONLY thing (marginally) worth doing in the entire state.
:nope:

If you're coming to Indiana and want to do one thing, it's visit Brown County Sate Park.
I have heard this from many people. Would love to mtb down there
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wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:38 pm
coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:34 pm

:nope:

If you're coming to Indiana and want to do one thing, it's visit Brown County Sate Park.
I sit corrected.
:iono: Notre Dame games are fine I guess, but I didn't find the atmosphere any different than the Purdue or IU games I've gone to. Tailgating is tailgating. Plus Bloomington >>>>> South Bend
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We have friends in Trenton. We've met up with them in Cleveland (an underrated city, IMO) before. Sounds like we need to plan a :meat: up with them in GR post covid.

Oh man, either of those trips sound 5/7, especially the ferry. I believe it's the last coal-fired ferry still running on the Great Lakes so you should hop a ride before it goes away. Manitowoc is a :neat: town with some excellent B&B's and an interesting maritime museum (they built submarines there during WWII) if that's your thing. It's also a relatively short drive down the coast to Kohler, the bathroom fittings and faucets company, who have a :waxer: spa in town. We've talked about spending a weekend there but haven't gotten around to it.
GR is probably a halfway point for both of you, check it out!

I didn't realize there was so much in manitowoc and the surrounding area. I love maritime stuff, would be great to check that out. Building subs there in WWII is :mindblown:
They actually have a WWII sub moored there that you can go through. Similar to the U505 at the Museum of Science and Industry here in Chicago, if you've ever visited there.

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Desertbreh wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:37 pm

Go on.
Google? It's a stunning place, has some of the best MTB trails in the country (yes), and has some solid breweries, distilleries, and a couple cool little towns with some decent kitchy shit and restaurants to check out.

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coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm
wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:38 pm

I sit corrected.
:iono: Notre Dame games are fine I guess, but I didn't find the atmosphere any different than the Purdue or IU games I've gone to. Tailgating is tailgating. Plus Bloomington >>>>> South Bend
Agreed.
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coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:42 pm
wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 pm

See Coogles' comment above.
Some people are super into the 500 - I just don't get it. I went once, partied my face off in the infield, got :drunk: AF and still left thinking I don't ever care to go back. Haven't been since 2009, I believe it was.

I did a few F1 races back in the day...One at Pocono and one at Nazereth.....IIRC. The sound at the green flag was :jizz: inspiring..... other than that, super hard to follow on those small tracks..... glad I experienced it, but twice was enough....
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wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm
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GR is probably a halfway point for both of you, check it out!

I didn't realize there was so much in manitowoc and the surrounding area. I love maritime stuff, would be great to check that out. Building subs there in WWII is :mindblown:
They actually have a WWII sub moored there that you can go through. Similar to the U505 at the Museum of Science and Industry here in Chicago, if you've ever visited there.

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5/7 will visit when there!
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wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm
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GR is probably a halfway point for both of you, check it out!

I didn't realize there was so much in manitowoc and the surrounding area. I love maritime stuff, would be great to check that out. Building subs there in WWII is :mindblown:
They actually have a WWII sub moored there that you can go through. Similar to the U505 at the Museum of Science and Industry here in Chicago, if you've ever visited there.

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Very cool

I :member: going on school trips to see the USS Ling, in the Hackensack river.

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What's right about it is the better question.
:dat:

The small towns completely lack charm, there's shit topography except in certain parts of the southern half of the state, and the only real city in the state is a big, sprawling mess that was completely gutted by highways and "urban renewal" following WW2. The southern part of the state is also pretty unlivable because it's filled with people who behave like Indiana fought with the confederacy. There are some decent parts of Indianapolis - I genuinely enjoyed our old neighborhood - but those places are few and far between.
So how did you end up there? I'm from Wichita, Kansas, which, in the 70s and 80s when I grew up there, had nothing to offer other than a matrix of roads to drive your Z28 whilst buzzed on a quart of coke and Bacardi 151, and while improved is hardly going to be up there with Zurich and Venice on the to do list........so I ain't flexing on you.
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Detroit wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:26 pm
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Flat. Boring AF to drive through, with even the farmlands views spoiled with endless billboards and other roadside detritus. The Gary area literally stinks for miles from the steel mills. Your nose will tell you when you've entered NW Indiana before any road sign. Mike Pence was the governor so it's full of :thankstrump: idiots. They have a ... laissez faire attitude about environmental protections around their Lake Michigan coastline with power plants, refineries, and rusty, crumbling infrastructure for miles. Just so much :disgust:

When we drive south, instead of taking the more direct route through Indiana we'll go through Illinois because of the lack of most of the problems I just outlined. The extra 60-90 minutes or so it adds to a trip to the SE is worth it.
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And I've spent a bit of time in Indianapolis... it's ok. Lots of sprawl, boring. The older parts of the city were :neat: but I wouldn't go out of my way to visit. If I'm driving down that far, I'm going to Louisville.
Yeah Indy is decent. It is a good sized city, which in general is OK. That said, there are better cities to visit.

I would love to explore Michigan's UP, someday we will make it up there. It is just a long haul from anywhere, making it a tough trip to tackle, particularly when we have great mountain/coastal towns we can easily drive to from here.

I will second :wap: 's point though, that WI is actually really nice in parts, if the UP is like that, I'd love to spend some time there. Hopefully we can be rich enough to retire and do the US RVing thing one day, that would be 5/7 to me. It's funny as I basically did that for five years as a job and still want to do/see more as I often couldn't get to 'off the beaten path' areas.
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Irish wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:52 pm
wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm

They actually have a WWII sub moored there that you can go through. Similar to the U505 at the Museum of Science and Industry here in Chicago, if you've ever visited there.

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Very cool

I :member: going on school trips to see the USS Ling, in the Hackensack river.

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Also cool.

Our school trips were to the aforementioned U505 in Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry. It is the last enemy naval vessel that was captured by the US Navy on the high seas.
They enclosed it in a new wing of the museum a few years ago.
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Man this thread is delivering today.
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Desertbreh wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:39 pm Man this thread is delivering today.
Been a while.
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Desertbreh wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:54 pm
coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:30 pm

:dat:

The small towns completely lack charm, there's shit topography except in certain parts of the southern half of the state, and the only real city in the state is a big, sprawling mess that was completely gutted by highways and "urban renewal" following WW2. The southern part of the state is also pretty unlivable because it's filled with people who behave like Indiana fought with the confederacy. There are some decent parts of Indianapolis - I genuinely enjoyed our old neighborhood - but those places are few and far between.
So how did you end up there? I'm from Wichita, Kansas, which, in the 70s and 80s when I grew up there, had nothing to offer other than a matrix of roads to drive your Z28 whilst buzzed on a quart of coke and Bacardi 151, and while improved is hardly going to be up there with Zurich and Venice on the to do list........so I ain't flexing on you.
Long series of events and decisions, I guess. My wife and I grew up in Fort Wayne and when we were looking to go to off to college, neither one felt a need to get far, far away. We generally like our families and being around them is really important to us, so we never wanted to go too far. I was planning on going to IU, but senior year my my then-girlfriend took a visit to Butler University and fell in love with the place, so I decided to visit. Turns out, I did too.

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We both ended up going here and, give Butler credit, one thing they are REALLY good at doing is finding their students employment opportunities in Indianapolis. We were both in Greek houses and a lot of our friends stayed here, we both got good jobs in Indy right out of school, and it's only a 90ish minute drive from family. She's had clients of her company try to hire her away to do implementations in-house, one wanted to take her to San Francisco, another to NYC, one to Chicago. I had a former manager try to get me to come work for her in Ann Arbor (meh). But we've always thought it'd bring more negatives than positives to move away from our friends and families. There's enough to do here if you look for it, and we're willing to trade place for company.
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wap wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:40 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:39 pm Man this thread is delivering today.
Been a while.
Submarines and Midwest tourism. 5/7
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Been a while.
Submarines and Midwest tourism. 5/7
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Detroit wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:26 pm
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And I've spent a bit of time in Indianapolis... it's ok. Lots of sprawl, boring. The older parts of the city were :neat: but I wouldn't go out of my way to visit. If I'm driving down that far, I'm going to Louisville.
Yeah Indy is decent. It is a good sized city, which in general is OK. That said, there are better cities to visit.

I would love to explore Michigan's UP, someday we will make it up there. It is just a long haul from anywhere, making it a tough trip to tackle, particularly when we have great mountain/coastal towns we can easily drive to from here.

