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Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:15 pm

Zillon wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:02 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:48 pm

I can have ours setup within 20 minutes now, but there's just a lot of little things to do:

Level
Crank up
Pull out bunks (x2)
Deploy bunk supports (x2 x2)
Secure bunk tent bottoms (x2)
Unroll awning
Fight with the 6 poles required to setup awning
Pull door down from ceiling and secure
Fold up galley
Turn on water pump
Turn on propane
Light water heater
Light refrigerator

Vs. something like the Manta:

Level
Pop up ceiling
Unfold awning
Turn on water
Turn on propane
Mine is similar. Level out, connect to electric, connect bottle for cooking, and put awning out.
I wish there was a pop top version of what you have. I REALLY like being able to stand up inside the camper.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:20 pm

Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:48 pm
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I like Taxa's designs. Pop ups are a bit of a pain to set up, these should be a lot easier. Really pop ups aren't that bad, just if its raining or muddy or something it's a chore. Not sure why there aren't more of these lift top campers on the market.
I can have ours setup within 20 minutes now, but there's just a lot of little things to do:

Level
Crank up
Pull out bunks (x2)
Deploy bunk supports (x2 x2)
Secure bunk tent bottoms (x2)
Unroll awning
Fight with the 6 poles required to setup awning
Pull door down from ceiling and secure
Fold up galley
Turn on water pump
Turn on propane
Light water heater
Light refrigerator

Vs. something like the Manta:

Level
Pop up ceiling
Unfold awning
Turn on water
Turn on propane
Yep. 20 mins one person to set up which isn't bad. But being able to roll up and park it and you're done is kind of nice. Especially if you've had a long day of driving or something, or are running late and it's getting dark out.

My tent setup was about the same amount of time maybe a bit longer with me putzing around and there were a few nights it would have been nice to not have to go through that. Because then you still gotta setup the kitchen, prep dinner and cook it, get a fire going, wash everything up. Saving some time on setup would be pretty rad. You already have some advantage over a tent with the kitchen and all being a flip up affair.

I really really like Zillon's setup. That toy hauler camper is pretty great. And near zero setup time.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:31 pm

Johnny_P wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:20 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:48 pm

I can have ours setup within 20 minutes now, but there's just a lot of little things to do:

Level
Crank up
Pull out bunks (x2)
Deploy bunk supports (x2 x2)
Secure bunk tent bottoms (x2)
Unroll awning
Fight with the 6 poles required to setup awning
Pull door down from ceiling and secure
Fold up galley
Turn on water pump
Turn on propane
Light water heater
Light refrigerator

Vs. something like the Manta:

Level
Pop up ceiling
Unfold awning
Turn on water
Turn on propane
Yep. 20 mins one person to set up which isn't bad. But being able to roll up and park it and you're done is kind of nice. Especially if you've had a long day of driving or something, or are running late and it's getting dark out.

My tent setup was about the same amount of time maybe a bit longer with me putzing around and there were a few nights it would have been nice to not have to go through that. Because then you still gotta setup the kitchen, prep dinner and cook it, get a fire going, wash everything up. Saving some time on setup would be pretty rad. You already have some advantage over a tent with the kitchen and all being a flip up affair.

I really really like Zillon's setup. That toy hauler camper is pretty great. And near zero setup time.
Yep, you got it. Especially in the fall when you're certainly going to be arriving in the dark if you leave after work. Setting up in the dark is fine, but when all you want to do is relax, it's not great.

Problem is, I really want something that I can store in the garage. Keeps things nicer AND I don't have to pay rental for storage.

I really want the Mantis. Wife looked it over and loved it too. She suggested we find a dealer to go look at one, but there's no dealers in SE MI.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:31 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:20 pm


Yep. 20 mins one person to set up which isn't bad. But being able to roll up and park it and you're done is kind of nice. Especially if you've had a long day of driving or something, or are running late and it's getting dark out.

My tent setup was about the same amount of time maybe a bit longer with me putzing around and there were a few nights it would have been nice to not have to go through that. Because then you still gotta setup the kitchen, prep dinner and cook it, get a fire going, wash everything up. Saving some time on setup would be pretty rad. You already have some advantage over a tent with the kitchen and all being a flip up affair.

