Kamry XSE impressions and further updates

[ChrisoftheNorth]

At this point, the "better buy" is whatever you like the best. None of the options you're considering has significantly more depreciation between one another.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Just don't buy a fucking Civic. Hell man.

[max225]

K20. 160 ish hp is probably fine. Sounds like a nice car to me and no 1.5T oil dilution horseshit to deal with.

I dunno I don’t think so that’s like a 90s Honda power to weight ratio.

[max225]

At this point, the "better buy" is whatever you like the best. None of the options you're considering has significantly more depreciation between one another.

Currently looking for 1 year old STIs and WRXs and maybe the RS but the azn hates the RS

[ChrisoftheNorth]

At this point, the "better buy" is whatever you like the best. None of the options you're considering has significantly more depreciation between one another.

Currently looking for 1 year old STIs and WRXs and maybe the RS but the azn hates the RS

Good. Listen to her. That thing blows.

WRX is the answer IMO. Checks every box.

[max225]

Currently looking for 1 year old STIs and WRXs and maybe the RS but the azn hates the RS

Good. Listen to her. That thing blows.

WRX is the answer IMO. Checks every box.

Seems to be that way ... I just wish it made noise ...

What’s your gripe with the rs?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Good. Listen to her. That thing blows.

WRX is the answer IMO. Checks every box.

Seems to be that way ... I just wish it made noise ...

What’s your gripe with the rs?

I fucking hate Ford for no real reason.othet than theyre appareny overall lack of product strategy and cranking out shitty things when they do. The Focus just never struck me as being a great car. Seating position is way too high, interior is garbage, drive is ok. I'm sure an RS is way better, but fuck that...it's still a Focus

Also, think about who you're going to be selling that thing to in 12-24 mos. Vapenation

[CaleDeRoo]

The SPT exhaust is the way to go IMO.



SPT is the Subaru sport exhaust. Can get it through any dealer or online retailer.

[max225]

Seems to be that way ... I just wish it made noise ...

What’s your gripe with the rs?

I fucking hate Ford for no real reason.othet than theyre appareny overall lack of product strategy and cranking out shitty things when they do. The Focus just never struck me as being a great car. Seating position is way too high, interior is garbage, drive is ok. I'm sure an RS is way better, but fuck that...it's still a Focus

Also, think about who you're going to be selling that thing to in 12-24 mos. Vapenation

I’m trying to keep an open mind. All selections are #vapenation approved outside of the 3 ... which seems too expensive without any sort of pricing assistance

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I fucking hate Ford for no real reason.othet than theyre appareny overall lack of product strategy and cranking out shitty things when they do. The Focus just never struck me as being a great car. Seating position is way too high, interior is garbage, drive is ok. I'm sure an RS is way better, but fuck that...it's still a Focus

Also, think about who you're going to be selling that thing to in 12-24 mos. Vapenation

I’m trying to keep an open mind. All selections are #vapenation approved outside of the 3 ... which seems too expensive without any sort of pricing assistance

Yea, good point.

[D Griff]

Is the power difference that noticeable ? Both seem to be 1.5 baby dick motors with a tiny snail. 180 hp or 200hp seems like same shit different label, I like the base seats a lot, they had no issues for me.

The main selling point is the stereo + LSD which is obviously worth the 2k alone. But meh...200hp or 180 hp still barely enough to have fun in at WOT, the LSD is worth it. The civic sport comes with a 4 speaker shit stereo... which is frankly in 2019 for something costing more than 20k... but now Lane departure/autonomous braking is standard, which is You get that at 22k and change which is

My friend is leasing an SI and he hates it. It handles well but it is a complete snooze fest in terms of “fun” in daily/stop go traffic.

Yeah I drove it back to back with the MK7. The GTI is a rocket ship in comparison power wise but I thought the Civic was more fun - better shifter/clutch, better handling, steering, etc. I also really liked the interior

I just really the Civics, my wants for a Hype R are strong.

[razr390]

My friend is leasing an SI and he hates it. It handles well but it is a complete snooze fest in terms of “fun” in daily/stop go traffic.

Yeah I drove it back to back with the MK7. The GTI is a rocket ship in comparison power wise but I thought the Civic was more fun - better shifter/clutch, better handling, steering, etc. I also really liked the interior

I just really the Civics, my wants for a Hype R are strong.

Yeah, I can imagine the Manuel in the civic is way more engaging and sporty compared to the GTI/R which have super soft almost borderline dead pedal clutches lol.

[D Griff]

Yeah I drove it back to back with the MK7. The GTI is a rocket ship in comparison power wise but I thought the Civic was more fun - better shifter/clutch, better handling, steering, etc. I also really liked the interior

I just really the Civics, my wants for a Hype R are strong.

Yeah, I can imagine the Manuel in the civic is way more engaging and sporty compared to the GTI/R which have super soft almost borderline dead pedal clutches lol.

