OT 17: WELCOME TO THE CORONADOME!

[D Griff]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

[Apex]

5/7 thread title change.

You're for liking things

Too much sunshine and rainbows for this place.

[Apex]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

[CorvetteWaxer]

I've been saying this has been coming for 2 years now. Gas is cheap, we've swung back to and and :herewego:

Downturn has been on the horizon for a while...in fact I'm surprised it's taken this long. It's partially due to forcing sales (incentives, over production, etc)...but everyone should have seen this coming and planned for it.

But no, it's better to bury your head in the sand and just wait for your body to be blown away by

At this point, I just hope the industry survives long enough to see all the olds pushed out.

Don't look now, but you're officially an "old".

Plus, the industry needs the old guys to stick around. They have the experience and the younger guys will just screw up everything they've worked for and planned for, forever.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Downturn has been on the horizon for a while...in fact I'm surprised it's taken this long. It's partially due to forcing sales (incentives, over production, etc)...but everyone should have seen this coming and planned for it.

But no, it's better to bury your head in the sand and just wait for your body to be blown away by

At this point, I just hope the industry survives long enough to see all the olds pushed out.

I don't see how anything other than this is possible? How in the world could the car industry go away?

Even autonomous pods would still have to be manufactured and sold. Those are extremely far off anyway.

I should have said "the industry as we know it". The way things are going, this next downturn will likely thin the heard significantly. Vehicles are already getting more and more commoditized, and with all of these different brands struggling for attention, there will be blood.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the emergence of a few massive "mobility" conglomerates that take the industry forward while all the smaller brands are either absorbed or dissolved. The start is the PSA/FCA merger. Next, I bet Nissan/Renault/Mistubishi will take their "alliance" closer to a merger...and it wouldn't surprise me if they (they new PSAFCA or Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi) manage to eat up someone like Mazda or Subaru. I wouldn't be shocked to see Ford and VW merge since they have a number of alliances, and when that happens it could force BMW, MB, and the Tata group (Jag, Land Rover) so start talking about "synergies".

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Downturn has been on the horizon for a while...in fact I'm surprised it's taken this long. It's partially due to forcing sales (incentives, over production, etc)...but everyone should have seen this coming and planned for it.

But no, it's better to bury your head in the sand and just wait for your body to be blown away by

At this point, I just hope the industry survives long enough to see all the olds pushed out.

Don't look now, but you're officially an "old".

Plus, the industry needs the old guys to stick around. They have the experience and the younger guys will just screw up everything they've worked for and planned for, forever.

It all depends. The people that positively contribute with years of experience are valued. But there's too many still around that have been beaten down too much to add any real value. Just a bunch of "we've always done it this way" and people who thrive off politics and worthless corp garbage.

I am bordering on old I've noticed young people work quite differently from me.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

Dang, that's awesome!

I did this once for someone. We left an old desk on the curb, and a lady and her daughter stopped to look at it. Her daughter was all excited to get it in her room, and they were trying to maneuver it into a Sonic hatchback when I came out and mentioned that they might want a different vehicle and I'd gladly hold it for them if they wanted. She said "oh, we just live a street over, we'll be fine if it hangs way out". My truck was parked right there in the driveway, so I offered to take it over for them. They were so appreciative, and it took me MAYBE 10 minutes total out of my day. Felt good.

[dubshow]

Turns out we also get free lunch all week and next, today is Chinese.

[goIftdibrad]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

that's awesome

[Melon]

Speaking of uplifting stories.

I was working on the E30 when my neighbor came over, he had a stripped lug nut and couldn't get it off.
I went over with my sockets, impact and a hammer. Hammered a socket on, spun that bitch right off.

[Apex]

Speaking of uplifting stories.

I was working on the E30 when my neighbor came over, he had a stripped lug nut and couldn't get it off.
I went over with my sockets, impact and a hammer. Hammered a socket on, spun that bitch right off.

[wap]

Turns out we also get free lunch all week and next, today is Chinese.