I really really like Zillon's setup. That toy hauler camper is pretty great. And near zero setup time.
Yep, you got it. Especially in the fall when you're certainly going to be arriving in the dark if you leave after work. Setting up in the dark is fine, but when all you want to do is relax, it's not great.

Problem is, I really want something that I can store in the garage. Keeps things nicer AND I don't have to pay rental for storage.

I really want the Mantis. Wife looked it over and loved it too. She suggested we find a dealer to go look at one, but there's no dealers in SE MI.
Could you park it in the garagemahal? My grandfather had a giant garage built for his truck and camper. It wasn't anything fancy and the camper trailer was pretty small in all reality, just needed a taller door.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Johnny_P wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:31 pm

Yep, you got it. Especially in the fall when you're certainly going to be arriving in the dark if you leave after work. Setting up in the dark is fine, but when all you want to do is relax, it's not great.

Problem is, I really want something that I can store in the garage. Keeps things nicer AND I don't have to pay rental for storage.

I really want the Mantis. Wife looked it over and loved it too. She suggested we find a dealer to go look at one, but there's no dealers in SE MI.
Could you park it in the garagemahal? My grandfather had a giant garage built for his truck and camper. It wasn't anything fancy and the camper trailer was pretty small in all reality, just needed a taller door.
I would need much taller doors than I wanted...probably taller than 8 feet. We're sticking with 7 foot doors because the wife was concerned about aesthetics. She's already super pissed about how big it is, and the stupid architect told her it looks better with 7 foot doors, so that's what we got. They're fine for pretty much anything under a full height camper. At least they're cheaper.

But really, I don't want a full height camper. Followed a dude towing a relatively short...maybe 22 feet dual axle full size camper behind his F150 yesterday and the wind was blowing him all around. My popup is impervious to wind due to the low profile. PLUS, I refuse to get a fullsize truck, so I want something that's easily towed behind the Gladiator, which caps the weight I'm comfortable with around 4k lbs dry. Ease of towing is important to me, and lower profile is huge for that I think.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:10 pm

Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:06 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm


Could you park it in the garagemahal? My grandfather had a giant garage built for his truck and camper. It wasn't anything fancy and the camper trailer was pretty small in all reality, just needed a taller door.
I would need much taller doors than I wanted...probably taller than 8 feet. We're sticking with 7 foot doors because the wife was concerned about aesthetics. She's already super pissed about how big it is, and the stupid architect told her it looks better with 7 foot doors, so that's what we got. They're fine for pretty much anything under a full height camper. At least they're cheaper.

But really, I don't want a full height camper. Followed a dude towing a relatively short...maybe 22 feet dual axle full size camper behind his F150 yesterday and the wind was blowing him all around. My popup is impervious to wind due to the low profile. PLUS, I refuse to get a fullsize truck, so I want something that's easily towed behind the Gladiator, which caps the weight I'm comfortable with around 4k lbs dry. Ease of towing is important to me, and lower profile is huge for that I think.
Ah, yeah. Good points all around. I have never tried towing a full height 22' camper nor do I want to. Kinda still want the van thing.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:35 pm

Johnny_P wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:10 pm
Detroit wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:06 pm

I would need much taller doors than I wanted...probably taller than 8 feet. We're sticking with 7 foot doors because the wife was concerned about aesthetics. She's already super pissed about how big it is, and the stupid architect told her it looks better with 7 foot doors, so that's what we got. They're fine for pretty much anything under a full height camper. At least they're cheaper.

But really, I don't want a full height camper. Followed a dude towing a relatively short...maybe 22 feet dual axle full size camper behind his F150 yesterday and the wind was blowing him all around. My popup is impervious to wind due to the low profile. PLUS, I refuse to get a fullsize truck, so I want something that's easily towed behind the Gladiator, which caps the weight I'm comfortable with around 4k lbs dry. Ease of towing is important to me, and lower profile is huge for that I think.
Ah, yeah. Good points all around. I have never tried towing a full height 22' camper nor do I want to. Kinda still want the van thing.
I've thought a lot about a van thing too, but we leave camp too much in the truck to make that work I think. I'd hate to setup and break down camp every time we wanted to go somewhere, even something as simple as a quick 10 minute firewood run.
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:23 pm

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Ah, yeah. Good points all around. I have never tried towing a full height 22' camper nor do I want to. Kinda still want the van thing.
I've thought a lot about a van thing too, but we leave camp too much in the truck to make that work I think. I'd hate to setup and break down camp every time we wanted to go somewhere, even something as simple as a quick 10 minute firewood run.
Been catching up on ze camping threads :fuckyeah:

I totally agree on this sentiment though, having a separate vehicle/camping space is really useful. I think the cheap pop up is actually pretty ideal. Easy to tow, cheap, cheap to own/maintain, can take it pretty much anywhere, still offers some nice creature comforts over a tent, you can stand up in it...

