Is it even possible to be completely "open-minded"?

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So the answer is no
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You basically have to hide your reactions, you're going to react internally, you just have to hide it externally better.

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KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:59 am So the answer is no
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Sorry dude, nice try, but looks like you're still not poking that brown eye.
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troyguitar wrote: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:24 pm The only way to be entirely open-minded is to have no thoughts at all.
http://www.zen-buddhism.net/zen-concepts/mushin.html
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Mushin is at the core of Zen and Japanese martial arts. It is a state of mind where the mind is not fixed on or occupied by any thought or emotion and is thus connected to the Cosmos.

In Zen on in your daily life, if the impulse is expressed as conscious thought, it is not Zen.

This pure state of mind, of pure mental clarity, is produced by the absence of the ego or limited self. A Mushin mind is not an empty mind like an empty shell, on the contrary, is it a mind fully present, aware and free.

"Mu" or "emptiness" in Mushin refers to an empty mind in the sense that distractions, preoccupations, fears, worries, are absent and are no more an issue for the mind, whether in combat or daily life.

The concept of Mushin is identical to the Japanese metaphorical expression "Mizu no Kokoro" or the "mind like water." This mental attitude refers to a mind that is in total harmony with the Cosmos that it resembles a still pond of water without any ripples where the surface reflects a clear and perfectly undistorted image of the surroundings, like a mirror.

Mushin is achieved when a person's mind is free from anger, fear, or the ego during combat or everyday life.
Mushin cannot be grasped by the intellect; it must be experienced. A Mushin mind has no Ego and no substance; it is pure Enlightenment and is the perfect realization of the self.

This state of mind takes years and years of practice to achieve. Mushin is achieved when a person's mind is free from anger, fear, judgment or the ego during combat or everyday life.
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I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
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KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 am I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
even a little bit daily makes a world of difference.
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KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 am I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
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Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:29 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 am I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
Sit up straight in a chair.
Rest your hands on your legs.
Close your eyes.
Maintain good posture, like a string is lifting the center of your chest straight up.
Work on having a full breath in and a full breath out with engaging any thoughts that come in.
Each breath in and out should be around 3-4 seconds each to maintain consistency.
The area between the inhale and exhale without tension in your body is where the magic happens.
This is your starting point. Try this for 5 minutes to start.
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Melon wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:31 am That's in person, the internet it totally different. It's ok to go all out in regards to name calling.
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datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:37 am
Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:29 am
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
Sit up straight in a chair.
Rest your hands on your legs.
Close your eyes.
Maintain good posture, like a string is lifting the center of your chest straight up.
Work on having a full breath in and a full breath out with engaging any thoughts that come in.
Each breath in and out should be around 3-4 seconds each to maintain consistency.
The area between the inhale and exhale without tension in your body is where the magic happens.
This is your starting point. Try this for 5 minutes to start.
:fuckyeah: will do.

My brain NEVER turns off, and I often desperately want it to. I will start with this.
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Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:38 am
datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:37 am

Sit up straight in a chair.
Rest your hands on your legs.
Close your eyes.
Maintain good posture, like a string is lifting the center of your chest straight up.
Work on having a full breath in and a full breath out with engaging any thoughts that come in.
Each breath in and out should be around 3-4 seconds each to maintain consistency.
The area between the inhale and exhale without tension in your body is where the magic happens.
This is your starting point. Try this for 5 minutes to start.
:fuckyeah: will do.

My brain NEVER turns off, and I often desperately want it to. I will start with this.
I used to teach yoga and meditation as my primary profession when I lived in NYC and have had my own personal practice for 18 years. This is the method that finally gave me the baseline to learn more meditation techniques.
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Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:29 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 am I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
I'm using the Headspace app. It's offers a lot of free content to start. That's all I'm using and the free stuff had been helpful and enough for me. At this point I'm not paying. I'm just doing the "basics" program

It has a lot of animations to help you understand what meditation is and help with expectations. Ib topically do 5 to 10 minutes per day and I feel super productive right after I do it.
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KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:41 am
Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:29 am
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
I'm using the Headspace app. It's offers a lot of free content to start. That's all I'm using and the free stuff had been helpful and enough for me. At this point I'm not paying. I'm just doing the "basics" program

It has a lot of animations to help you understand what meditation is and help with expectations. Ib topically do 5 to 10 minutes per day and I feel super productive right after I do it.
Headspace is also a great place to start. I also use the Gaia app. Do either of you have Audible?
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These videos really helped me understand the purpose of meditation.


