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You can't fix stupid :doe:

Maybe that's why some smart people turn to Religion? They know the score?

:hmm:
Who?
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How about that Boston Tea Party?
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FTFY
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You're right, I should have been more clear but tried to be brief-ish instead. That was a bad idea.

God forbid I assume that we all agree on the obvious: Some people are able to grow up with religion and think critically about some subjects. Some religious people are able to make rational decisions sometimes.

The fact that I needed to clarify that is kind of upsetting - You really think that little of me to assume that I wouldn't acknowledge the above?
You do this to everyone else though. Me especially.
I do the opposite to you: try to get you down from big broad (vague) claims to specific details.

But yes: I was WRONG to be so general. Some religious people have had some reasonable ideas. Some, I imagine, are good people.

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Bender wrote:
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:triggered:
FTFY
I'm pretty liberal and some of the shit I see on Twitter is just amazing. I'm not going to stop being liberal but wow.

I'm hoping it's just a bunch of Russian bots trying to destroy my faith in humanity.

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You do this to everyone else though. Me especially.
I do the opposite to you: try to get you down from big broad (vague) claims to specific details.

But yes: I was WRONG to be so general.
Some religious people have had some reasonable ideas. Some, I imagine, are good people.
Huh
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Maybe that's why some smart people turn to Religion? They know the score?

:hmm:
Who?
Obama.....

Got ya!

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You do this to everyone else though. Me especially.
I do the opposite to you: try to get you down from big broad (vague) claims to specific details.

But yes: I was WRONG to be so general. Some religious people have had some reasonable ideas. Some, I imagine, are good people.
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KYGTIGuy wrote:
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Who?
Obama.....

Got ya!

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Got nobody.
He didn't "turn" to it. He was raised with it.
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KYGTIGuy wrote:
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Obama.....

Got ya!

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Got nobody.
He didn't "turn" to it. He was raised with it.
He turned to Mohammed :doe:

He's the creator of ISIS.

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wap wrote:
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Obama.....

Got ya!

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Got nobody.
He didn't "turn" to it. He was raised with it.
We debating the phrase "turn to it" now? Is that what you hoped to be doing tonight?

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SAWCE wrote: I actually don’t plan on taking my children to church. If they discover it own their own and it’s something they want in their lives, cool. So, no, I’m not doing any of those things. Keep on making generalizations and spreading hate though :jesus:
What the fuck? You are sitting here claiming to be smarter than any scientist who has ever lived. That's one of "those things" - Guess what, champ? Accepting faith over :fax: makes you exactly what is wrong with the world. That plus accepting others who accept faith over :fax: might not be as bad as forcing kids to do it too, but you're still on the wrong side of the issue.
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wap wrote: Got nobody.
He didn't "turn" to it. He was raised with it.
He turned to Mohammed :doe:

He's the creator of ISIS.
Oh yea, :dat:
I believe he drinks the blood of Jewish children, so it must be true.
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KYGTIGuy wrote:
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Got nobody.
He didn't "turn" to it. He was raised with it.
We debating the phrase "turn to it" now? Is that what you hoped to be doing tonight?
No debate. Turn to it means he became religious later in life, which is not true. :fax: beyond debate.
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troyguitar wrote:What the fuck? You are sitting here claiming to be smarter than any scientist who has ever lived. That's one of "those things" - Guess what, champ? Accepting faith over :fax: makes you exactly what is wrong with the world. That plus accepting others who accept faith over :fax: might not be as bad as forcing kids to do it too, but you're still on the wrong side of the issue.
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Calvinball wrote: “Teaching kids to believe in fairy tales against all evidence is the root problem here and makes the citizenry in general unable to think critically.”

“Religion is why we can’t make rational decisions.”

If you can’t see how what you said is easily interpreted as a blanket statement then I’m just done here. You accuse me of typical behavior, but right back at ya buddy. You resort to semantics whenever backed up, you the guy who says ‘say exactly what you mean’ all the time to others. This is either a conscious tactic, or you really can’t understand how you are doing exactly what you always accuse others of. Those statements I quoted, with no further explanation, absolutely are easily interpreted as blanket statements that religion and all those who have faith are fundamentally inferior at...thinking? I guess? I doubt anyone else on the board would disagree with me. At the very least you had to clarify it for me with this post I quoted here. I still disagree with you but at least your thoughts make more sense.




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You're right, I should have been more clear but tried to be brief-ish instead. That was a bad idea.

God forbid I assume that we all agree on the obvious: Some people are able to grow up with religion and think critically about some subjects. Some religious people are able to make rational decisions sometimes.

The fact that I needed to clarify that is kind of upsetting - You really think that little of me to assume that I wouldn't acknowledge the above?
Well, this highlights my point. You often call people out for saying things that expect an assumption on the reader’s part. Say what you mean and be clear; that is a frequent counter argument of yours. So I can’t hold you to that same standard?

It’s a forum, written communication only. Subtext/context is sometimes lost. The thing is when others are guilty of such assumptions your first reaction is to call people idiots.

This is an example of you being on the other side. Keep it in mind with future exchanges.