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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm

https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/n ... -CH1622589

Anyone have first hand experience with Taxa? There's no dealers around me, and this is intriguing me more than it should. I've read some not so great things about Taxa build quality and warranty support in forums, but most of the feedback seems to come from earlier builds.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:34 pm

Detroit wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm
https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/n ... -CH1622589

Anyone have first hand experience with Taxa? There's no dealers around me, and this is intriguing me more than it should. I've read some not so great things about Taxa build quality and warranty support in forums, but most of the feedback seems to come from earlier builds.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:46 am

Detroit wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm
https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/n ... -CH1622589

Anyone have first hand experience with Taxa? There's no dealers around me, and this is intriguing me more than it should. I've read some not so great things about Taxa build quality and warranty support in forums, but most of the feedback seems to come from earlier builds.
I’ve never seen one up close and in person - they’re interesting (and :waxer: ) though.

As a tall dude, your options are limited if you want to stand inside whatever rig you have.
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Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:46 am
Detroit wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm
https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/n ... -CH1622589

Anyone have first hand experience with Taxa? There's no dealers around me, and this is intriguing me more than it should. I've read some not so great things about Taxa build quality and warranty support in forums, but most of the feedback seems to come from earlier builds.
I’ve never seen one up close and in person - they’re interesting (and :waxer: ) though.

As a tall dude, your options are limited if you want to stand inside whatever rig you have.
Yea...I have a really hard time justifying the cost, but at $20k off, it's a bit more intriguing. Apparently, the tallest point of the Mantis when popped up is 8'...which would be awesome and very unique. Problem is, there's no way for me to check one out since there's none around me. Driving 9 hours to Chattanooga for a camper I've never even seen before is sketchy.

The pop up still does everything I want, I just wish it was faster to setup. Probably not worth 10x the cost, really.
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Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:49 am
Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:46 am


I’ve never seen one up close and in person - they’re interesting (and :waxer: ) though.

As a tall dude, your options are limited if you want to stand inside whatever rig you have.
Yea...I have a really hard time justifying the cost, but at $20k off, it's a bit more intriguing. Apparently, the tallest point of the Mantis when popped up is 8'...which would be awesome and very unique. Problem is, there's no way for me to check one out since there's none around me. Driving 9 hours to Chattanooga for a camper I've never even seen before is sketchy.

The pop up still does everything I want, I just wish it was faster to setup. Probably not worth 10x the cost, really.
I can almost guarantee that it's not. for that kind of money and actual rv is what you are looking for.
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Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:49 am
Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:46 am


I’ve never seen one up close and in person - they’re interesting (and :waxer: ) though.

As a tall dude, your options are limited if you want to stand inside whatever rig you have.
Yea...I have a really hard time justifying the cost, but at $20k off, it's a bit more intriguing. Apparently, the tallest point of the Mantis when popped up is 8'...which would be awesome and very unique. Problem is, there's no way for me to check one out since there's none around me. Driving 9 hours to Chattanooga for a camper I've never even seen before is sketchy.

The pop up still does everything I want, I just wish it was faster to setup. Probably not worth 10x the cost, really.
The mantis is very cool and has an interesting design. I watched several vids and interviews on it. The designer was a NASA engineer/designer. There is tons of cubbys and small storage with lots of technical details. While cool, the overall just doesn't work for me. I especially dont like the crapper next to the kitchen sink. This is earth, not space.

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I just feel there are better, more comfortable, camping devices for less than $20k. Something like zill has WITH a pop top is the best of lightweight camping trailer.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:34 pm

golftdibrad wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:59 am
Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:49 am

Yea...I have a really hard time justifying the cost, but at $20k off, it's a bit more intriguing. Apparently, the tallest point of the Mantis when popped up is 8'...which would be awesome and very unique. Problem is, there's no way for me to check one out since there's none around me. Driving 9 hours to Chattanooga for a camper I've never even seen before is sketchy.