I still enjoy the manual in a GTI but it’s not Si level. GTI def has a classier interior and exterior but it’s also like 20% more expensive. I dunno, I like both cars, just depends on what you value most.

[max225]

Yeah, I can imagine the Manuel in the civic is way more engaging and sporty compared to the GTI/R which have super soft almost borderline dead pedal clutches lol.

I still enjoy the manual in a GTI but it’s not Si level. GTI def has a classier interior and exterior but it’s also like 20% more expensive. I dunno, I like both cars, just depends on what you value most.

Broken record here but the gti is just too boring, the doesn’t add to the driving experience as the dsg is such an excellent trans.

The wrx/sti feel special, they don’t feel like a run of the mill vehicle.

The rs and hype r take it to another level, they are true drivers cars. If you don’t believe me, take them for a spin after a gti and gti/R you won’t be able to go back... they are wonderful vehicles.

And I’m not tying to rag on the gti/r as I love em as well but they are not as engaging or fun to drive ... that doesn’t make them bad cars ... just depends on what you want /need

[Desertbreh]

Test drove a 2019 dual motor model, exactly what I wanted.

Um dude was super nice, experience was fairly low pressure.

Now to the car ... this was the mid range awd model.

Power was surprisingly underwhelming but certainly I expected more of a eyeballs to the ceiling type acceleration but I think my m3 is certainly faster especially from a roll.... I went 20-70 in full retard mode.

Steering is good, good weight.
You never need to touch the brakes on regular Regen
The entire car inside is glass which is actually quite best visibility out of any vehicle I have driven
Auto pilot is epic, changed lanes by itself and kept me
Dead center ... like that’s fucking nuts. The car just drove it self really well and it’s super easy to use which is wild ... honestly that’s worth 10k above any other vehicle alone
The backup cam is like 1080p Resolution best in the business.

What’s not good.
Not a performance car, it does lean a bit, brakes were a bit odd as well, there is a bit of dead travel for when you do need them
Interior is quite sparse everything has to go through screen which works very intuitively but just has a very iPhone type feel due to lack of any sort of buttons anywhere
Price - no incentive, no free color, $3850 fed going away to $1400 in a week. They are basically “sold out” so waiting is key IMO.

Sticker price is 50k, and yes it’s worth 50, come
At me the tech in this car is unmatched at this price point as is the driving experience, nothing else like it.

if I’ll get one, it’s certainly the most interesting choice but it’s not as fun in some ways, and way more fun in others.

I think this is by far the best car at 50k. Bmws are way slower and way more boring at that price range new.




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Have you considered testing cars for a day job? Excellent material lately.

[max225]

Test drove a 2019 dual motor model, exactly what I wanted.

Um dude was super nice, experience was fairly low pressure.

Now to the car ... this was the mid range awd model.

Power was surprisingly underwhelming but certainly I expected more of a eyeballs to the ceiling type acceleration but I think my m3 is certainly faster especially from a roll.... I went 20-70 in full retard mode.

Steering is good, good weight.
You never need to touch the brakes on regular Regen
The entire car inside is glass which is actually quite best visibility out of any vehicle I have driven
Auto pilot is epic, changed lanes by itself and kept me
Dead center ... like that’s fucking nuts. The car just drove it self really well and it’s super easy to use which is wild ... honestly that’s worth 10k above any other vehicle alone
The backup cam is like 1080p Resolution best in the business.

What’s not good.
Not a performance car, it does lean a bit, brakes were a bit odd as well, there is a bit of dead travel for when you do need them
Interior is quite sparse everything has to go through screen which works very intuitively but just has a very iPhone type feel due to lack of any sort of buttons anywhere
Price - no incentive, no free color, $3850 fed going away to $1400 in a week. They are basically “sold out” so waiting is key IMO.

Sticker price is 50k, and yes it’s worth 50, come
At me the tech in this car is unmatched at this price point as is the driving experience, nothing else like it.

if I’ll get one, it’s certainly the most interesting choice but it’s not as fun in some ways, and way more fun in others.

I think this is by far the best car at 50k. Bmws are way slower and way more boring at that price range new.




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Have you considered testing cars for a day job? Excellent material lately.

Nah I’m I try to be as unbiased as possible for you guys.

I really need to drive an STI

[razr390]

Max Demuro

[troyguitar]

Seems to be that way ... I just wish it made noise ...

What’s your gripe with the rs?

I fucking hate Ford for no real reason.othet than theyre appareny overall lack of product strategy and cranking out shitty things when they do. The Focus just never struck me as being a great car. Seating position is way too high, interior is garbage, drive is ok. I'm sure an RS is way better, but fuck that...it's still a Focus

Also, think about who you're going to be selling that thing to in 12-24 mos. Vapenation

The rental Focus I had this winter had an awesome low seating position and fun chassis for an econobox. I strongly considered getting a new old stock 1.0T model when they were being blown out for like $12k, but took too long to decide.

