Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:35 pm
but people still try to talk to you anywaysstripethree wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:29 pmYes. With over the ear don't-fucking-talk-to-me headphones.
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Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:38 pm
Why rely on unwritten "rules" instead of making the actual rules better?[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:13 pmFrequent fliers are great about it. General public is about 50/50.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:04 pm
I have to admit I've never heard this as a "rule" and I'm interested to observe compliance or lack thereof with this on future flights.
To make up some numbers to illustrate the point:
Say that arm rests are 2" wide and seats are 18" wide, making 3 seats + 4 arm rests 62" wide. If each person is allowed to take up the seat and 2 arm rests, that's 22" per person. Put 3 together and you have 66" of people in a 62" space. How does that make sense? The policy itself should give you only the width of the seat (18" in this example, meaning people are guaranteed to have non-zero space between them) - or at least limit you to one arm rest (20" in this example, meaning people will most likely have non-zero space between them).
I suggest the smaller dimension being the rule because, just like with carry-ons, people will push and exceed the limits all of the time. Giving that buffer would make conflicts less likely.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:38 pm
4zilch wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:32 pm[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:21 pm Fwiw I think there is a yugggeee difference depending on the airline. The big three have the most frequent flier and the experience with other travelers shows it. Southwest on some routes and times istoo.
Any airline on a "vacation route" is like the wild west.
I avoid flying during spring break. 0 to
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:44 pm
meh -
usually doesn't make up for their annoying presence - ponytails, seatshirts, and leggings everywhere. It's like the white girl travel uniform.Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:46 pm
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:43 pmReal question, this seems like a non-problem to those of us that travel a lot. What happened that has you sotroyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:38 pm
Why rely on unwritten "rules" instead of making the actual rules better?
To make up some numbers to illustrate the point:
Say that arm rests are 2" wide and seats are 18" wide, making 3 seats + 4 arm rests 62" wide. If each person is allowed to take up the seat and 2 arm rests, that's 22" per person. Put 3 together and you have 66" of people in a 62" space. How does that make sense? The policy itself should give you only the width of the seat (18" in this example, meaning people are guaranteed to have non-zero space between them) - or at least limit you to one arm rest (20" in this example, meaning people will most likely have non-zero space between them).
I suggest the smaller dimension being the rule because, just like with carry-ons, people will push and exceed the limits all of the time. Giving that buffer would make conflicts less likely.
this is a 1 out of 10 occurence.Also by that math, I'm pretty sure I'd need two seats because shoulder width.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:55 pm
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:00 pm
only sits with perfect, symmetrical posture
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:00 pm
I cannot remember being on a flight without being stuck with at least one arm up against me - or having to lean way the fuck over into the window if I'm in that seat.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:43 pmReal question, this seems like a non-problem to those of us that travel a lot. What happened that has you sotroyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:38 pm
Why rely on unwritten "rules" instead of making the actual rules better?
To make up some numbers to illustrate the point:
Say that arm rests are 2" wide and seats are 18" wide, making 3 seats + 4 arm rests 62" wide. If each person is allowed to take up the seat and 2 arm rests, that's 22" per person. Put 3 together and you have 66" of people in a 62" space. How does that make sense? The policy itself should give you only the width of the seat (18" in this example, meaning people are guaranteed to have non-zero space between them) - or at least limit you to one arm rest (20" in this example, meaning people will most likely have non-zero space between them).
I suggest the smaller dimension being the rule because, just like with carry-ons, people will push and exceed the limits all of the time. Giving that buffer would make conflicts less likely.
Three 2018 flights so far:
1: Score, I got the window of a little 2-seat row where the aisle jogs over and legroom is big! Oh wait, the aisle seat is occupied by a YUUUGE dude. Probably 300+ lbs easy, does not fit in any way, shape, form. Even leaning into the window and twisting my torso to be even skinnier, I cannot escape him. He's also taking up a bunch of the aisle making life difficult for the flight attendants. Flight is full, what am I or they supposed to do? No one said anything to anyone, everyone just got to be annoyed for the whole flight.
2: Sweet, got an aisle seat.
couple in the 2 remaining seats, they should be considerate and also comfortable being closer to each other and thus give me space despite being average 'murican sizes, right? Wrong. Fucker has his elbow stuck way the hell into my space while he reads some 
for 90% of the flight. 3: Middle, figures. Stuck between 2 DFD members like a
between 2 
parked in "Compact Car Only" spaces. They need all of the arm rests and are still up against me on both sides. Worse, the fucker on the aisle is manspreading half the fucking time with his knee against mine.Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:10 pm
Dead.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:13 pm
air travel sucks /breadtroyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:00 pmI cannot remember being on a flight without being stuck with at least one arm up against me - or having to lean way the fuck over into the window if I'm in that seat.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:43 pm
Real question, this seems like a non-problem to those of us that travel a lot. What happened that has you so
Three 2018 flights so far:
1: Score, I got the window of a little 2-seat row where the aisle jogs over and legroom is big! Oh wait, the aisle seat is occupied by a YUUUGE dude. Probably 300+ lbs easy, does not fit in any way, shape, form. Even leaning into the window and twisting my torso to be even skinnier, I cannot escape him. He's also taking up a bunch of the aisle making life difficult for the flight attendants. Flight is full, what am I or they supposed to do? No one said anything to anyone, everyone just got to be annoyed for the whole flight.
