Waxer's Haus of Wax

[Johnny_P]

Hey random q, how tall is the wife ? I noticed that I don’t think anyone under 5’2” can actually drive the Jeep. The seats are really high off the ground and I don’t think you can reach the pedals...

She's 5/7.

D'awwww

[Johnny_P]

Nah. Just pointing out that it still no where near a rogue. Or even a modern mid size truck in terms of that.
However interior is nice now, much nicer than any truck in this “segment”.

Oh wow. I thought I read reviews that said it's just as good as modern mid pickup.

If only we had someone that owned both...

*looks at thread title*

A few posts back he said the JL rides better than the ZedArrDos

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Oh wow. I thought I read reviews that said it's just as good as modern mid pickup.

If only we had someone that owned both...

*looks at thread title*

A few posts back he said the JL rides better than the ZedArrDos

Yea, but no comment on NVH...

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

[Johnny_P]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

Oh. I pulled a Max and didn't read. NVH, yeah, curious too. Probably about equal but the JL has an igloo cooler for a roof so

[max225]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

Oh. I pulled a Max and didn't read. NVH, yeah, curious too. Probably about equal but the JL has an igloo cooler for a roof so

Shots fired.
I drove em both... the JL is very similar to the JK. Better in every way but still similar. I didn't have a chance to really ring out the JL since it was brand new and a saleshole with me... but It didn't really need to be done since it geared far better. But hitting bumps still results in that BOF jiggle combined with porta potty EDM music festival banging noises.

[max225]

Nah. Just pointing out that it still no where near a rogue. Or even a modern mid size truck in terms of that.
However interior is nice now, much nicer than any truck in this “segment”.

Oh wow. I thought I read reviews that said it's just as good as modern mid pickup.

If only we had someone that owned both...

*looks at thread title*

You can't do away with the "roof" issues as well as the nearly vertical windshield...

[Desertbreh]

Got the first excitedly positive comment from the wife on the JL a couple days ago....

"In the old Jeep, every morning on my way to work my purse would get thrown over and spill the contents all over the floor. On the new one, this thing stays flat in corners and I haven't had my purse fall over all week!"

That's a pretty easy requirement, but since she's so happy about it and wasn't 100% about trading away the JKU.... I'll take it. She's had many other comments and likes it, but on this one she was really happy.

Dat purse placement and clasp doe.

[Johnny_P]

Oh. I pulled a Max and didn't read. NVH, yeah, curious too. Probably about equal but the JL has an igloo cooler for a roof so

Shots fired.
I drove em both... the JL is very similar to the JK. Better in every way but still similar. I didn't have a chance to really ring out the JL since it was brand new and a saleshole with me... but It didn't really need to be done since it geared far better. But hitting bumps still results in that BOF jiggle combined with porta potty EDM music festival banging noises.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

Wow. Strong endorsement of the JL. That or the ZR2 is a POS and I'm just drunk on

Probably the latter.

[Desertbreh]

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

Wow. Strong endorsement of the JL. That or the ZR2 is a POS and I'm just drunk on

Probably the latter.

It really is. My interest is piqued.

[CorvetteWaxer]

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

Wow. Strong endorsement of the JL. That or the ZR2 is a POS and I'm just drunk on

Probably the latter.

I think a little of both....

Like I said, I like the ZR2 fine, but they really are a bit different. The JL shows why it costs more out of the box though. Leather for Leather, option for option (Rubicon vs ZR2), the Jeep is more expensive, so I would hope the interior and other bits were nicer than a truck that starts life with a $20,200 possible MSRP.

[Johnny_P]

Wow. Strong endorsement of the JL. That or the ZR2 is a POS and I'm just drunk on

Probably the latter.

It really is. My interest is piqued.

Same

The JL sounds awesome. I should revisit this when I decide it's time to

[max225]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

This going to the TRUK worshippers ...

[max225]

It really is. My interest is piqued.

Same

The JL sounds awesome. I should revisit this when I decide it's time to

Dude even the JK is great... I really enjoyed my time in the JKU and kind of miss it. It has a "special feeling" to it you simply don't get from other vehicles.
If they were more affordable used I'd probably get one... but paying NEW JL pricing on a used JK is just

[Johnny_P]

Same

The JL sounds awesome. I should revisit this when I decide it's time to

Dude even the JK is great... I really enjoyed my time in the JKU and kind of miss it. It has a "special feeling" to it you simply don't get from other vehicles.
If they were more affordable used I'd probably get one... but paying NEW JL pricing on a used JK is just

I wanted to buy one. I didn't like the way the JK rode and all the side to side shimmying it did. Also couldn't deal with the brakes.

[max225]

Dude even the JK is great... I really enjoyed my time in the JKU and kind of miss it. It has a "special feeling" to it you simply don't get from other vehicles.
If they were more affordable used I'd probably get one... but paying NEW JL pricing on a used JK is just

I wanted to buy one. I didn't like the way the JK rode and all the side to side shimmying it did. Also couldn't deal with the brakes.