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datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:40 am
Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:38 am
:fuckyeah: will do.

My brain NEVER turns off, and I often desperately want it to. I will start with this.
I used to teach yoga and meditation as my primary profession when I lived in NYC and have had my own personal practice for 18 years. This is the method that finally gave me the baseline to learn more meditation techniques.
Wow. Interesting af. Headspace is teaching exactly what you suggested.

Did you find you lost clients after they "learned" how to meditate?
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datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:43 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:41 am

I'm using the Headspace app. It's offers a lot of free content to start. That's all I'm using and the free stuff had been helpful and enough for me. At this point I'm not paying. I'm just doing the "basics" program

It has a lot of animations to help you understand what meditation is and help with expectations. Ib topically do 5 to 10 minutes per day and I feel super productive right after I do it.
Headspace is also a great place to start. I also use the Gaia app. Do either of you have Audible?
I don't. What's Gaia?
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KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:51 am
datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:40 am

I used to teach yoga and meditation as my primary profession when I lived in NYC and have had my own personal practice for 18 years. This is the method that finally gave me the baseline to learn more meditation techniques.
Wow. Interesting af. Headspace is teaching exactly what you suggested.

Did you find you lost clients after they "learned" how to meditate?
Meaning talking to them after they learned to meditate?
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KYGTIGuy wrote: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:26 pm What if we are just animals who evolved like everything else and were born by chance and will die and turn to dust?

I mean, I'd like to think we are something special but it's all just unjustified wishful thinking trying to give meaning to the meaningless
Who decides what has meaning and what doesn't? Does someone get to decide that for you?
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datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:09 am Mushin is at the core of Zen and Japanese martial arts. It is a state of mind where the mind is not fixed on or occupied by any thought or emotion and is thus connected to the Cosmos.

In Zen on in your daily life, if the impulse is expressed as conscious thought, it is not Zen.

This pure state of mind, of pure mental clarity, is produced by the absence of the ego or limited self. A Mushin mind is not an empty mind like an empty shell, on the contrary, is it a mind fully present, aware and free.

"Mu" or "emptiness" in Mushin refers to an empty mind in the sense that distractions, preoccupations, fears, worries, are absent and are no more an issue for the mind, whether in combat or daily life.

The concept of Mushin is identical to the Japanese metaphorical expression "Mizu no Kokoro" or the "mind like water." This mental attitude refers to a mind that is in total harmony with the Cosmos that it resembles a still pond of water without any ripples where the surface reflects a clear and perfectly undistorted image of the surroundings, like a mirror.

Mushin is achieved when a person's mind is free from anger, fear, or the ego during combat or everyday life.
Mushin cannot be grasped by the intellect; it must be experienced. A Mushin mind has no Ego and no substance; it is pure Enlightenment and is the perfect realization of the self.

This state of mind takes years and years of practice to achieve. Mushin is achieved when a person's mind is free from anger, fear, judgment or the ego during combat or everyday life.
Is this something you practice?
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Detroit wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:29 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 am I've been practicing meditation lately and it had been really helping me

My mind had a tendency to race and bounce around and I don't give things their proper attention. I'm not dumb but my long term planning is poor because of my attention span. I think too "big"(not a complement) and the day to day things get lost. I'm hesitant to say I have ADD because of the negative connotation but I went through a pretty thourough diagnosis process before I was comfortable with that label. I used to take meds but I abused them so I stopped.

Meditation is helping me reign in my thoughts to be more present and slow them down to a better place for me to function. I'm just starting and at first it didn't really understand it but I'm glad I started at this point.
I need to work on this, personally. Anyone have tips to start practicing mediation?
Create a drive inside of you with strong intent otherwise it will just remain on the list indefinitely with all the other things that you never got around to doing.
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datgrundle wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:54 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:51 am

Wow. Interesting af. Headspace is teaching exactly what you suggested.

Did you find you lost clients after they "learned" how to meditate?
Meaning talking to them after they learned to meditate?
Yeah basically. Do they continue to see you after they have learned to do it themselves?
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Thedude wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:00 am
KYGTIGuy wrote: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:26 pm What if we are just animals who evolved like everything else and were born by chance and will die and turn to dust?

I mean, I'd like to think we are something special but it's all just unjustified wishful thinking trying to give meaning to the meaningless
Who decides what has meaning and what doesn't? Does someone get to decide that for you?
Reality.
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