I see all sides of this. I TOLD Brad about this shit. I was real mad dropping 7400 on 410 when I found out a week later it's phased out. I also did t have any options as the consumer/residential units simply arent being produced yet. In the next 2 years we will see all the new and flammable gas systems in the market. But yeah. 410a days been numbered. Thanks .govJohnny_P wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:56 amYou know what would have been helpful? Leading with this information to give context as to why I should limp a 30yo AC system along. This is something I did not know and is very helpful knowledge.golftdibrad1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:13 am Alright well Johnny gonna be real fucking mad when he finds out r-410a is also being phased out and he has to pay 300 a lb for refrigerant in 8 years on a system top up. I'd take that 2 year gamble on a working system. Hell... I AM. my r-22 ac is real fuckin old...like 1987. Im hoping to not put in new equipment that is IMMEDIATELY obsolete / hella expensive to maintain / not forwards compatible.
https://www.carrierenterprise.com/hvac- ... -phase-out
https://www.coolingpost.com/world-news/ ... rigerants/
Also fuck the epa for fucking around with the coolants every 15 years. Ozone holes? proven false. Global warming potential? fuck that water vapor dwarfs it ALL.
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Yeah I’m leaning towards fixing the duct and limping it. However I can’t find anyone to fix the duct since it’s so wedged in there and they are all saying they have to remove the air handler to repair the duct. Which I can’t do because R22. Ugh.dubshow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:35 amI see all sides of this. I TOLD Brad about this shit. I was real mad dropping 7400 on 410 when I found out a week later it's phased out. I also did t have any options as the consumer/residential units simply arent being produced yet. In the next 2 years we will see all the new and flammable gas systems in the market. But yeah. 410a days been numbered. Thanks .gov
a real good, low-brow a/c baw can set you up with the blend mix that will limp the system along until a major component failure. If you have no leaks at the core and the compressor holding on, its easy to limp.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:31 pmYeah I’m leaning towards fixing the duct and limping it. However I can’t find anyone to fix the duct since it’s so wedged in there and they are all saying they have to remove the air handler to repair the duct. Which I can’t do because R22. Ugh.dubshow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:35 am
I see all sides of this. I TOLD Brad about this shit. I was real mad dropping 7400 on 410 when I found out a week later it's phased out. I also did t have any options as the consumer/residential units simply arent being produced yet. In the next 2 years we will see all the new and flammable gas systems in the market. But yeah. 410a days been numbered. Thanks .gov
the og a/c baw i speak of would be the guy that vents to atmosphere zfg. he'd be rated 3 out of 5 stars. level with that bro, pay upfront/promptly at service with check/cash. dont preach on name brands (premium units). he should have a minimum of saved spare parts hoarded for low budget fixes as well.
a/c's just arent that complex. knowing how/where to source the right part for bandaid repairs is key. The bigger dealer chain's objective is to sell and install then lifetime service your $20k new a/c unit. When in reality, it should be 1/4 of that. There was a great youtube on this for which brands are in which regions. and there are only 3 ppl making these systems, pick the maker that is most common in your region and serviced by the most repair guys.
the death of my 1994 r-22 trane compressor and 2008 interior core was a stuck expansion valve. The labor to replace that was nearing 50% of a new more effecient unit 410 install. It just made more sense, I also bought the swamp palace knowing the smaller bedroom unit was on borrowed time. But its compressor was still just fine. From my recent run in, I am no long a premium unit fanboi. I've bought 2 units in 8 years at 2 houses. The price increase alone in the last 3 years pushed this decision that Trane, Rheem, etc just arent worth the premium upcharge. Trane especially due to sole sourced components and limited service people/options.
What's egregious is the ruthless sales tactics hvac techs pull... selling a $20 capacitor with 15 mins install time for $500 minimum...
What's egregious is the ruthless sales tactics hvac techs pull... selling a $20 capacitor with 15 mins install time for $500 minimum...
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A/C is pretty much food and oxygen in the swamp. How people lived there in the 1800s I am not too certain.dubshow wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:45 pm the death of my 1994 r-22 trane compressor and 2008 interior core was a stuck expansion valve. The labor to replace that was nearing 50% of a new more effecient unit 410 install. It just made more sense, I also bought the swamp palace knowing the smaller bedroom unit was on borrowed time. But its compressor was still just fine. From my recent run in, I am no long a premium unit fanboi. I've bought 2 units in 8 years at 2 houses. The price increase alone in the last 3 years pushed this decision that Trane, Rheem, etc just arent worth the premium upcharge. Trane especially due to sole sourced components and limited service people/options.
What's egregious is the ruthless sales tactics hvac techs pull... selling a $20 capacitor with 15 mins install time for $500 minimum...
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Just got a quote to replace all the original stuff at the house.
$20k. It's a dual system: 3 ton main system, with a natural gas furnace, plus a 2-ton heat pump with the air handler wedged in the ceiling in an attic space on the second floor.
My father-in-law works in commercial HVAC. Think I'm going to have one of his guys who does it on the side do it for <$10k total. Shocking how much cheaper it is. Basically, he orders the stuff closer to cost through work. $6500 in materials, and then he can install it himself in under 2 days for $2k-$3k for himself.
$20k. It's a dual system: 3 ton main system, with a natural gas furnace, plus a 2-ton heat pump with the air handler wedged in the ceiling in an attic space on the second floor.
My father-in-law works in commercial HVAC. Think I'm going to have one of his guys who does it on the side do it for <$10k total. Shocking how much cheaper it is. Basically, he orders the stuff closer to cost through work. $6500 in materials, and then he can install it himself in under 2 days for $2k-$3k for himself.
thats the approach i did with my first system. the mark ups are wild.MrH42 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:25 pm Just got a quote to replace all the original stuff at the house.
$20k. It's a dual system: 3 ton main system, with a natural gas furnace, plus a 2-ton heat pump with the air handler wedged in the ceiling in an attic space on the second floor.
My father-in-law works in commercial HVAC. Think I'm going to have one of his guys who does it on the side do it for <$10k total. Shocking how much cheaper it is. Basically, he orders the stuff closer to cost through work. $6500 in materials, and then he can install it himself in under 2 days for $2k-$3k for himself.
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