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troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:26 pm My neck and back still start hurting after an hour or so, but I think I've gotten back to my old strength peak by now if not a little past it. Today I did the same "easy" 30 mile route ending with the stupid hard climb in the neighborhood and did it just 0.1 mph faster than my fastest time from the summer but did it with a good amount less effort and more energy left at the end by far. It'll be interesting to get back on the trainer sometime soon and do the FTP test again. Just going by how I feel compared to last time, I'm hopefully back in the 230-250 watt range.

The big climb in the neighborhood was actually quite possible in the 39/34 gear, I didn't even need to drop to the 30T front, and in the rest of the ride I never left the 50T ring for probably the first time ever.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:24 pm Other Local Clubs

Mission In Motion Cycling Team

Ruud Racing Team

Binghamton Mountain Bike Group

Tioga Velo Club


New York Bicycling Coalition


Niagara Freewheelers Bicycle Touring Club Inc.

Finger Lakes Cycling Club

Lehigh Wheelmen Association

Onondaga Cycling Club





Triple Cities Hiking Club

Triple Cities Ski Club

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:13 pm

D Griff wrote:


You are a kept man.

And you have a fucking dog.

What does either of those things have to do with the fact that I still can't ride for over an hour without hurting all fucking day?

Have I not put enough fucking WORK into learning how to ride a motherfucking bicycle? What have you done that I have not?

[user not found] wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:10 pm Which clubs did you fuckers start? I'm sick of everything being more work for me than it is for DFD. I will ride by myself in the fucking cold and sit alone on the couch at the end because that's what I deserve for not being as good as you guys.

I’ve organized small local groups of riders - the fast fifty club was the last one, when I lived in Yardley.

It was 4-5 of us that just wanted to ride hard, ride fast, and beat the everloving piss out of each other for 50 miles after work on Wednesdays.

I miss those rides.

If you choose to do nothing about finding people to ride with, then yes, riding alone is what you deserve. But that’s your choice.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:18 pm

[user not found] wrote:
I’ve organized small local groups of riders - the fast fifty club was the last one, when I lived in Yardley.

It was 4-5 of us that just wanted to ride hard, ride fast, and beat the everloving piss out of each other for 50 miles after work on Wednesdays.

I miss those rides.

If you choose to do nothing about finding people to ride with, then yes, riding alone is what you deserve. But that’s your choice.

You started that when you had never even seen a group ride, had exactly zero friends who ride, and could only ride for an hour?

Seems like most people learn a thing before they lead it.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:24 pm Other Local Clubs

Mission In Motion Cycling Team

Ruud Racing Team

Binghamton Mountain Bike Group

Tioga Velo Club


New York Bicycling Coalition


Niagara Freewheelers Bicycle Touring Club Inc.

Finger Lakes Cycling Club

Lehigh Wheelmen Association

Onondaga Cycling Club





Triple Cities Hiking Club

Triple Cities Ski Club

wap wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:55 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:24 pm Other Local Clubs

Mission In Motion Cycling Team

Ruud Racing Team

Binghamton Mountain Bike Group

Tioga Velo Club


New York Bicycling Coalition


Niagara Freewheelers Bicycle Touring Club Inc.

Finger Lakes Cycling Club

Lehigh Wheelmen Association

Onondaga Cycling Club





Triple Cities Hiking Club

Triple Cities Ski Club

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:54 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:52 pm

Not really, unless a 2-6 hour round trip driving to the start/finish location is considered acceptable to you... plus of the ones on that list I have already investigated, all rides for 2020 were cancelled or they only run from May/June through September/October. You're supposed to be hibernating for the rest of the year.

I’ve been driving an hour and a half to ride on Saturdays with a small group for the last 2-3 months.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:18 pm

[user not found] wrote:
I’ve organized small local groups of riders - the fast fifty club was the last one, when I lived in Yardley.

It was 4-5 of us that just wanted to ride hard, ride fast, and beat the everloving piss out of each other for 50 miles after work on Wednesdays.

I miss those rides.

If you choose to do nothing about finding people to ride with, then yes, riding alone is what you deserve. But that’s your choice.

You started that when you had never even seen a group ride, had exactly zero friends who ride, and could only ride for an hour?

Seems like most people learn a thing before they lead it.

[user not found] wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm You ride for 8 fucking hours and are NFG about hanging out at COVID breweries and shit.

I'm not driving 2+ hours to ride for one hour, which would be only 30 minutes with the group and then turning around and riding alone back to my car...

Nope. I’m not hanging out at breweries. I’ve eaten out twice since Covid became the new norm, and both times were outside, and extremely distanced from others.

The actual sketchiest thing I’ve done since the beginning of the pandemic was buying the Tacoma in a dealership were nearly nobody was wearing a mask. Yay rural PA.

Also, stop being such a darkcloud.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:24 am Yeah man I should be so happy that I work so fucking hard and still cannot ride a motherfucking bicycle. THIS IS SO COOL!

You guys never answered:

How many years or thousands of miles did it take any of you to be able to ride for 2 hours without hurting yourself?

Why the FUCK should I be happy to be like this?

