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D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:29 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:34 pm

I even DD'ed it, rain or shine. It is a great car for a weekend thing or what not... but getting in and out sucks, parking sucks, ride sucks, lowness sucks. There are other cars that are nearly/just as fast and way easier to live with like an M3. Or the ones you mentioned.

but those cars are either expensive, unreliable, or both. Anything else with the performance and robustness of any given Corvette is at least 2X in price. It’s also not bad with the ride height jacked up. It looks a little goofy but it works. It’s been my only car for 4+ of the last 6 years. Your Z probably comes closest to being as good a driver, as reliable, and still pretty inexpensive.

I have looked at E90 M3s a lot recently. They’re tempting at $20k now but I just don’t have the time to do stuff like replace rod bearings or the inclination to pay a rape palace $5k every other year for such things.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:09 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:29 pm

but those cars are either expensive, unreliable, or both. Anything else with the performance and robustness of any given Corvette is at least 2X in price. It’s also not bad with the ride height jacked up. It looks a little goofy but it works. It’s been my only car for 4+ of the last 6 years. Your Z probably comes closest to being as good a driver, as reliable, and still pretty inexpensive.

I have looked at E90 M3s a lot recently. They’re tempting at $20k now but I just don’t have the time to do stuff like replace rod bearings or the inclination to pay a rape palace $5k every other year for such things.

The Corvette really is THE performance bargain. No denying that nothing can touch it for the price. Reliability is also strong, but old car problems gonna old...it's the only car I've ever owned that stranded me.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:13 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:09 am
The Corvette really is THE performance bargain. No denying that nothing can touch it for the price. Reliability is also strong, but old car problems gonna old...it's the only car I've ever owned that stranded me.

Not the only car that Stranded me but it did as well. And I owned mine from 19,000>55,000 miles. And I have had a number of really shitty issues in a car that new.
Cracked wheel due to production issue
Bubbling paint on hatch
Ecbm module
Leaky rear diff
Granted most of those issues are either ignored or dealt with outside of a dealershit but the C5 has a fair share of issues

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:21 am

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:13 am

Not the only car that Stranded me but it did as well. And I owned mine from 19,000>55,000 miles. And I have had a number of really shitty issues in a car that new.
Cracked wheel due to production issue
Bubbling paint on hatch
Ecbm module
Leaky rear diff
Granted most of those issues are either ignored or dealt with outside of a dealershit but the C5 has a fair share of issues

I had all those issues other than paint. Fortunately, none of them will randomly strand you (my random clutch failure did), and they're relatively cheap to fix, especially of you do your own work.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:24 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:21 am
I had all those issues other than paint. Fortunately, none of them will randomly strand you (my random clutch failure did), and they're relatively cheap to fix, especially of you do your own work.

My rear leaf spring bolt snapped while I was driving... granted it was an aftermarket lowering bolt that was made to exceeds oem quality obviously. Mods rock obviously. can’t use that against the car though

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:42 am

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:24 am
My rear leaf spring bolt snapped while I was driving... granted it was an aftermarket lowering bolt that was made to exceeds oem quality obviously. Mods rock obviously. can’t use that against the car though

Lowering beyond the stock adjustability is on C5s IMO.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:46 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:42 am
Lowering beyond the stock adjustability is on C5s IMO.

Totally, I wasn't even that low, the previous owner put them on in case he wanted to go lower. I think it was part of some "lowering kit" at some point where C5 dudes recommended longer bolts just in case. I was @ stock height.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:19 am I have the highest mileage C5 and most miles logged of anyone here, plus by far the most abuse (20+ track days and counting). My car has never left me stranded, the only time it kind of did was from the TPMS sensors leaking after track sessions in 95F weather. Outside of brand new vehicles like my GTI and Wrangler which really haven't/weren't owned long enough to test, it has been the most reliable car I've owned despite sitting a ton, being 17 years old, and being driven far harder.

Sure, there are issues, but stuff like the paint on the rear hatch is a cosmetic quality issue, that hardly makes it unreliable.

I will forever be the apologist, but every vehicle has issues, the V8 GM shit is that the quality is bad, but the drivetrains are bullet proof.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 am 4X4 status for the win:



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Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am
I dialed mine in just a tad lower, worked perfect.

Good ol' Gandalf.

Was your rear quarter painted?

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:51 am I didn't have any problems with the C5 besides crashing it like an idiot. I'd buy another base targa car without hesitation. It would be a tough call between C5 and C6. C5 is cheaper and the hatch area is much better with the big hole in the middle, but the C6 is superior in looks and interior.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:08 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:51 am I didn't have any problems with the C5 besides crashing it like an idiot. I'd buy another base targa car without hesitation. It would be a tough call between C5 and C6. C5 is cheaper and the hatch area is much better with the big hole in the middle, but the C6 is superior in looks and interior.

An LS3 C6 base would be great IMO.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:13 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:08 pm
An LS3 C6 base would be great IMO.