I will second :wap: 's point though, that WI is actually really nice in parts, if the UP is like that, I'd love to spend some time there. Hopefully we can be rich enough to retire and do the US RVing thing one day, that would be 5/7 to me. It's funny as I basically did that for five years as a job and still want to do/see more as I often couldn't get to 'off the beaten path' areas.
The UP is tough to categorize and tough to justify if driving from far away. It's not so much the scenery up there because it's relatively flat compared to the mountains you're used to, but many of the geographic formations are very unique for the area.

Moreso for me its the atmosphere of the place. People like to be left along but are ridiculously friendly if you ask for help and/stay somewhere. It's not heavily policed, so it's the wild west in the sense that you feel like everything you do is at your own risk and you deal with that... and people have respect for one another to be decent humans because the only people that live or visit there are all like minded.

Lake Superior is a sight to behold, and many of the towns/small cities around it were pretty big over 100 years ago when parts of the UP mined the most copper in the world... in fact under ground, it's one of (maybe THE) largest sources of pure copper in the world...which was a big deal before refining tech advanced.

Then, Copper Harbor, which is at the tip of the keweenaw, and the northern most in the UP, has some :impressive: geography that the local region decided to build world class MTB trails on. Seriously, the most fun I've had on an MTB there. It's just a serious distance to get to.

All along the way, old coastal towns still have charm and old bars that are 100+ years old, operating in the same way they always have. It's a really unique salt of the earth type experience overall. One I recommend, though not sure it's entirely worth the trip from where you are. No real way to fly, so it's a significant drive. You could probably get to Arizona in the same time.
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coogles wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:42 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:54 pm

So how did you end up there? I'm from Wichita, Kansas, which, in the 70s and 80s when I grew up there, had nothing to offer other than a matrix of roads to drive your Z28 whilst buzzed on a quart of coke and Bacardi 151, and while improved is hardly going to be up there with Zurich and Venice on the to do list........so I ain't flexing on you.
Long series of events and decisions, I guess. My wife and I grew up in Fort Wayne and when we were looking to go to off to college, neither one felt a need to get far, far away. We generally like our families and being around them is really important to us, so we never wanted to go too far. I was planning on going to IU, but senior year my my then-girlfriend took a visit to Butler University and fell in love with the place, so I decided to visit. Turns out, I did too.

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We both ended up going here and, give Butler credit, one thing they are REALLY good at doing is finding their students employment opportunities in Indianapolis. We were both in Greek houses and a lot of our friends stayed here, we both got good jobs in Indy right out of school, and it's only a 90ish minute drive from family. She's had clients of her company try to hire her away to do implementations in-house, one wanted to take her to San Francisco, another to NYC, one to Chicago. I had a former manager try to get me to come work for her in Ann Arbor (meh). But we've always thought it'd bring more negatives than positives to move away from our friends and families. There's enough to do here if you look for it, and we're willing to trade place for company.
Thanks for the in depth answer. It is similar to what my friends who live in KC and Wichita would say.
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Yeah Indy is decent. It is a good sized city, which in general is OK. That said, there are better cities to visit.

I would love to explore Michigan's UP, someday we will make it up there. It is just a long haul from anywhere, making it a tough trip to tackle, particularly when we have great mountain/coastal towns we can easily drive to from here.

I will second :wap: 's point though, that WI is actually really nice in parts, if the UP is like that, I'd love to spend some time there. Hopefully we can be rich enough to retire and do the US RVing thing one day, that would be 5/7 to me. It's funny as I basically did that for five years as a job and still want to do/see more as I often couldn't get to 'off the beaten path' areas.
The UP is tough to categorize and tough to justify if driving from far away. It's not so much the scenery up there because it's relatively flat compared to the mountains you're used to, but many of the geographic formations are very unique for the area.

Moreso for me its the atmosphere of the place. People like to be left along but are ridiculously friendly if you ask for help and/stay somewhere. It's not heavily policed, so it's the wild west in the sense that you feel like everything you do is at your own risk and you deal with that... and people have respect for one another to be decent humans because the only people that live or visit there are all like minded.

Lake Superior is a sight to behold, and many of the towns/small cities around it were pretty big over 100 years ago when parts of the UP mined the most copper in the world... in fact under ground, it's one of (maybe THE) largest sources of pure copper in the world...which was a big deal before refining tech advanced.