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:22 am @troy there are a lot of people that feel like you do re: group rides. Lots of people want to go on them, few want to start or organize them. Our little Pioneers group... we put on a few group rides last year and the turn out was mind blowing. We only listed it on facebook, but each ride had over 50 people. 50 gets ridiculous if the route is hard to remember. One good thing about keeping the exact same route each week is after a few rides, the regulars know it, and can help lead it.

If there's a local facebook group, you could just use that. Or post a public event on facebook for a "C" ride (I'm assuming you're around 15-16 MPH average?), give a small explanation of average speed and distance (people seem pretty happy with 25-40 miles after work), maybe the route with Strava or RideWithGPS, and see who shows up. I bet after a week you get a few people to trickle in.

The only effort you'll have to put in is showing up each week, determining the route, and writing the facebook event post.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:54 am

People have been advising you to seek an opinion or opinions from a physician or physicians who deal with sports injuries for months, but from what I've seen you have yet to do that. We're going in circles at this point.

It sucks that you can't ride for two hours without pain. It does. What you're dealing with is not normal, but until you get your nerve issues figured out, no amount of complaining to the fine folks of DFD or anyone else is going to fix it.

This.

Find a qualified sports doc. I’ve never had debilitating chronic pain issues from riding like you describe.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:21 am I finally picked up some Local Legend statuses on Strava this morning

why but it annoyed me that I didn't have any

I tend to mix up my routes rather than doing the same every time, so that is likely part of it.

coogles wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:24 am Yeah man I should be so happy that I work so fucking hard and still cannot ride a motherfucking bicycle. THIS IS SO COOL!

You guys never answered:

How many years or thousands of miles did it take any of you to be able to ride for 2 hours without hurting yourself?

Why the FUCK should I be happy to be like this?

People have been advising you to seek an opinion or opinions from a physician or physicians who deal with sports injuries for months, but from what I've seen you have yet to do that. We're going in circles at this point.

It sucks that you can't ride for two hours without pain. It does. What you're dealing with is not normal, but until you get your nerve issues figured out, no amount of complaining to the fine folks of DFD or anyone else is going to fix it.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:54 pm

coogles wrote:
People have been advising you to seek an opinion or opinions from a physician or physicians who deal with sports injuries for months, but from what I've seen you have yet to do that. We're going in circles at this point.

It sucks that you can't ride for two hours without pain. It does. What you're dealing with is not normal, but until you get your nerve issues figured out, no amount of complaining to the fine folks of DFD or anyone else is going to fix it.

I've been to 3 doctors.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:54 pm I've been to 3 doctors.

D Griff wrote:

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:54 pm I've been to 3 doctors.

What did they say/do/advise?

Has the yoga and stuff been helping make the pain less?

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:44 pm

D Griff wrote:


What did they say/do/advise?

Has the yoga and stuff been helping make the pain less?

The neck pain (started from hockey) is almost a non-issue at this point if I do enough stretching.

The shoulder tension causing ulnar nerve issues seems to persist no matter what I do. Any ride over an hour triggers lingering numbness for several days. It doesn't matter if it's at 10 mph with the handlebars all the way up or 20 mph with them all the way down.

The 3rd doctor, after charging $400 for a 5 minute conversion, said to try physical therapy 3x/week for ~6 weeks. I'm reluctant to go do that so far since it's basically going to the gym and touching people - while in our area we are presently seeing the worst COVID numbers yet with no signs of a slowdown.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:44 pm

D Griff wrote:


What did they say/do/advise?

Has the yoga and stuff been helping make the pain less?

The neck pain (started from hockey) is almost a non-issue at this point if I do enough stretching.

The shoulder tension causing ulnar nerve issues seems to persist no matter what I do. Any ride over an hour triggers lingering numbness for several days. It doesn't matter if it's at 10 mph with the handlebars all the way up or 20 mph with them all the way down.

The 3rd doctor, after charging $400 for a 5 minute conversion, said to try physical therapy 3x/week for ~6 weeks. I'm reluctant to go do that so far since it's basically going to the gym and touching people - while in our area we are presently seeing the worst COVID numbers yet with no signs of a slowdown.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:57 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:44 pm

The neck pain (started from hockey) is almost a non-issue at this point if I do enough stretching.

The shoulder tension causing ulnar nerve issues seems to persist no matter what I do. Any ride over an hour triggers lingering numbness for several days. It doesn't matter if it's at 10 mph with the handlebars all the way up or 20 mph with them all the way down.

The 3rd doctor, after charging $400 for a 5 minute conversion, said to try physical therapy 3x/week for ~6 weeks. I'm reluctant to go do that so far since it's basically going to the gym and touching people - while in our area we are presently seeing the worst COVID numbers yet with no signs of a slowdown.

There is a HUGE BODY of PT available online.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:57 pm

There is a HUGE BODY of PT available online.

Yeah my sister-in-law is a PT and has been giving me stuff to try. That's pretty much "fixed" the old hockey neck problem (which hurts like hell but is really just a simple muscle cramp) but it seems like a real physical exam might be needed to figure out the nerve shit. I'm sure it doesn't help that I'm already one of the highest stress people on the planet.