The interior would never pass the test and neither would the backup camera resolution.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I fucking hate Ford for no real reason.othet than theyre appareny overall lack of product strategy and cranking out shitty things when they do. The Focus just never struck me as being a great car. Seating position is way too high, interior is garbage, drive is ok. I'm sure an RS is way better, but fuck that...it's still a Focus

Also, think about who you're going to be selling that thing to in 12-24 mos. Vapenation

The rental Focus I had this winter had an awesome low seating position and fun chassis for an econobox. I strongly considered getting a new old stock 1.0T model when they were being blown out for like $12k, but took too long to decide.

The interior would never pass the test and neither would the backup camera resolution.

You're also not a giant.

All Ford cars...including the Focus have a driver's seat that seems to stop 1-2" before full bottom. I never have enough headroom in Ford cars...unless that's changed in the last few years.

[troyguitar]

The rental Focus I had this winter had an awesome low seating position and fun chassis for an econobox. I strongly considered getting a new old stock 1.0T model when they were being blown out for like $12k, but took too long to decide.

The interior would never pass the test and neither would the backup camera resolution.

You're also not a giant.

All Ford cars...including the Focus have a driver's seat that seems to stop 1-2" before full bottom. I never have enough headroom in Ford cars...unless that's changed in the last few years.

The rental Focus had a lower seating position than any car I've owned and most that I've sat in. GTI, S4, C5, RX8, MR2, MKZ, Mazda3, etc. were all higher stock. The Focus and the Stinger are the only two cars I can think of that I've sat in which had low enough seating for me without mods. That and the new Alpine A110 but

Maybe a base rental sedan has different seats than whatever you drove?

[Apex]

The FoRS has the best stock seats I've ever sat in, they fit me like a glove. No issue with headroom at 6'.

[D Griff]

Yeah that is the major bummer. The Si is a significant step up, better brakes, seats, turbo, power, etc.... In a hatch it would be a no brainer. I kind of still wish I'd gotten the Si.

Is the power difference that noticeable ? Both seem to be 1.5 baby dick motors with a tiny snail. 180 hp or 200hp seems like same shit different label, I like the base seats a lot, they had no issues for me.

The main selling point is the stereo + LSD which is obviously worth the 2k alone. But meh...200hp or 180 hp still barely enough to have fun in at WOT, the LSD is worth it. The civic sport comes with a 4 speaker shit stereo... which is frankly in 2019 for something costing more than 20k... but now Lane departure/autonomous braking is standard, which is You get that at 22k and change which is

I didn't actually drive the Sport, just sat in it and I found the Si to be way better as far as seats, steering wheel, shifter, interior over all.

The Si actually does have a larger turbro, not just a toon. An LSD alone would be the $2K, so once you add in the interior bits, extra power, bigger brakes, better tires, it's definitely worth it. But again, bummer it's not in hatch form.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

You're also not a giant.

All Ford cars...including the Focus have a driver's seat that seems to stop 1-2" before full bottom. I never have enough headroom in Ford cars...unless that's changed in the last few years.

The rental Focus had a lower seating position than any car I've owned and most that I've sat in. GTI, S4, C5, RX8, MR2, MKZ, Mazda3, etc. were all higher stock. The Focus and the Stinger are the only two cars I can think of that I've sat in which had low enough seating for me without mods. That and the new Alpine A110 but

Maybe a base rental sedan has different seats than whatever you drove?

I haven't driven one in years. Must have improved just in time to kill off the cars. Makes sense.

[D Griff]

You're also not a giant.

All Ford cars...including the Focus have a driver's seat that seems to stop 1-2" before full bottom. I never have enough headroom in Ford cars...unless that's changed in the last few years.

The rental Focus had a lower seating position than any car I've owned and most that I've sat in. GTI, S4, C5, RX8, MR2, MKZ, Mazda3, etc. were all higher stock. The Focus and the Stinger are the only two cars I can think of that I've sat in which had low enough seating for me without mods. That and the new Alpine A110 but

Maybe a base rental sedan has different seats than whatever you drove?

Yeah one of my good friends here has a manual Focus and I think it's actually pretty good ergonomically and kinda fun to drive. I also liked the DCT thing in the Focus, obviously I'm

[D Griff]

The rental Focus had a lower seating position than any car I've owned and most that I've sat in. GTI, S4, C5, RX8, MR2, MKZ, Mazda3, etc. were all higher stock. The Focus and the Stinger are the only two cars I can think of that I've sat in which had low enough seating for me without mods. That and the new Alpine A110 but

Maybe a base rental sedan has different seats than whatever you drove?

I haven't driven one in years. Must have improved just in time to kill off the cars. Makes sense.

To your point though, I never really can get comfortable in 2012 Fusion due to head room/high seat height + sunroof. I have a really long torso though, 6'2" and only 32" inseam.