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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 am
by Desertbreh
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
Apex wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:13 am

Oh my. :popcorn:
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit :truk: in.
Wait. The city restricts garages to 750 square feet?

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit :truk: in.
Wait. The city restricts garages to 750 square feet?
Yes. Which is complete :bs: because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).

It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super :| but I think I can deal.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 am
by Desertbreh
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 am
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 am

Wait. The city restricts garages to 750 square feet?
Yes. Which is complete :bs: because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).

It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super :| but I think I can deal.
That’s communist

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:17 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 am
Yes. Which is complete :bs: because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).

It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super :| but I think I can deal.
That’s communist
Agreed, but whatever.

Michigan blows, but I'm stuck here for at least another few years, so I'll make the best of it while I'm here. At least we love our house, the neighborhood, and the location.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:30 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:07 am Oh wow, been a while in here.

Just signed a contract with an architect to draw up garage plans.

:excited:
:fuckyeah:
:popcorn:
In4garagemahalblueprints

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:31 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
Apex wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:13 am

Oh my. :popcorn:
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit :truk: in.
Oh.
:flaccid:

Still, sounds pretty :notbad: overall, :doe:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:31 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit :truk: in.
Oh.
:flaccid:

Still, sounds pretty :notbad: overall, :doe:
It'll be fine. I'll make the best of it.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:31 am

Oh.
:flaccid:

Still, sounds pretty :notbad: overall, :doe:
It'll be fine. I'll make the best of it.
Oh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.

Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
Image
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be :nice: as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am
It'll be fine. I'll make the best of it.
Oh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.

Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
Image
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be :nice: as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.
Certainly going to have a gas line run when we trench for electrical. Will probably wait to install the heater until after the garage is insulated :doe:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 am
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 am
Oh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.

Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
Image
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be :nice: as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.
Certainly going to have a gas line run when we trench for electrical. Will probably wait to install the heater until after the garage is insulated :doe:
Logical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.

Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 am
Certainly going to have a gas line run when we trench for electrical. Will probably wait to install the heater until after the garage is insulated :doe:
Logical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.

Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.
I imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.

Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 am
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am
Logical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.

Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.
I imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.

Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.
Correct. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.

So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.

Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am
by Apex
Radiant floor heat! Do it when they are building the foundation for the garage.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 am
I imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.

Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.
Correct. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.

So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.

Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.
Yea, venting should be NBD when installing. Not sure I need to really plan much for that when building.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
Apex wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am Radiant floor heat! Do it when they are building the foundation for the garage.
This occurred to me. I talked to my dad about it, and he mentioned that he debated it himself, but the cost of plumbing, adding a boiler, and the recirc pump was way more than the ceiling radiant heat he chose.

Will be worth looking into :doe:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 am
by Melon
I installed a sound bar at the beginning of the E30 project, has totally transformed how I work on shit.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am
by ChrisoftheNorth
Melon wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 am I installed a sound bar at the beginning of the E30 project, has totally transformed how I work on shit.
It's really a great idea. I think I'd hard wire speakers in or something.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am
by Melon
This isn't Garagmahal.

The is the fucking Garagtanic.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am
by Apex
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 am
Apex wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am Radiant floor heat! Do it when they are building the foundation for the garage.
This occurred to me. I talked to my dad about it, and he mentioned that he debated it himself, but the cost of plumbing, adding a boiler, and the recirc pump was way more than the ceiling radiant heat he chose.

Will be worth looking into :doe:
:megusta:

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:30 am
by wap
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am
wap wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 am
Correct. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.

So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.

Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.
Yea, venting should be NBD when installing. Not sure I need to really plan much for that when building.
Nah, probably not. Just the gas and electric feeds need to be planned in advance.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pm
by coogles
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:58 am
Right? That's why I want to plan for this now so the foundation can be planned to accommodate.
if thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start

RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.

750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
:iono:

A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:13 pm
by goIftdibrad
coogles wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pm
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 am

if thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start

RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.

750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
:iono:

A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
so you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:16 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
coogles wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pm
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 am

if thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start

RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.

750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
:iono:

A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
Our lot is ridiculously deep. It's a big reason why we bought our house. Depth is absolutely a consideration for most, but not for us, which is why I think a little more depth would be useful for wall storage and whatnot. I'd rather have a big and tall 2 car, but that's just my preference.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:17 pm
by ChrisoftheNorth
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:13 pm
coogles wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pm

:iono:

A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
so you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.
Right. All depends on what you want. I want space to work on and store things. I want to be able to hang yard equipment on the wall and still open the car door, etc.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 pm
by coogles
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:13 pm so you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.
Of course, and my opinion is that I've worked on my cars plenty inside our little 17'x18' shack. I still maintain that something like 22' x 34' would be perfect. Just for an example, the WIDE Bendpak tandem parking lift is only 20'10" wide. A 10' wide bay is pretty normal, and that'd leave another 4' for cabinets and work space on the one end.

If he wants to build a 27x27 two car instead of a real 3 car that's fine, it's just a strange choice IMO.