2: Sweet, got an aisle seat.
3: Middle, figures. Stuck between 2 DFD members like a
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:15 pm
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:08 pm 2 and 3 were just jerks. Size has 0 to do with that.
People aren't going to magically decide to be considerate on their own, the only hope of eliminating shit behavior is to make rules against it. Unwritten "rules" empower assholes to break them with minimal to no consequences. Written rules empower everyone else.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:22 pm
Some people are just assholes Troy, and rules written or unwritten won't stop assholes from being assholes?troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:15 pm[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:08 pm 2 and 3 were just jerks. Size has 0 to do with that.
People aren't going to magically decide to be considerate on their own, the only hope of eliminating shit behavior is to make rules against it. Unwritten "rules" empower assholes to break them with minimal to no consequences. Written rules empower everyone else.
So what should the consequences be for someone invading your armrest? Turn the plane around and toss them off the plane? Ticket or arrest them when they land? Ban them from flying ever again?
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:23 pm
We already have dimensions that passengers are (supposedly) required to fit within, I'm merely suggesting that they be reduced to numbers that actually fit. Allowing 66" of people to fit in a 62" space makes no sense. How is this unreasonable?[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:18 pmI would prefer to be inconvenienced for a few hours by rude co-passengers than to fly in a police state. When you REALLY think about the downstream consequences I suspect you would agree too.troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:15 pm
People aren't going to magically decide to be considerate on their own, the only hope of eliminating shit behavior is to make rules against it. Unwritten "rules" empower assholes to break them with minimal to no consequences. Written rules empower everyone else.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:04 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:00 pmI cannot remember being on a flight without being stuck with at least one arm up against me - or having to lean way the fuck over into the window if I'm in that seat.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:43 pm
Real question, this seems like a non-problem to those of us that travel a lot. What happened that has you so
Three 2018 flights so far:
1: Score, I got the window of a little 2-seat row where the aisle jogs over and legroom is big! Oh wait, the aisle seat is occupied by a YUUUGE dude. Probably 300+ lbs easy, does not fit in any way, shape, form. Even leaning into the window and twisting my torso to be even skinnier, I cannot escape him. He's also taking up a bunch of the aisle making life difficult for the flight attendants. Flight is full, what am I or they supposed to do? No one said anything to anyone, everyone just got to be annoyed for the whole flight.
2: Sweet, got an aisle seat.
3: Middle, figures. Stuck between 2 DFD members like a
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:10 pm
Have you tried, you know, using polite words?troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:15 pm People aren't going to magically decide to be considerate on their own, the only hope of eliminating shit behavior is to make rules against it. Unwritten "rules" empower assholes to break them with minimal to no consequences. Written rules empower everyone else.
Expecting rules for every life situation... ugh. No.
Re: Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:16 pm
Again: These rules already exist. They merely should be trimmed a bit to make sense.stripethree wrote:Have you tried, you know, using polite words?troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:15 pm People aren't going to magically decide to be considerate on their own, the only hope of eliminating shit behavior is to make rules against it. Unwritten "rules" empower assholes to break them with minimal to no consequences. Written rules empower everyone else.
Expecting rules for every life situation... ugh. No.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:18 pm
If they are unwritten, then they don't "exist" for everyone because... people don't know.troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:16 pmAgain: These rules already exist. They merely should be trimmed a bit to make sense.
Re: Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:28 pm
I'm talking about the rules that are already written... Airline policies exist.stripethree wrote:If they are unwritten, then they don't "exist" for everyone because... people don't know.troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:16 pmAgain: These rules already exist. They merely should be trimmed a bit to make sense.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:34 pm
Policies exist on airlines about who gets what armrests?troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:28 pm I'm talking about the rules that are already written... Airline policies exist.
Re: Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:37 pm
They exist regarding how wide you can be... and use the arm rests as a reference.stripethree wrote:Policies exist on airlines about who gets what armrests?troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:28 pm I'm talking about the rules that are already written... Airline policies exist.
Re: Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:56 pm
I'll make sure this fatass buys two seats, and doesn't hog the arm rests.
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Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:11 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:00 pmI cannot remember being on a flight without being stuck with at least one arm up against me - or having to lean way the fuck over into the window if I'm in that seat.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:43 pm
Real question, this seems like a non-problem to those of us that travel a lot. What happened that has you so
Three 2018 flights so far:
1: Score, I got the window of a little 2-seat row where the aisle jogs over and legroom is big! Oh wait, the aisle seat is occupied by a YUUUGE dude. Probably 300+ lbs easy, does not fit in any way, shape, form. Even leaning into the window and twisting my torso to be even skinnier, I cannot escape him. He's also taking up a bunch of the aisle making life difficult for the flight attendants. Flight is full, what am I or they supposed to do? No one said anything to anyone, everyone just got to be annoyed for the whole flight.
2: Sweet, got an aisle seat.
3: Middle, figures. Stuck between 2 DFD members like a
I laughed. Troy your rant on this subject is definitely one of your top 10.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:10 pm
The price of airboats is too damn high.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:35 pm
Nah. Just use one Ray Ray loan.
Should airfare be more expensive?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:34 am