5/7

[D Griff]

[wap]

I've been saying this has been coming for 2 years now. Gas is cheap, we've swung back to and and :herewego:

Downturn has been on the horizon for a while...in fact I'm surprised it's taken this long. It's partially due to forcing sales (incentives, over production, etc)...but everyone should have seen this coming and planned for it.

But no, it's better to bury your head in the sand and just wait for your body to be blown away by

At this point, I just hope the industry survives long enough to see all the olds pushed out.

[wap]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

Cool neighbors are 5/7

[wap]

You're for liking things

Too much sunshine and rainbows for this place.

with that shit

[Apex]

Too much sunshine and rainbows for this place.

with that shit

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Downturn has been on the horizon for a while...in fact I'm surprised it's taken this long. It's partially due to forcing sales (incentives, over production, etc)...but everyone should have seen this coming and planned for it.

But no, it's better to bury your head in the sand and just wait for your body to be blown away by

At this point, I just hope the industry survives long enough to see all the olds pushed out.

This industry is so reactive it's retarded.

It really is, and I find it super But it's somewhat necessary due in large part to the highly capital intensive nature of the business. I'm trying to influence decisiveness however I can, but it's immensely challenging with so many people that prefer the wait and see approach.

[Johnny_P]

Probably won't make you feel any better, but this is industry wide right now. Full blown everywhere. I'm really glad that I'm far from the sales side in my current role.

What's the most is that everyone knows the car biz is cyclical, yet when the cycle starts to turn down, everyone loses it.

I've been saying this has been coming for 2 years now. Gas is cheap, we've swung back to and and :herewego:

Stuff got really expensive. How much does a CX5 lease for now? They aren’t exactly cheap.

[D Griff]

Because ... I'll share a positive story.

I borrowed a leaf blower from a friend who lives near my new house yesterday. As I was driving back to my place, I saw a little rolling cabinet on casters on the side of the road. It has a stainless top, so I'm like, free work bench for the new carport/shed. I pull over and the homeowner comes out, he's a dudebro about my age, and offers to come help me load it. It becomes apparent it won't fit in the 328i and he' asks if I live close. I say right up the road and he's like, let me get my truck out and I'll take it over for you. He pulls a mint '84 Silverado out from around back and drives the thing over to my house for me. The was bought new by his grandpa in 1984.

5/7 experience.

in4pics

Oh what, the work bench thing?

It's nothing special, a cabinet on casters with a stainless top. I think it's actually meant to be a sort of floating kitchen island, but whatever. I'm all about recycling/not buying new shit currently. is also a benefit. I will likely still get some kind of rolling tool cabinet as well

[D Griff]

I've been saying this has been coming for 2 years now. Gas is cheap, we've swung back to and and :herewego:

Stuff got really expensive. How much does a CX5 lease for now? They aren’t exactly cheap.

Last I was comparing some things adjusted for inflation, compact cars and sporty cars are actually cheaper now than in the 1990s.

[Apex]

Stuff got really expensive. How much does a CX5 lease for now? They aren’t exactly cheap.

Last I was comparing some things adjusted for inflation, compact cars and sporty cars are actually cheaper now than in the 1990s.

I think my 968 stickered for something like $45k in 1992.

[troyguitar]

Depends on what you are using as a reference. Tons and tons of people have been left behind by the "recovery" in the past 10 years. Only around 30 million Americans have "good jobs" with solid incomes and benefits today and ~half of employed Americans are straight up poor.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wa ... wage-jobs/#

[D Griff]

Depends on what you are using as a reference. Tons and tons of people have been left behind by the "recovery" in the past 10 years. Only around 30 million Americans have "good jobs" with solid incomes and benefits today and ~half of employed Americans are straight up poor.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wa ... wage-jobs/#

Yeah I guess it depends on if you're measuring inflation by the cost of goods/services or by wages. The former certainly seems to be outpacing in most cases.

[D Griff]

It looks like adjusted for inflation my C5 would be $65K today... so I guess pretty comparable.