Then, Copper Harbor, which is at the tip of the keweenaw, and the northern most in the UP, has some :impressive: geography that the local region decided to build world class MTB trails on. Seriously, the most fun I've had on an MTB there. It's just a serious distance to get to.

All along the way, old coastal towns still have charm and old bars that are 100+ years old, operating in the same way they always have. It's a really unique salt of the earth type experience overall. One I recommend, though not sure it's entirely worth the trip from where you are. No real way to fly, so it's a significant drive. You could probably get to Arizona in the same time.
It is. I was staying at a friend's lake cabin in Minnesota and made the drive to Duluth just for the lols. There were tall ships in the harbor.......and the north shore is bad ass. Winter :doe:
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Yeah Indy is decent. It is a good sized city, which in general is OK. That said, there are better cities to visit.

I would love to explore Michigan's UP, someday we will make it up there. It is just a long haul from anywhere, making it a tough trip to tackle, particularly when we have great mountain/coastal towns we can easily drive to from here.

I will second :wap: 's point though, that WI is actually really nice in parts, if the UP is like that, I'd love to spend some time there. Hopefully we can be rich enough to retire and do the US RVing thing one day, that would be 5/7 to me. It's funny as I basically did that for five years as a job and still want to do/see more as I often couldn't get to 'off the beaten path' areas.
The UP is tough to categorize and tough to justify if driving from far away. It's not so much the scenery up there because it's relatively flat compared to the mountains you're used to, but many of the geographic formations are very unique for the area.

Moreso for me its the atmosphere of the place. People like to be left along but are ridiculously friendly if you ask for help and/stay somewhere. It's not heavily policed, so it's the wild west in the sense that you feel like everything you do is at your own risk and you deal with that... and people have respect for one another to be decent humans because the only people that live or visit there are all like minded.

Lake Superior is a sight to behold, and many of the towns/small cities around it were pretty big over 100 years ago when parts of the UP mined the most copper in the world... in fact under ground, it's one of (maybe THE) largest sources of pure copper in the world...which was a big deal before refining tech advanced.

Then, Copper Harbor, which is at the tip of the keweenaw, and the northern most in the UP, has some :impressive: geography that the local region decided to build world class MTB trails on. Seriously, the most fun I've had on an MTB there. It's just a serious distance to get to.

All along the way, old coastal towns still have charm and old bars that are 100+ years old, operating in the same way they always have. It's a really unique salt of the earth type experience overall. One I recommend, though not sure it's entirely worth the trip from where you are. No real way to fly, so it's a significant drive. You could probably get to Arizona in the same time.
I will make it up one day :wub:
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D Griff wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:48 pm
Detroit wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:48 pm
The UP is tough to categorize and tough to justify if driving from far away. It's not so much the scenery up there because it's relatively flat compared to the mountains you're used to, but many of the geographic formations are very unique for the area.

Moreso for me its the atmosphere of the place. People like to be left along but are ridiculously friendly if you ask for help and/stay somewhere. It's not heavily policed, so it's the wild west in the sense that you feel like everything you do is at your own risk and you deal with that... and people have respect for one another to be decent humans because the only people that live or visit there are all like minded.

Lake Superior is a sight to behold, and many of the towns/small cities around it were pretty big over 100 years ago when parts of the UP mined the most copper in the world... in fact under ground, it's one of (maybe THE) largest sources of pure copper in the world...which was a big deal before refining tech advanced.

Then, Copper Harbor, which is at the tip of the keweenaw, and the northern most in the UP, has some :impressive: geography that the local region decided to build world class MTB trails on. Seriously, the most fun I've had on an MTB there. It's just a serious distance to get to.

All along the way, old coastal towns still have charm and old bars that are 100+ years old, operating in the same way they always have. It's a really unique salt of the earth type experience overall. One I recommend, though not sure it's entirely worth the trip from where you are. No real way to fly, so it's a significant drive. You could probably get to Arizona in the same time.
I will make it up one day :wub:
:dat:

We did the SS Badger from Ludington to Manitowac, but we didn't make it any farther north than that sadly. Marquette and Copper Harbor are supposed to have some ridiculously good MTBing, and Sturgeon Bay is on the list too.
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