You have to adjust your driving style. At first I was having issues in the JK, then I was having issues in the M3 after getting home. I couldn't drive the M3 smoothly for a day because every time I'd touch the brakes I'd lurch forward.... They are shitty, but it is what it is... I just increased the distance to the car in front of me... like a normal person.

I don't know if they changed anything in the JKs later on but my 2018 JKU was riding really well, and it was acceptably quiet with MUD TIRES. You can't say that about any other vehicle period.

I didn't take any corners with it though and florida has no mountains or twisties soo...

[Johnny_P]

I wanted to buy one. I didn't like the way the JK rode and all the side to side shimmying it did. Also couldn't deal with the brakes.

You have to adjust your driving style. At first I was having issues in the JK, then I was having issues in the M3 after getting home. I couldn't drive the M3 smoothly for a day because every time I'd touch the brakes I'd lurch forward.... They are shitty, but it is what it is... I just increased the distance to the car in front of me... like a normal person.

I don't know if they changed anything in the JKs later on but my 2018 JKU was riding really well, and it was acceptably quiet with MUD TIRES. You can't say that about any other vehicle period.

I didn't take any corners with it though and florida has no mountains or twisties soo...

I was fine with all the other aspects of the Jeep. Just rode too wallowy for me I've heard the Rubicon actually rides better so maybe I should try that. Over the last few years I've developed car sickness and started to get a hint of that while in the JKU so I had to pass on it.
Brakes, yeah, I mean my Exploder at work has JK quality brakes and it's usable. I'm just spoiled by very strong brakes in my car, and I do have to occasionally stomp on those because people suck at driving. It would be manageable but I'd probably get the Ram calipers and disc upgrade.

[max225]

You have to adjust your driving style. At first I was having issues in the JK, then I was having issues in the M3 after getting home. I couldn't drive the M3 smoothly for a day because every time I'd touch the brakes I'd lurch forward.... They are shitty, but it is what it is... I just increased the distance to the car in front of me... like a normal person.

I don't know if they changed anything in the JKs later on but my 2018 JKU was riding really well, and it was acceptably quiet with MUD TIRES. You can't say that about any other vehicle period.

I didn't take any corners with it though and florida has no mountains or twisties soo...

I was fine with all the other aspects of the Jeep. Just rode too wallowy for me I've heard the Rubicon actually rides better so maybe I should try that. Over the last few years I've developed car sickness and started to get a hint of that while in the JKU so I had to pass on it.
Brakes, yeah, I mean my Exploder at work has JK quality brakes and it's usable. I'm just spoiled by very strong brakes in my car, and I do have to occasionally stomp on those because people suck at driving. It would be manageable but I'd probably get the Ram calipers and disc upgrade.

If you go over say... speed bumps... one tire at a time... expect this... high center of gravity.... soft suspension and lots of suspension travel... your head will bob back and forth... no avoiding it... that's just what happens, but in DD driving it is perfectly fine.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

The Jeep is better.

Honestly, after driving the Jeep for 3 days straight I was a bit depressed getting back in the ZR2. The vibrations are higher in the ZR2 and the transmission could use some better tuning to compare to the JL as it just feels a bit harsh.

I'm okay with it though, in reality they serve similar but different purposes and going to the store and buying the Blackstone Griddle was much easier in the ZR2 vs trying to put it into the Jeep w/o scratching up the interior and dealing with putting a 180 pound box on the seats that are not 100% flat when folded.

This going to the TRUK worshippers ...

Why? He confirmed why I like having a If anything, you should be but clearly you didn't read the entire post.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I was fine with all the other aspects of the Jeep. Just rode too wallowy for me I've heard the Rubicon actually rides better so maybe I should try that. Over the last few years I've developed car sickness and started to get a hint of that while in the JKU so I had to pass on it.
Brakes, yeah, I mean my Exploder at work has JK quality brakes and it's usable. I'm just spoiled by very strong brakes in my car, and I do have to occasionally stomp on those because people suck at driving. It would be manageable but I'd probably get the Ram calipers and disc upgrade.

If you go over say... speed bumps... one tire at a time... expect this... high center of gravity.... soft suspension and lots of suspension travel... your head will bob back and forth... no avoiding it... that's just what happens, but in DD driving it is perfectly fine.

See, I thought my JKU did this while my ZR2 does not.

I'll see myself out.

[wap]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

Whatever your definition is, it's obviously

[max225]

Or is my definition of Noise Vibration and Harshness different from everyone else's.

Quite possible..

Whatever your definition is, it's obviously

We all have our preferences/biases. What is acceptable to some is not for others, just take things with a grain of salt... we all do to some extent.

One could also go and test drive these things for themselves...

[CorvetteWaxer]

Whatever your definition is, it's obviously

We all have our preferences/biases. What is acceptable to some is not for others, just take things with a grain of salt... we all do to some extent.

One could also go and test drive these things for themselves...

I fully believe that you have to be in a certain state of mind to love the Jeeps.... but the JL bridges the gap between hardcore Jeepers and regular people much better than the older versions.