Yours was similar but these two are even closer, which is kind of crazy since they're 30 years apart. Almost everything is the same. Admittedly the later euro spec E30s were both lighter and more powerful than what we got in 'murica, but you can get that from the aftermarket on an 86 too. It's the car that people say they want, but it has the wrong badges on the front.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:46 pm Do you remember my rant about the 370z and how it was better than my E46 M3... rev's just as high far more reliable, handles just as good etc etc. But INLINE 6 BRO... but 10w60 oil bro!!
Same exact comparison if you ask me... minus the whole back seat thing which frankly doesn't matter for most looking for a sports car, and then there is the G37
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Well the E30 just has cult/historical status, it is very difficult to separate that from actual car performance.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:58 pmYours was similar but these two are even closer, which is kind of crazy since they're 30 years apart. Almost everything is the same. Admittedly the later euro spec E30s were both lighter and more powerful than what we got in 'murica, but you can get that from the aftermarket on an 86 too. It's the car that people say they want, but it has the wrong badges on the front.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:46 pm Do you remember my rant about the 370z and how it was better than my E46 M3... rev's just as high far more reliable, handles just as good etc etc. But INLINE 6 BRO... but 10w60 oil bro!!
Same exact comparison if you ask me... minus the whole back seat thing which frankly doesn't matter for most looking for a sports car, and then there is the G37
More extreme example would be I suppose a racing Bentley from the 20s, Yes your car is better in every way but people still put that performance on a pedestal because it is from way back when from a time with horses.
In a lot of cases I'd argue that you do get something more out of the driving experience of an older car as they have that "raw" feel to them - they don't have things like numb clutches/shifters, shitty electric steering, rev hang, etc... but the 86 honestly avoids all of that stuff. My favorite thing about it is that it feels like a car from the 90s but has new car reliability.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:44 pmtroyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:42 pm
Yep. All I can figure is that most people, including those who own them, have never driven one. Drive an 86 and you're getting as close to that experience as you can get - and you probably won't want to buy one at $30k let alone $200k or whatever the hell the roundels go for...
There is a lot to be said about newer vehicles that can't be easily captured in forum bro jerk off fests online.
I am willing to bet that the 86 is better in every single way.... every one
No rattles
Far more reliable
same speed/handling
Better mpg
better interior
more features
where is it worse ?
racing pedigree and history... but for a street car. 86s are also far better selling than any E30 m3 ever were. 18k total made... that's like annual 86 production isn't it?
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So much how dare you here.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:42 pmYep. All I can figure is that most people, including those who own them, have never driven one. Drive an 86 and you're getting as close to that experience as you can get - and you probably won't want to buy one at $30k let alone $200k or whatever the hell the roundels go for... They do look awesome
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I'd probably have an 86 if I lived somewhere with roads that turned and were somewhat smooth.
When we were out in SB all I could think about was bombing something like an 86 down canyon roads. I'd buy one if we lived out there.
When we were out in SB all I could think about was bombing something like an 86 down canyon roads. I'd buy one if we lived out there.
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I purposely chose my to not have leather or Nav. And for my next car I about AA or ACP or blind spot assist or lane keeping asist, etc.
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:53 pmCool. Does this mean Porsche will start remanufacturing the 944 Turbo as an economy car? I will take mine in Guards Red with Phone Dial RAMZ. KThanksbra.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:40 am
That’s exactly why I posted a pinto...
gravy days are done for now ...
A lot of us bitched about “lack of sports cars” etc, this is about to get good Bois.
Current cars have a lot of non essential shit that adds cost. Plenty of ways to cut that out.
No more leather
No more power shit
No more moonroofs
Smaller non turbo engines that are old and proven
Cheaper older transmissions
Cheaper thinner plastics inside
Shittier paint
Shittier lights
Smaller and shittier brakes
Smaller and thinner tires
Smaller footprints
Shittier infotainment no more royalties to google or Apple
Simpler dashboards
33k average price ... can be taken down to 20-25 and if the economy goes south that’s where we’re going
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944 is not cheap. More like some sort of golf 1.8tsi powered poorsche gayman with 180hp and 2500# which wouldn’t be that bad to be honestDesertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:53 pmCool. Does this mean Porsche will start remanufacturing the 944 Turbo as an economy car? I will take mine in Guards Red with Phone Dial RAMZ. KThanksbra.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:40 am
That’s exactly why I posted a pinto...
gravy days are done for now ...
A lot of us bitched about “lack of sports cars” etc, this is about to get good Bois.
Current cars have a lot of non essential shit that adds cost. Plenty of ways to cut that out.
No more leather
No more power shit
No more moonroofs
Smaller non turbo engines that are old and proven
Cheaper older transmissions
Cheaper thinner plastics inside
Shittier paint
Shittier lights
Smaller and shittier brakes
Smaller and thinner tires
Smaller footprints
Shittier infotainment no more royalties to google or Apple
Simpler dashboards
33k average price ... can be taken down to 20-25 and if the economy goes south that’s where we’re going
Yeah that would be rad.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:26 pm944 is not cheap. More like some sort of golf 1.8tsi powered poorsche gayman with 180hp and 2500# which wouldn’t be that bad to be honestDesertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Cool. Does this mean Porsche will start remanufacturing the 944 Turbo as an economy car? I will take mine in Guards Red with Phone Dial RAMZ. KThanksbra.
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Would be awesome, agreed.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:19 pmI'd be cool with a modern 914. Basically a Cayman with a VW 2.0T? Works for me.wap wrote:
Hell yea. Shit, I may be the only one on here who the OG 914 and 916.
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It's called the 718troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:19 pmI'd be cool with a modern 914. Basically a Cayman with a VW 2.0T? Works for me.wap wrote:
Hell yea. Shit, I may be the only one on here who the OG 914 and 916.
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Starting at $60kCaleDeRoo wrote:It's called the 718troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:19 pm I'd be cool with a modern 914. Basically a Cayman with a VW 2.0T? Works for me.
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I feel that since I built a Type 1 Beetle 35-ish (!) years ago I'd do well with a 914. Many parts are interchangeable with a Beetle and I still kinda those air cooled beasts.
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Meh. For better or worse I'm locked into this car through at least 2025. Maybe I'll be in a position to get something special when I turn 40 in late 2025. Until then it's all Toyota all the time.CaleDeRoo wrote:Cayman with a 2.0T
Your 914 wish may be coming
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Seems like a reasonable time frame ?troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:50 pmMeh. For better or worse I'm locked into this car through at least 2025. Maybe I'll be in a position to get something special when I turn 40 in late 2025. Until then it's all Toyota all the time.CaleDeRoo wrote:
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Your 914 wish may be coming