The pop up still does everything I want, I just wish it was faster to setup. Probably not worth 10x the cost, really.
I can almost guarantee that it's not. for that kind of money and actual rv is what you are looking for.
I just don't want an actual RV. I want something that I can park in my garage so I don't have to deal with storage costs AND I like that things stay nicer when indoors.

The pop up is perfect, I just wish it was faster/simpler to setup. Storage, while ample, is a bit of a PITA to get access to as well.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:38 pm

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Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:49 am

Yea...I have a really hard time justifying the cost, but at $20k off, it's a bit more intriguing. Apparently, the tallest point of the Mantis when popped up is 8'...which would be awesome and very unique. Problem is, there's no way for me to check one out since there's none around me. Driving 9 hours to Chattanooga for a camper I've never even seen before is sketchy.

The pop up still does everything I want, I just wish it was faster to setup. Probably not worth 10x the cost, really.
The mantis is very cool and has an interesting design. I watched several vids and interviews on it. The designer was a NASA engineer/designer. There is tons of cubbys and small storage with lots of technical details. While cool, the overall just doesn't work for me. I especially dont like the crapper next to the kitchen sink. This is earth, not space.

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I just feel there are better, more comfortable, camping devices for less than $20k. Something like zill has WITH a pop top is the best of lightweight camping trailer.
Yea, I've been following the Mantis since it was introduced. I like everything about it...even the crapper. It's tough to put it somewhere logical in such a small space. Ban #2 in it and just use it for #1, and it's ok.

That said, our popup doesn't have a crapper and it hasn't been an issue since nature is your toilet. Unless you get in a somewhat cramped campground, then it would be nice to have something inside.

There's absolutely better campers for under $20k...they're just too big. I don't want something massive that's a PITA to store and tow. The Mantis is exactly what I want...it's just so damned pricey.
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Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:34 pm
golftdibrad wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:59 am


I can almost guarantee that it's not. for that kind of money and actual rv is what you are looking for.
I just don't want an actual RV. I want something that I can park in my garage so I don't have to deal with storage costs AND I like that things stay nicer when indoors.

The pop up is perfect, I just wish it was faster/simpler to setup. Storage, while ample, is a bit of a PITA to get access to as well.
they do make small rv's that would fit in your garage that are popup size, you just have to get the check book out. that thing you posted is a shitty half measure. I just don't know what you are getting at.

why not a fixed sides pop-up? that seems simple, just press a button and will still tow well.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm

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Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:34 pm

I just don't want an actual RV. I want something that I can park in my garage so I don't have to deal with storage costs AND I like that things stay nicer when indoors.

The pop up is perfect, I just wish it was faster/simpler to setup. Storage, while ample, is a bit of a PITA to get access to as well.
they do make small rv's that would fit in your garage that are popup size, you just have to get the check book out. that thing you posted is a shitty half measure. I just don't know what you are getting at.

why not a fixed sides pop-up? that seems simple, just press a button and will still tow well.
Fixed side popups seem pretty rare...I can't find any but also haven't looked that hard.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:53 pm

Detroit wrote:
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they do make small rv's that would fit in your garage that are popup size, you just have to get the check book out. that thing you posted is a shitty half measure. I just don't know what you are getting at.

why not a fixed sides pop-up? that seems simple, just press a button and will still tow well.
Fixed side popups seem pretty rare...I can't find any but also haven't looked that hard.
They're also typically 2-wheeled things that are bigger.

I'd like to think there's a market for pop-top campers, rather than total pop-ups.
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Zillon wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:53 pm
Detroit wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm

Fixed side popups seem pretty rare...I can't find any but also haven't looked that hard.
They're also typically 2-wheeled things that are bigger.

I'd like to think there's a market for pop-top campers, rather than total pop-ups.
I think there is. Pop ups are just a lot of effort to setup. A pop top could give you almost all the benefits of a popup, but with quicker setup. The Mantis appears to be the only real pop top on the market, but it's priced so ridiculously that the volume is probably miniscule.

You can buy a hardside under 20' travel trailer for under $15k brand new. I don't see why a lower roof pop-top couldn't be done for under $20k.

I will say that the efficiency of space in a popup is incredible. Having the sleeping areas extend out leaves a ton of usable living space. I really like that about ours...but it also adds significantly to the setup time.

I wish I had the resources to start making my own campers...
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