I don’t think little of you. I don’t think little of anyone on here. I try, not always successfully, to just stay out of the bickering that happens here on occasion.

However, like :waxer: said, you have often talked about communication issues. I’ll say again, an Internet forum isn’t an ideal setting, but why not use it as practice. When my dad was on jeopardy Trebek commented on his watching the show all the time at home and playing along. My dad’s comment to that was “that was target practice, this is combat.” But he went on to win. Point being, if communication is an issue, you’ll have to work at it to improve. An Internet forum isn’t a perfect setting, but I think this particular forum has at least proven to have a thick enough skin to be a good target range. You gotta take a third party view of conversations though.

Meaning, identifying when things derail and not just considering the other party as in the wrong but taking a step back and putting yourself in their shoes. It’s the only way it works. The science is out there; if you come at an anti-vaccer saying they are wrong and here’s the facts, then they just double down on their beliefs.

If you want to have productive conversations and not just back and forth pointless arguments, you have to learn how this aspect of psychology works. Otherwise you’ll always just butt heads and make enemies.

Finally, this stuff is a feel-it-out process, sometimes you put yourself in someone else’s shoes and realize...I should just stop right here cause ain’t nothing there.


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Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:36 am

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troyguitar wrote: You're right, I should have been more clear but tried to be brief-ish instead. That was a bad idea.

God forbid I assume that we all agree on the obvious: Some people are able to grow up with religion and think critically about some subjects. Some religious people are able to make rational decisions sometimes.

The fact that I needed to clarify that is kind of upsetting - You really think that little of me to assume that I wouldn't acknowledge the above?
Well, this highlights my point. You often call people out for saying things that expect an assumption on the reader’s part. Say what you mean and be clear; that is a frequent counter argument of yours. So I can’t hold you to that same standard?

It’s a forum, written communication only. Subtext/context is sometimes lost. The thing is when others are guilty of such assumptions your first reaction is to call people idiots.

This is an example of you being on the other side. Keep it in mind with future exchanges.

I don’t think little of you. I don’t think little of anyone on here. I try, not always successfully, to just stay out of the bickering that happens here on occasion.

However, like :waxer: said, you have often talked about communication issues. I’ll say again, an Internet forum isn’t an ideal setting, but why not use it as practice. When my dad was on jeopardy Trebek commented on his watching the show all the time at home and playing along. My dad’s comment to that was “that was target practice, this is combat.” But he went on to win. Point being, if communication is an issue, you’ll have to work at it to improve. An Internet forum isn’t a perfect setting, but I think this particular forum has at least proven to have a thick enough skin to be a good target range. You gotta take a third party view of conversations though.

Meaning, identifying when things derail and not just considering the other party as in the wrong but taking a step back and putting yourself in their shoes. It’s the only way it works. The science is out there; if you come at an anti-vaccer saying they are wrong and here’s the facts, then they just double down on their beliefs.

If you want to have productive conversations and not just back and forth pointless arguments, you have to learn how this aspect of psychology works. Otherwise you’ll always just butt heads and make enemies.

Finally, this stuff is a feel-it-out process, sometimes you put yourself in someone else’s shoes and realize...I should just stop right here cause ain’t nothing there.


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You hit me on the one day that I fucked up and got super general, talking about the one subject that I strongly believe is the worst thing in our history, our present, and our likely future. So yeah, I messed it up... But can you think of other times I've been less than specific which lead you to believe that I often speak that way? I try very hard to make my ideas very clear, most of the time.

Religion is fucking evil :doe: and my hatred for it knows few bounds. Kids being forced into that shit for centuries is the biggest crime in history.

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:jesus: = :triggered: :mahtroy:

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Ask Galileo how his church treated him.
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Ok, let's see.
Guns? Check.
Religion? Check.
Politics? Hmm.

That fucking trickle down economics is a joke, amirite?
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I think I read more pages of OT in a single day than ever before.

The discussion highlights the real issue in that people with opposing opinions refuse to understand the other side’s perspective and work towards reasonable solutions. People would rather just point out the other side’s flawed thinking, tell them they’re wrong for thinking that way, and the only solution is to think their way. The problem isn’t guns, religion, liberal, or conservative. It’s people refusing to listen, empathize, and work together in a reasonable fashion.

That’s all I’m offering on the subject and prefer not to debate my views on the forum. I’m going back into my hole and worry about things that truly affect ME.
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:01 am

I never knew you were so religious Sawce.

No judgement, just, didn't know.
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The discussion highlights the real issue in that people with opposing opinions refuse to understand the other side’s perspective and work towards reasonable solutions.
Same fucking brain man.

I was out in the field all day (I'll post a selfie shortly) and I got back to the office, Dubshow's and I were talking guns, and we don't see eye to eye 100%, but my main issue was how we can't even have these discussions, because they need to be had. It's so polarized, and instantly :triggered: .

I have a 9mm S&W M&P, I enjoy it, but, I'm not a gun nut, I don't know the ins and outs of all the laws. Gun control debates are an area I don't know enough about to offer meaningful insight, but, the conversation needs to be had.

Anyway, let's make today a good day.
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