Jetstream blue w/ gray interior and a clear roof is one of my realistic "dream cars" but I really need to drive more shit to actually know what I want. The hatch+targa combo in a reasonably sized car seems incredibly hard to beat, though I'm in that I prefer a cab-forward feel vs a traditional sports car seating position on the rear axle looking out over my massive hood.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:51 am I didn't have any problems with the C5 besides crashing it like an idiot. I'd buy another base targa car without hesitation. It would be a tough call between C5 and C6. C5 is cheaper and the hatch area is much better with the big hole in the middle, but the C6 is superior in looks and interior.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 am 4X4 status for the win:



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I dialed mine in just a tad lower, worked perfect.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:32 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:51 am I didn't have any problems with the C5 besides crashing it like an idiot. I'd buy another base targa car without hesitation. It would be a tough call between C5 and C6. C5 is cheaper and the hatch area is much better with the big hole in the middle, but the C6 is superior in looks and interior.

I would go C6 these days if I crashed mine or something. My buddy's 28k mile '08 Z51 that he got for like $23K seems like a sweet (until he crashed it at Charlotte Motor Speedway). He fixed it poverty style though, dropped about $2500 on used body panels and some paint work. He had it at the track with me yesterday and it looks decent, could use a bit better panel adjustment and the lower rocker still needs paint.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:36 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:32 pm

I would go C6 these days if I crashed mine or something. My buddy's 28k mile '08 Z51 that he got for like $23K seems like a sweet (until he crashed it at Charlotte Motor Speedway). He fixed it poverty style though, dropped about $2500 on used body panels and some paint work. He had it at the track with me yesterday and it looks decent, could use a bit better panel adjustment and the lower rocker still needs paint.

I'd just get an 08+ for as cheap as possible and upgrade from there. The engine and trans wouldn't need a thing, just suspension work. Even then, I'd probably just mess with the sway bars and better shocks and call it. I liked my C5 with the "soft" stock springs.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:39 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:36 pm
I'd just get an 08+ for as cheap as possible and upgrade from there. The engine and trans wouldn't need a thing, just suspension work. Even then, I'd probably just mess with the sway bars and better shocks and call it. I liked my C5 with the "soft" stock springs.

seems to be the ideal setup even on track, most surfaces aren't all that great. I am really happy with mine with the sway bar upgrades, fresh pieces, and DRM Bilsteins, ride is decent and it handles really well. I am certainly faster than most in my level on the track, even those with cars costing 5X the price.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:36 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:32 pm

I would go C6 these days if I crashed mine or something. My buddy's 28k mile '08 Z51 that he got for like $23K seems like a sweet (until he crashed it at Charlotte Motor Speedway). He fixed it poverty style though, dropped about $2500 on used body panels and some paint work. He had it at the track with me yesterday and it looks decent, could use a bit better panel adjustment and the lower rocker still needs paint.

I'd just get an 08+ for as cheap as possible and upgrade from there. The engine and trans wouldn't need a thing, just suspension work. Even then, I'd probably just mess with the sway bars and better shocks and call it. I liked my C5 with the "soft" stock springs.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:55 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:36 pm
I'd just get an 08+ for as cheap as possible and upgrade from there. The engine and trans wouldn't need a thing, just suspension work. Even then, I'd probably just mess with the sway bars and better shocks and call it. I liked my C5 with the "soft" stock springs.

I'd go Z51 for the shorter 1-2-3 gears and basically do a subset of the MODZZZ from my old one. ZR1 front sway bar, Fox or DRM shocks, small Wilwood brakes over "too small" lightweight set up with "too high" ride height. Then do seat and stereo upgrades inside and you're good to go. Maybe an x-pipe and the quietest Corsa exhaust to make it sound sporty instead of like a and you'd have a pretty amazing package for ~$30k. The only thing I know of that you can't really fix on a vette is the slow ass steering.

Tough call on something like that vs doing a couple upgrades on my car or grabbing some version of Cayman or BMW or ATS(-V) or even a Mustang of some kind. I've never driven any Porsche or BMW and am especially unlikely to ever test drive anything that's been set up the way I would want to do it.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:59 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:55 pm



I'd go Z51 for the shorter 1-2-3 gears and basically do a subset of the MODZZZ from my old one. ZR1 front sway bar, Fox or DRM shocks, small Wilwood brakes over "too small" lightweight set up with "too high" ride height. Then do seat and stereo upgrades inside and you're good to go. Maybe an x-pipe and the quietest Corsa exhaust to make it sound sporty instead of like a and you'd have a pretty amazing package for ~$30k. The only thing I know of that you can't really fix on a vette is the slow ass steering.

Tough call on something like that vs doing a couple upgrades on my car or grabbing some version of Cayman or BMW or ATS(-V) or even a Mustang of some kind. I've never driven any Porsche or BMW and am especially unlikely to ever test drive anything that's been set up the way I would want to do it.

I didn't realize Z51's had different transmission gearing. That would indeed be nice.

I think you could get NPP exhaust with Z51's too, so you wouldn't even need to touch the exhaust if you found one of those.

Mustangs are intriguing, as are ATS-Vs...I'm actually probably most curious about the ATS-V because that platform is so freaking awesome. Last I checked, they're still rather pricey with